No the difference is Ole knew how big the job is and you didn't. Ole surrounded himself with club men, Moyes pushed out the club men.
David Moyes West Ham Manager (Again) | European Champion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss United's thrilling but ultimately disappointing 3-3 draw with Galatsaray. They talk Onana, our fading hopes of getting out of the group, and whether we want Europa League football or not.
They also discuss a comfortable (?) win at Everton and probably don't spend long enough talking about THAT goal and Kobbie Mainoo.
Finishing with a look ahead to a punishing December schedule which will make or break the season.
Yeah Moyes did praise Ole for doing a really good job at United.
Doesn't change the fact Moyes still think he can make a similar results if he's given more time at United, which is just ridiculous for saying that.
Any journalist hearing that oft repeated "time" line from Moyes should ask why on earth he should get more time when he turned champions into 7th?!
Beyond anyone's worst nightmare that was. He even let his old gang Everton finish above us!
Beyond anyone's worst nightmare that was. He even let his old gang Everton finish above us!
I've said this before, but the Caf should register as a member of the press, so we can have someone be present at press conferences and ask the questions journalists don't ask. Which in this situation should be something along the lines of what you said.
We'd probably get banned in a few months but those few months would be refreshing to see.
It's amazing after all these years he still can't hold his hands up and say he made mistakes and admit that the job was too big for him.
Press conferences are a joke, the Journo's are told what they can/can't ask at the start and are just banned if they upset the apple cart.
Not even worth watching anymore unless it's after a major defeat and you've got Jose/Pep/Klopp etc boiled piss.
To be honest, I don’t see the problem with his comments this time around - other than taking the bait of course. The man doesn’t have class, we already knew that. Speaks highly of United, he could say we are now a shadow of our former self - he didn’t do that. He is also right to a certain degree, Solskjær kept his job even though we went on a pathetic run last season, much worse than the one he ever managed. Circumstances were different too, when he stunk up the place we were still on our high horses - now we’re comfortably not.
I don’t fear West Ham at all, and if we feck up, we really don’t deserve to play in the CL regardless.
I don’t fear West Ham at all, and if we feck up, we really don’t deserve to play in the CL regardless.
I hope we batter this lot by 8 goals or more
Be nice to have a double whammy of pretty much insuring top four as well as maximising the chances of sending West Ham down
They are so godawful that it's an actual possibility and they were ridiculously lucky to get anything against us in the reverse fixture this season but they have looked better in the last few weeks so I'd take a 3-nil win for us if you offered it to me now.
Go all out in both fixtures imo.
Be nice to have a double whammy of pretty much insuring top four as well as maximising the chances of sending West Ham down
They are so godawful that it's an actual possibility and they were ridiculously lucky to get anything against us in the reverse fixture this season but they have looked better in the last few weeks so I'd take a 3-nil win for us if you offered it to me now.
Go all out in both fixtures imo.
Two things can be accurate here: Moyes was lucky to get as much time in charge of United as he did and Solskjaer has benefitted from being given time when United could easily have considered sacking him.
And this season as well.
At the time Moyes was fired we had the best away record in the league. He got the sack entirely because the season was nearly over and we’d won just 7 (seven) league games at Old Trafford all season. He took a team which had averaged 50 points at home over the previous three seasons and left us with 24. We also ended up losing seven home league games in a season for the first time since 1974, the year we were last relegated.
I guess what I’m saying is, David Moyes has, historically, not done very well at Old Traffford...
I guess what I’m saying is, David Moyes has, historically, not done very well at Old Traffford...
Their tranfers are horrible when you look at it. Only those two I mentioned actually make sense but in the past they bought some trash haven't they?
I almost forgot they still play Noble every match and that speaks for itself.
They should give Sean Dyche a call. He'd be well suited for them.
Also Moyes record here in the big games was absolutely fecking horrendous. That was another major reason he was sacked.
Lost home and away to City , two heavy defeats
Lost home and away to Liverpool,
Draw and loss to Spurs
Draw and loss to Chelsea.
Draw and win against Arsenal
We even managed to lose home and away to fecking Everton! With them gloating and taunting Moyes the entire time.
Lost home and away to City , two heavy defeats
Lost home and away to Liverpool,
Draw and loss to Spurs
Draw and loss to Chelsea.
Draw and win against Arsenal
We even managed to lose home and away to fecking Everton! With them gloating and taunting Moyes the entire time.
Well Moyes - if you can get your players to perform at 80% in this match - I will forgive you for most of your mistakes here
He's so delusional about his own ability its' beyond belief.
He took a team of champions, booted all the asisstants and got us playing some dreadful stuff, finishing 7th.
I'd get if he proved after that somehow he should have had more time but of course he didnt. He proved he's an average midtable manager like he was before, if even that.
Cant believe he used to say he's a CL calibre manager, I bet he stills believes that.
He took a team of champions, booted all the asisstants and got us playing some dreadful stuff, finishing 7th.
I'd get if he proved after that somehow he should have had more time but of course he didnt. He proved he's an average midtable manager like he was before, if even that.
Cant believe he used to say he's a CL calibre manager, I bet he stills believes that.
With time and money he would have put that record straight I think. He showed better big game stats in CL. Maybe he would have got it up to 50% win rate with a few more tweaks.Also Moyes record here in the big games was absolutely fecking horrendous. That was another major reason he was sacked.
Lost home and away to City , two heavy defeats
Lost home and away to Liverpool,
Draw and loss to Spurs
Draw and loss to Chelsea.
Draw and win against Arsenal
We even managed to lose home and away to fecking Everton! With them gloating and taunting Moyes the entire time.
I really hope you're a WUM and you don't honestly believe that.
That's because the club adopts a wrong philosophy. They want to play technical, possession football too much but that just doesn't suit a midtable side. The likes of Wilshere are never as useful as Kouyate, and the likes of Anderson, Lanzini, Fornals are never as effective as Arnautovic. Moyes proved it once in 17/18 and they made the same mistake again by hiring Pellegrini.
Aspire to get to City level - https://www.skysports.com/watch/vid...32546/moyes-well-aspire-to-get-to-citys-level
A gentle reminder. I don't think this man deserves any love at all from our supporters. Given the fact that he was so clueless and still holding grudges against Utd.
A gentle reminder. I don't think this man deserves any love at all from our supporters. Given the fact that he was so clueless and still holding grudges against Utd.
So Moyes is close to something Ole failed to do, save a club from relegation
I do think Moyes would have improved with time and get top 4. Still worth sacking him since he would never get us to the top.
I think he still holds that infamous record of no away wins at United, Liverpool, Chelsea or Arsenal. By now it must be about 60 attempts.Also Moyes record here in the big games was absolutely fecking horrendous. That was another major reason he was sacked.
Lost home and away to City , two heavy defeats
Lost home and away to Liverpool,
Draw and loss to Spurs
Draw and loss to Chelsea.
Draw and win against Arsenal
We even managed to lose home and away to fecking Everton! With them gloating and taunting Moyes the entire time.
Did you really had to say that today????
Thanks.
The biggest disgrace of the Moyes era, is that it has triggered this mad revisionism that Fergie left a really weak clapped out squad, and left because he knew it'd take major surgery to put right.
It's insulting to the big man, and just plain BS.
That squad didn't cruise a title and get to May and then were suddenly all shot away by August.
It needed a couple of strong signings, but even without doing anything, we shouldn't have been anywhere near 7th for goodness sake.
I genuinely believe no-one else with experience of football management could have taken us as low as 7th with the set up he was left.
He's barely won at Old Trafford, so it should be ok
Man Utd 1:1 West Ham
Twice now he’s come to Old Trafford and he probably could have cost us something. Will never forget that 4-4.
But we made West Ham look way better than they are.
But we made West Ham look way better than they are.
West Ham were pretty average. I expected them to be compact and not gift us something, but they weren't really dangerous or great either. We on the other hand were just garbage and tired. We basically begged them to play and do something, otherwise they would have fallen asleep.
Don't think we could ever live it down if he came to Old Trafford and won.
Moyes totally won the tactical battle today. He is showing he still got the quality to manage at the highest level.
What tactical battle? This was just a case of a poor performance.
That was caused by West Ham letting us have the ball in not so dangerous areas.
They also knew how to hurt us down the wings and could have had another from a set piece.
They got the draw that they needed so job done.
Nah. We were just bad. Just as we were against Chelsea, and just as we were against Southampton (Palace too tbh). Nothing to do with any kind of tactical battle.
Tactically Moyes did very well today. He got his WH team perfectly set-up in central areas.
Cramming our play effecting. He's seen,especially with Shaw out, how ineffective we are when we have to go alittle more direct out wide ,with Williams and TFM lack of offensive quality on full-show.
Imagine getting out smarted in a tactical battle by The Chosen One.
Cramming our play effecting. He's seen,especially with Shaw out, how ineffective we are when we have to go alittle more direct out wide ,with Williams and TFM lack of offensive quality on full-show.
Imagine getting out smarted in a tactical battle by The Chosen One.
Moysie would love to throw a spanner in the works!
Seems so long since his reign of terror at United.
Seems so long since his reign of terror at United.
The added bonus
He parked the bus until they knicked a goal. Hardly a masterclass.
They look really solid. He did well there.
From a biased United pov,sure.
But he set-up West Ham really well today.
I'm very grateful that he was West Ham's manager today - we looked like we were there for the taking at times today, but they didn't act on it. The point might yet get us something this season, so I thank him for his approach today.
They needed one point to secure their stay in the league. It would have been idiotic to go all out for it and risk conceding on counters.
It's hard to praise him when their goal was a mistake that you couldn't say was forced, or maybe he told his players to shoot for our faces.
He relied on his back line which did very well and they looked more energetic than us but I wouldn't call it a tactical victory.
He relied on his back line which did very well and they looked more energetic than us but I wouldn't call it a tactical victory.
They've got some good players in their squad. Antonio in this form is a nightmare for any back 4 in the league and Fornals seems to be improving a bit. Bowen has done well since he joined and at the back Fabanski, Diop, Ogbonna and Cresswell are all solid.
Finishing 15 points off the top half is really poor. Interested what he does next season. They'll probably sell Rice for 50m to Chelsea and others like Felipe Anderson so he'll have a decent budget.
Finishing 15 points off the top half is really poor. Interested what he does next season. They'll probably sell Rice for 50m to Chelsea and others like Felipe Anderson so he'll have a decent budget.