David de Gea has left Manchester United

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I miss the days when de gea would singlehandedly win us games after games. So underappreciated. You really can't ask for more from a goalkeeper...of course he also cost us some wins as well:wenger:. But, I haven't seen a huge difference yet beside much better play from out the back.
 

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You may disagree with the replacement but getting rid of him was the right decision.
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Competent keepers are a dime a dozen. We can debate all day about who the right replacement should've been, but DDG's time here was up.
 

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Letting go of De Gea was a good decision that should have happened at least a couple of seasons ago. Onana will be fine and even if he isn’t it wasn’t the wrong decision.
 

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Why is this being bumped today? Onana actually kept the score respectable with some pretty good saves. De Gea managed to lose us games all by himself at times.
 

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I still find it bizarre that he is without a club.

What is he waiting for?

He must have had an offer from Saudi Arabia at least?
 

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He needed to be replaced but people had forgotten or taken for granted just how special a shot stopper he was and could still be. He wasn't a normal keeper and you see that in some of the reactions to Onana who is probably an average to above average shot stopper over the course of a season, he isn't DDG though and should not be expected to be.
 

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De Gea managed to lose us games all by himself at times.
That happens to most keepers though. With DDG you could always expect he'd pull off a world class save, even in games he wasn't playing well. It was probably the time for him to go but the amount of mistakes he made is definitely overstated. People had completely stopped seeing the positive side to his game. In what is described as his worst season, he did win the golden glove. Yes, it's a team effort but if he really was such calamity it never could have happened.
 

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That is the point. He needed tp be replaced but we completely blew it. Same as we did with Smalling and Maguire
This is the issue, neither Harry nor Onana were the answer to our problems.

And tbh, I'd rather have kept both Smalling & DDG than blow 130m on players that do not take us to the next level.
 

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Some were glad to see the back of him be careful what you wish for, OK Onana is at early stages at OT, but somehow he was the Answer? Firstly a keeper for me stops shots.. DDG did that very good... missed remains to be seen if it was the right time to change?
 

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Some were glad to see the back of him be careful what you wish for, OK Onana is at early stages at OT, but somehow he was the Answer? Firstly a keeper for me stops shots.. DDG did that very good... missed remains to be seen if it was the right time to change?
Whether or not Onana is the answer, letting DDG go was the correct decision. Would you rather be stuck with him for another 4-5 years on a 200k/week contract?
 

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De Gea wins golden glove; it is because of good defence. Onana leaks goals, it is because of shit defence. But at the same time De Gea is awful in defence organisation while Onana is world class in that.:confused:

Make up your mind people.
 

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De Gea wins golden glove; it is because of good defence. Onana leaks goals, it is because of shit defence. But at the same time De Gea is awful in defence organisation while Onana is world class in that.:confused:

Make up your mind people.
Onana is not underperforming xG which means hes not conceding goals he should not be.

Do u remember how many goals we conceeded in the first 5 games last season?

We also have an injury crisis at the back. Probably better to judge Onana after a larger sample set.
 

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Some were glad to see the back of him be careful what you wish for, OK Onana is at early stages at OT, but somehow he was the Answer? Firstly a keeper for me stops shots.. DDG did that very good... missed remains to be seen if it was the right time to change?
Onana is miles better than De Gea and it absolutely was the right time to make the change. We actually left the change 3 years too late.
 

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De Gea wins golden glove; it is because of good defence. Onana leaks goals, it is because of shit defence. But at the same time De Gea is awful in defence organisation while Onana is world class in that.:confused:

Make up your mind people.
I have a bridge to sell you if you genuinely believe that golden glove last year was down to De Gea's defence organisation. Utterly laughable. We had one of the deepest lines in the entire league last season. That is the primary reason we conceded amongst the fewest goals. And even with that deep line we still suffered some absolute hammerings. We are not playing anywhere near how we played last year and the results clearly bear that message out. Our lines are much higher than last year which is why we are far more vulnerable to counters than last year.
 

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Some were glad to see the back of him be careful what you wish for, OK Onana is at early stages at OT, but somehow he was the Answer? Firstly a keeper for me stops shots.. DDG did that very good... missed remains to be seen if it was the right time to change?
In 2016 he did yes. Last season? Not so much. He was average at stopping stopping shots and also made big errors leading to goals.

Prime de Gea wouldnt have needed replacing. Even with his downsides that he cant claim crosses or kick a football to a teammate. Last season version of de Gea did need replacing... and getting rid of his wages was a nice bonus too.

And i actually like de Gea and would have been fine with him staying longer if the Onana money was used somewhere else. However that doesnt change the fact that de Gea wasnt the right keeper anymore.
 

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Some were glad to see the back of him be careful what you wish for, OK Onana is at early stages at OT, but somehow he was the Answer? Firstly a keeper for me stops shots.. DDG did that very good... missed remains to be seen if it was the right time to change?
I wish people would stop propagating this myth. DDG hasn't been a good shot stopper for a very long time. Weirdly, last season he kind of looked to be getting back to his best, with a handful of really world class saves. But all that did was mask the underlying trend and fool us into thinking he was still a great shot stopper when he is no longer anything of the sort..

Here's FBRef data from PL goalkeepers last season. This is in order of PSxG-GA, which is the best available way to analyse how good a goalkeeper is at stopping shots (It's per 90 data, to make the comparison as fair as possible).

You will note that there were seventeen PL goalkeepers who did a better job at stopping shots last season than DDG.


RkPlayerNationPosSquadAgeBorn90sGAPKAFKCKOGPSxGPSxG/SoTPSxG+/-
/90CmpAttCmp%AttThrLaunch%AvgLenAttLaunch%AvgLenOppStpStp%#OPA#OPA/90AvgDistMatches

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1Alissonbr BRAGKLiverpool29199237.01.160.050.000.000.051.380.330.27+0.273.147.6541.033.95.6818.426.95.2226.931.310.70.625.82.412.4119.8Matches
2Bernd Lenode GERGKFulham30199236.01.420.190.030.220.061.610.270.25+0.253.4410.931.732.05.2826.030.06.7237.636.012.90.977.51.281.2815.0Matches
3Kepa Arrizabalagaes ESPGKChelsea27199428.51.160.040.040.140.111.230.290.18+0.182.397.4731.930.35.3017.126.36.3935.731.511.60.534.51.821.8216.9Matches
4David Rayaes ESPGKBrentford26199538.01.210.050.000.240.081.260.240.13+0.139.1323.239.336.04.2150.739.57.0870.351.815.71.378.71.421.4215.8Matches
5Stefan Ortegade GERGKManchester City2919923.00.330.000.000.000.001.370.271.03+1.023.678.0045.851.75.3314.823.94.008.320.38.670.333.82.332.3321.1Matches
6Jordan Pickfordeng ENGGKEverton28199437.01.540.140.050.110.001.620.310.08+0.087.3021.633.726.84.0858.143.08.5171.452.715.30.593.91.411.4116.2Matches
7Emiliano Martínezar ARGGKAston Villa29199234.91.090.110.030.170.111.050.240.07+0.075.7015.038.033.63.8735.533.06.0750.540.713.81.7212.42.092.0916.6Matches
8Martin Dúbravkask SVKGKNewcastle Utd3319891.70.590.000.000.000.591.120.211.12+1.073.535.8860.022.98.2410.320.78.8240.035.317.60.593.30.000.0012.4Matches
9Netobr BRAGKBournemouth33198926.51.470.150.000.300.041.500.260.06+0.066.0416.536.622.75.1347.437.88.7265.844.619.21.326.90.940.9412.1Matches
10Sam Johnstoneeng ENGGKCrystal Palace2919939.01.110.220.000.440.111.110.240.11+0.113.3311.030.325.94.5631.831.85.1154.342.811.60.221.91.221.2215.4Matches
11Daniel Bentleyeng ENGGKWolves2919932.01.500.000.000.000.001.950.300.45+0.445.0014.534.528.57.0038.632.911.530.432.218.52.5013.50.500.508.3Matches
12Asmir Begovićba BIHGKEverton3519871.00.000.000.000.000.000.500.120.50+0.494.0013.030.822.05.0036.434.98.0062.546.823.01.004.30.000.005.0Matches
13Vicente Guaitaes ESPGKCrystal Palace35198727.01.260.070.000.150.071.200.260.01+0.014.2611.935.923.55.1934.532.37.6349.037.415.20.966.30.960.9613.1Matches
14Alphonse Areolafr FRAGKWest Ham2919933.42.060.590.000.290.002.150.330.09+0.094.1210.937.817.94.1239.333.48.8243.333.013.80.594.30.290.2910.3Matches
15Nick Popeeng ENGGKNewcastle Utd30199236.20.880.060.000.220.030.860.240.01+0.013.3110.232.618.96.4133.133.05.7268.650.711.40.948.32.042.0418.2Matches
16Marek Rodáksk SVKGKFulham2519962.01.000.000.000.000.001.000.510.00+0.018.0023.534.023.01.5073.946.07.5086.760.013.00.503.81.001.0014.0Matches
17Joel Robleses ESPGKLeeds United3219904.02.750.500.000.000.002.630.32-0.13-0.124.5017.825.422.55.0052.241.18.0075.049.410.80.504.70.750.7511.6Matches
18David de Geaes ESPGKManchester Utd31199038.01.130.050.050.160.031.090.27-0.02-0.023.7111.831.427.23.3732.632.34.7163.1



EDIT: Made an awful bollox of first version of that post. Hope to feck nobody quoted me.
 
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I have a bridge to sell you if you genuinely believe that golden glove last year was down to De Gea's defence organisation. Utterly laughable. We had one of the deepest lines in the entire league last season. That is the primary reason we conceded amongst the fewest goals. And even with that deep line we still suffered some absolute hammerings. We are not playing anywhere near how we played last year and the results clearly bear that message out. Our lines are much higher than last year which is why we are far more vulnerable to counters than last year.
So, we are playing worse football this year but it is also an argument against De Gea?
 

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He needed to be replaced but people had forgotten or taken for granted just how special a shot stopper he was and could still be. He wasn't a normal keeper and you see that in some of the reactions to Onana who is probably an average to above average shot stopper over the course of a season, he isn't DDG though and should not be expected to be.
The DDG of the last 4/5 years was routinely letting in goals he should've saved. I love the guy but even his shot stopping had gone down the toilet the last few seasons.
 

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He needed to be replaced but people had forgotten or taken for granted just how special a shot stopper he was and could still be. He wasn't a normal keeper and you see that in some of the reactions to Onana who is probably an average to above average shot stopper over the course of a season, he isn't DDG though and should not be expected to be.
Every measurable statistic shows he was a below average shot stopper at United for at least the past 2 seasons.
 

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De Gea wins golden glove; it is because of good defence. Onana leaks goals, it is because of shit defence. But at the same time De Gea is awful in defence organisation while Onana is world class in that.:confused:

Make up your mind people.
3 out of 4 of our main defence is injured
 

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I wish people would stop propagating this myth. DDG hasn't been a good shot stopper for a very long time. Weirdly, last season he kind of looked to be getting back to his best, with a handful of really world class saves. But all that did was mask the underlying trend and fool us into thinking he was still a great shot stopper when he is no longer anything of the sort..

Here's FBRef data from PL goalkeepers last season. This is in order of PSxG-GA, which is the best available way to analyse how good a goalkeeper is at stopping shots (It's per 90 data, to make the comparison as fair as possible).

You will note that there were seventeen PL goalkeepers who did a better job at stopping shots last season than DDG.



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1Alissonbr BRAGKLiverpool29199237.01.160.050.000.000.051.380.330.27+0.273.147.6541.033.95.6818.426.95.2226.931.310.70.625.82.412.4119.8Matches
2Bernd Lenode GERGKFulham30199236.01.420.190.030.220.061.610.270.25+0.253.4410.931.732.05.2826.030.06.7237.636.012.90.977.51.281.2815.0Matches
3Kepa Arrizabalagaes ESPGKChelsea27199428.51.160.040.040.140.111.230.290.18+0.182.397.4731.930.35.3017.126.36.3935.731.511.60.534.51.821.8216.9Matches
4David Rayaes ESPGKBrentford26199538.01.210.050.000.240.081.260.240.13+0.139.1323.239.336.04.2150.739.57.0870.351.815.71.378.71.421.4215.8Matches
5Stefan Ortegade GERGKManchester City2919923.00.330.000.000.000.001.370.271.03+1.023.678.0045.851.75.3314.823.94.008.320.38.670.333.82.332.3321.1Matches
6Jordan Pickfordeng ENGGKEverton28199437.01.540.140.050.110.001.620.310.08+0.087.3021.633.726.84.0858.143.08.5171.452.715.30.593.91.411.4116.2Matches
7Emiliano Martínezar ARGGKAston Villa29199234.91.090.110.030.170.111.050.240.07+0.075.7015.038.033.63.8735.533.06.0750.540.713.81.7212.42.092.0916.6Matches
8Martin Dúbravkask SVKGKNewcastle Utd3319891.70.590.000.000.000.591.120.211.12+1.073.535.8860.022.98.2410.320.78.8240.035.317.60.593.30.000.0012.4Matches
9Netobr BRAGKBournemouth33198926.51.470.150.000.300.041.500.260.06+0.066.0416.536.622.75.1347.437.88.7265.844.619.21.326.90.940.9412.1Matches
10Sam Johnstoneeng ENGGKCrystal Palace2919939.01.110.220.000.440.111.110.240.11+0.113.3311.030.325.94.5631.831.85.1154.342.811.60.221.91.221.2215.4Matches
11Daniel Bentleyeng ENGGKWolves2919932.01.500.000.000.000.001.950.300.45+0.445.0014.534.528.57.0038.632.911.530.432.218.52.5013.50.500.508.3Matches
12Asmir Begovićba BIHGKEverton3519871.00.000.000.000.000.000.500.120.50+0.494.0013.030.822.05.0036.434.98.0062.546.823.01.004.30.000.005.0Matches
13Vicente Guaitaes ESPGKCrystal Palace35198727.01.260.070.000.150.071.200.260.01+0.014.2611.935.923.55.1934.532.37.6349.037.415.20.966.30.960.9613.1Matches
14Alphonse Areolafr FRAGKWest Ham2919933.42.060.590.000.290.002.150.330.09+0.094.1210.937.817.94.1239.333.48.8243.333.013.80.594.30.290.2910.3Matches
15Nick Popeeng ENGGKNewcastle Utd30199236.20.880.060.000.220.030.860.240.01+0.013.3110.232.618.96.4133.133.05.7268.650.711.40.948.32.042.0418.2Matches
16Marek Rodáksk SVKGKFulham2519962.01.000.000.000.000.001.000.510.00+0.018.0023.534.023.01.5073.946.07.5086.760.013.00.503.81.001.0014.0Matches
17Joel Robleses ESPGKLeeds United3219904.02.750.500.000.000.002.630.32-0.13-0.124.5017.825.422.55.0052.241.18.0075.049.410.80.504.70.750.7511.6Matches
18David de Geaes ESPGKManchester Utd31199038.01.130.050.050.160.031.090.27-0.02-0.023.7111.831.427.23.3732.632.34.7163.1



EDIT: Made an awful bollox of first version of that post. Hope to feck nobody quoted me.
He was that bad last season and we finished 3rd and imo should have got 2nd.. won 43 games I think with him in goal has had two or 3 player of the season at Utd .. and maybe he's not at his best threw one in v West Ham and a few other cock ups . But he's kept us in games where we could have been out of them.. it remains to be seen if Onana can do that if we're under the cosh. And the way it's going with the CM and CB this guy is going to have to save more .... Roll out more stats won't change my mind on DDG and Onana until the guys proven himself. ..10 goals in 5 games he's left in ,him and the defence. There's a Stat .
 

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In 2016 he did yes. Last season? Not so much. He was average at stopping stopping shots and also made big errors leading to goals.

Prime de Gea wouldnt have needed replacing. Even with his downsides that he cant claim crosses or kick a football to a teammate. Last season version of de Gea did need replacing... and getting rid of his wages was a nice bonus too.

And i actually like de Gea and would have been fine with him staying longer if the Onana money was used somewhere else. However that doesnt change the fact that de Gea wasnt the right keeper anymore.
Maybe but was Onana?? Looks a bad buy at present.. hope he gets better for everyone's sake.
 

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I have a bridge to sell you if you genuinely believe that golden glove last year was down to De Gea's defence organisation. Utterly laughable. We had one of the deepest lines in the entire league last season. That is the primary reason we conceded amongst the fewest goals. And even with that deep line we still suffered some absolute hammerings. We are not playing anywhere near how we played last year and the results clearly bear that message out. Our lines are much higher than last year which is why we are far more vulnerable to counters than last year.
So you are telling me that it was not DDG that was stopping us from playing high defensive line last year?
 

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So you are telling me that it was not DDG that was stopping us from playing high defensive line last year?
Yes but it wasn’t him organising the defence that made it so great as the previous poster was alluding to.
 

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I still find it bizarre that he is without a club.

What is he waiting for?

He must have had an offer from Saudi Arabia at least?
He was an elite shot stopper and that tailed off last few seasons so not sure why anyone would pay decent wages for him. Basically a good (ish) keeper who used to be great.
 

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I still find it bizarre that he is without a club.

What is he waiting for?

He must have had an offer from Saudi Arabia at least?
Presumably he is simply waiting for a better offer than the ones he's had.

And really why wouldn't he? Not like he can't afford to wait a while and see if an opportunity comes up. And in the meantime get the sort of extended break with his family he won't have had in over a decade.

If I was him I'd probably happily take the extended break, see if I can fluke my way into a better club than I really deserve and if not settle for something else later.
 

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So, we are playing worse football this year but it is also an argument against De Gea?
That's on the midfield. Onana has been the only bright spot so far. We're like a sinking ship, we plug one hole and another appears.

De Gea was seriously holding us back this last couple of years and it will take a little time for our defence to get used to a new style.
 

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I wish people would stop propagating this myth. DDG hasn't been a good shot stopper for a very long time. Weirdly, last season he kind of looked to be getting back to his best, with a handful of really world class saves. But all that did was mask the underlying trend and fool us into thinking he was still a great shot stopper when he is no longer anything of the sort..

Here's FBRef data from PL goalkeepers last season. This is in order of PSxG-GA, which is the best available way to analyse how good a goalkeeper is at stopping shots (It's per 90 data, to make the comparison as fair as possible).

You will note that there were seventeen PL goalkeepers who did a better job at stopping shots last season than DDG.

EDIT: Made an awful bollox of first version of that post. Hope to feck nobody quoted me.
But even then Onana was considerably worse on that statistic so if that's the metric we have regressed n shot stopping no?

The season before last DDG was a very good shot stopper, last season he was mostly good with shockers thrown in.

I said ages ago people over slated DDGs shot stopping as they'd got used to his high standards. It was never going to be easy replacing him and we were always going to get a worse shot stopper who might be better at other aspects.

Far too early to tell either way with Onana but his record suggests that's what we've got. Onana in many of our prior team's would have been a significant downgrade, question is whether this team is good enough in possession to get the benefit from a ball playing keeper. If not Onana may hinder us.
 

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10 goals in 5 games ?? Hope your right that he's better
Remember DeGea's first season he could not save a shot from more than 10 yards out.... the defence and midfield need time to adjust to the GK and vice versa, I cannot say that Onana has let in any howlers, there are maybe a couple where he could have maybe done better but he has been left exposed a lot, players free to shoot un-challenged from the edge of the area not making his life easy
 

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10 goals in 5 games ?? Hope your right that he's better
More to do with injuries to Varane, Malacia, Shaw, mount, now Wan Bissaka, Martinez and Lindelof vs Arsenal, distractions all around the club, etc ...

Things will normalize. It's 1 month into the season.
 

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Still no club for DDG?
When you're on £375k per-week for years, the urgency to play immediately probably won't be as strong, particularly when most clubs would offer a 70% pay cut. Financially, he's beyond set for life and can take a year off in the Balaerics before reassessing his next move.
 

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When you're on £375k per-week for years, the urgency to play immediately probably won't be as strong, particularly when most clubs would offer a 70% pay cut. Financially, he's beyond set for life and can take a year off in the Balaerics before reassessing his next move.
Its also illustrative that not a single top club has shown any interest.
 
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