. But, I haven't seen a huge difference yet beside much better play from out the back./thread
No cause DDG was making mistakes that significantly cost us games when it counted.
That is the point. He needed tp be replaced but we completely blew it. Same as we did with Smalling and Maguire
That happens to most keepers though. With DDG you could always expect he'd pull off a world class save, even in games he wasn't playing well. It was probably the time for him to go but the amount of mistakes he made is definitely overstated. People had completely stopped seeing the positive side to his game. In what is described as his worst season, he did win the golden glove. Yes, it's a team effort but if he really was such calamity it never could have happened.
Not everyone likes to sell their soul.
This is the issue, neither Harry nor Onana were the answer to our problems.
Whether or not Onana is the answer, letting DDG go was the correct decision. Would you rather be stuck with him for another 4-5 years on a 200k/week contract?
Onana is not underperforming xG which means hes not conceding goals he should not be.De Gea wins golden glove; it is because of good defence. Onana leaks goals, it is because of shit defence. But at the same time De Gea is awful in defence organisation while Onana is world class in that.
Make up your mind people.
Onana is miles better than De Gea and it absolutely was the right time to make the change. We actually left the change 3 years too late.
I have a bridge to sell you if you genuinely believe that golden glove last year was down to De Gea's defence organisation. Utterly laughable. We had one of the deepest lines in the entire league last season. That is the primary reason we conceded amongst the fewest goals. And even with that deep line we still suffered some absolute hammerings. We are not playing anywhere near how we played last year and the results clearly bear that message out. Our lines are much higher than last year which is why we are far more vulnerable to counters than last year.De Gea wins golden glove; it is because of good defence. Onana leaks goals, it is because of shit defence. But at the same time De Gea is awful in defence organisation while Onana is world class in that.
Make up your mind people.
In 2016 he did yes. Last season? Not so much. He was average at stopping stopping shots and also made big errors leading to goals.
I wish people would stop propagating this myth. DDG hasn't been a good shot stopper for a very long time. Weirdly, last season he kind of looked to be getting back to his best, with a handful of really world class saves. But all that did was mask the underlying trend and fool us into thinking he was still a great shot stopper when he is no longer anything of the sort..
| Rk | Player | Nation | Pos | Squad | Age | Born | 90s | GA | PKA | FK | CK | OG | PSxG | PSxG/SoT | PSxG+/- ▼ | /90 | Cmp | Att | Cmp% | Att | Thr | Launch% | AvgLen | Att | Launch% | AvgLen | Opp | Stp | Stp% | #OPA | #OPA/90 | AvgDist | Matches |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Goals | Expected | Launched | Passes | Goal Kicks | Crosses | Sweeper | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 1 | Alisson | br BRA | GK | Liverpool | 29 | 1992 | 37.0 | 1.16 | 0.05 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.05 | 1.38 | 0.33 | 0.27 | +0.27 | 3.14 | 7.65 | 41.0 | 33.9 | 5.68 | 18.4 | 26.9 | 5.22 | 26.9 | 31.3 | 10.7 | 0.62 | 5.8 | 2.41 | 2.41 | 19.8 | Matches |
| 2 | Bernd Leno | de GER | GK | Fulham | 30 | 1992 | 36.0 | 1.42 | 0.19 | 0.03 | 0.22 | 0.06 | 1.61 | 0.27 | 0.25 | +0.25 | 3.44 | 10.9 | 31.7 | 32.0 | 5.28 | 26.0 | 30.0 | 6.72 | 37.6 | 36.0 | 12.9 | 0.97 | 7.5 | 1.28 | 1.28 | 15.0 | Matches |
| 3 | Kepa Arrizabalaga | es ESP | GK | Chelsea | 27 | 1994 | 28.5 | 1.16 | 0.04 | 0.04 | 0.14 | 0.11 | 1.23 | 0.29 | 0.18 | +0.18 | 2.39 | 7.47 | 31.9 | 30.3 | 5.30 | 17.1 | 26.3 | 6.39 | 35.7 | 31.5 | 11.6 | 0.53 | 4.5 | 1.82 | 1.82 | 16.9 | Matches |
| 4 | David Raya | es ESP | GK | Brentford | 26 | 1995 | 38.0 | 1.21 | 0.05 | 0.00 | 0.24 | 0.08 | 1.26 | 0.24 | 0.13 | +0.13 | 9.13 | 23.2 | 39.3 | 36.0 | 4.21 | 50.7 | 39.5 | 7.08 | 70.3 | 51.8 | 15.7 | 1.37 | 8.7 | 1.42 | 1.42 | 15.8 | Matches |
| 5 | Stefan Ortega | de GER | GK | Manchester City | 29 | 1992 | 3.0 | 0.33 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 1.37 | 0.27 | 1.03 | +1.02 | 3.67 | 8.00 | 45.8 | 51.7 | 5.33 | 14.8 | 23.9 | 4.00 | 8.3 | 20.3 | 8.67 | 0.33 | 3.8 | 2.33 | 2.33 | 21.1 | Matches |
| 6 | Jordan Pickford | eng ENG | GK | Everton | 28 | 1994 | 37.0 | 1.54 | 0.14 | 0.05 | 0.11 | 0.00 | 1.62 | 0.31 | 0.08 | +0.08 | 7.30 | 21.6 | 33.7 | 26.8 | 4.08 | 58.1 | 43.0 | 8.51 | 71.4 | 52.7 | 15.3 | 0.59 | 3.9 | 1.41 | 1.41 | 16.2 | Matches |
| 7 | Emiliano Martínez | ar ARG | GK | Aston Villa | 29 | 1992 | 34.9 | 1.09 | 0.11 | 0.03 | 0.17 | 0.11 | 1.05 | 0.24 | 0.07 | +0.07 | 5.70 | 15.0 | 38.0 | 33.6 | 3.87 | 35.5 | 33.0 | 6.07 | 50.5 | 40.7 | 13.8 | 1.72 | 12.4 | 2.09 | 2.09 | 16.6 | Matches |
| 8 | Martin Dúbravka | sk SVK | GK | Newcastle Utd | 33 | 1989 | 1.7 | 0.59 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.59 | 1.12 | 0.21 | 1.12 | +1.07 | 3.53 | 5.88 | 60.0 | 22.9 | 8.24 | 10.3 | 20.7 | 8.82 | 40.0 | 35.3 | 17.6 | 0.59 | 3.3 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 12.4 | Matches |
| 9 | Neto | br BRA | GK | Bournemouth | 33 | 1989 | 26.5 | 1.47 | 0.15 | 0.00 | 0.30 | 0.04 | 1.50 | 0.26 | 0.06 | +0.06 | 6.04 | 16.5 | 36.6 | 22.7 | 5.13 | 47.4 | 37.8 | 8.72 | 65.8 | 44.6 | 19.2 | 1.32 | 6.9 | 0.94 | 0.94 | 12.1 | Matches |
| 10 | Sam Johnstone | eng ENG | GK | Crystal Palace | 29 | 1993 | 9.0 | 1.11 | 0.22 | 0.00 | 0.44 | 0.11 | 1.11 | 0.24 | 0.11 | +0.11 | 3.33 | 11.0 | 30.3 | 25.9 | 4.56 | 31.8 | 31.8 | 5.11 | 54.3 | 42.8 | 11.6 | 0.22 | 1.9 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 15.4 | Matches |
| 11 | Daniel Bentley | eng ENG | GK | Wolves | 29 | 1993 | 2.0 | 1.50 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 1.95 | 0.30 | 0.45 | +0.44 | 5.00 | 14.5 | 34.5 | 28.5 | 7.00 | 38.6 | 32.9 | 11.5 | 30.4 | 32.2 | 18.5 | 2.50 | 13.5 | 0.50 | 0.50 | 8.3 | Matches |
| 12 | Asmir Begović | ba BIH | GK | Everton | 35 | 1987 | 1.0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.50 | 0.12 | 0.50 | +0.49 | 4.00 | 13.0 | 30.8 | 22.0 | 5.00 | 36.4 | 34.9 | 8.00 | 62.5 | 46.8 | 23.0 | 1.00 | 4.3 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 5.0 | Matches |
| 13 | Vicente Guaita | es ESP | GK | Crystal Palace | 35 | 1987 | 27.0 | 1.26 | 0.07 | 0.00 | 0.15 | 0.07 | 1.20 | 0.26 | 0.01 | +0.01 | 4.26 | 11.9 | 35.9 | 23.5 | 5.19 | 34.5 | 32.3 | 7.63 | 49.0 | 37.4 | 15.2 | 0.96 | 6.3 | 0.96 | 0.96 | 13.1 | Matches |
| 14 | Alphonse Areola | fr FRA | GK | West Ham | 29 | 1993 | 3.4 | 2.06 | 0.59 | 0.00 | 0.29 | 0.00 | 2.15 | 0.33 | 0.09 | +0.09 | 4.12 | 10.9 | 37.8 | 17.9 | 4.12 | 39.3 | 33.4 | 8.82 | 43.3 | 33.0 | 13.8 | 0.59 | 4.3 | 0.29 | 0.29 | 10.3 | Matches |
| 15 | Nick Pope | eng ENG | GK | Newcastle Utd | 30 | 1992 | 36.2 | 0.88 | 0.06 | 0.00 | 0.22 | 0.03 | 0.86 | 0.24 | 0.01 | +0.01 | 3.31 | 10.2 | 32.6 | 18.9 | 6.41 | 33.1 | 33.0 | 5.72 | 68.6 | 50.7 | 11.4 | 0.94 | 8.3 | 2.04 | 2.04 | 18.2 | Matches |
| 16 | Marek Rodák | sk SVK | GK | Fulham | 25 | 1996 | 2.0 | 1.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 1.00 | 0.51 | 0.00 | +0.01 | 8.00 | 23.5 | 34.0 | 23.0 | 1.50 | 73.9 | 46.0 | 7.50 | 86.7 | 60.0 | 13.0 | 0.50 | 3.8 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 14.0 | Matches |
| 17 | Joel Robles | es ESP | GK | Leeds United | 32 | 1990 | 4.0 | 2.75 | 0.50 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 2.63 | 0.32 | -0.13 | -0.12 | 4.50 | 17.8 | 25.4 | 22.5 | 5.00 | 52.2 | 41.1 | 8.00 | 75.0 | 49.4 | 10.8 | 0.50 | 4.7 | 0.75 | 0.75 | 11.6 | Matches |
| 18 | David de Gea | es ESP | GK | Manchester Utd | 31 | 1990 | 38.0 | 1.13 | 0.05 | 0.05 | 0.16 | 0.03 | 1.09 | 0.27 | -0.02 | -0.02 | 3.71 | 11.8 | 31.4 | 27.2 | 3.37 | 32.6 | 32.3 | 4.71 | 63.1 |
So, we are playing worse football this year but it is also an argument against De Gea?
The DDG of the last 4/5 years was routinely letting in goals he should've saved. I love the guy but even his shot stopping had gone down the toilet the last few seasons.
Every measurable statistic shows he was a below average shot stopper at United for at least the past 2 seasons.
3 out of 4 of our main defence is injuredDe Gea wins golden glove; it is because of good defence. Onana leaks goals, it is because of shit defence. But at the same time De Gea is awful in defence organisation while Onana is world class in that.
Make up your mind people.
He was that bad last season and we finished 3rd and imo should have got 2nd.. won 43 games I think with him in goal has had two or 3 player of the season at Utd .. and maybe he's not at his best threw one in v West Ham and a few other cock ups . But he's kept us in games where we could have been out of them.. it remains to be seen if Onana can do that if we're under the cosh. And the way it's going with the CM and CB this guy is going to have to save more .... Roll out more stats won't change my mind on DDG and Onana until the guys proven himself. ..10 goals in 5 games he's left in ,him and the defence. There's a Stat .
Maybe but was Onana?? Looks a bad buy at present.. hope he gets better for everyone's sake.
10 goals in 5 games ?? Hope your right that he's better
So you are telling me that it was not DDG that was stopping us from playing high defensive line last year?
Yes but it wasn’t him organising the defence that made it so great as the previous poster was alluding to.
He was an elite shot stopper and that tailed off last few seasons so not sure why anyone would pay decent wages for him. Basically a good (ish) keeper who used to be great.
Presumably he is simply waiting for a better offer than the ones he's had.
That's on the midfield. Onana has been the only bright spot so far. We're like a sinking ship, we plug one hole and another appears.
But even then Onana was considerably worse on that statistic so if that's the metric we have regressed n shot stopping no?
Remember DeGea's first season he could not save a shot from more than 10 yards out.... the defence and midfield need time to adjust to the GK and vice versa, I cannot say that Onana has let in any howlers, there are maybe a couple where he could have maybe done better but he has been left exposed a lot, players free to shoot un-challenged from the edge of the area not making his life easy
More to do with injuries to Varane, Malacia, Shaw, mount, now Wan Bissaka, Martinez and Lindelof vs Arsenal, distractions all around the club, etc ...
When you're on £375k per-week for years, the urgency to play immediately probably won't be as strong, particularly when most clubs would offer a 70% pay cut. Financially, he's beyond set for life and can take a year off in the Balaerics before reassessing his next move.
Its also illustrative that not a single top club has shown any interest.
Exactly. Like so many other players we vastly overpay.
