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You could argue this, much in the same way you could argue that a fireplace is a great spot to put a Dairy Milk.
All a matter of perspective frankly. Raya is an excellent footballer no doubt but there is no benefit to having a modern goalkeeper when they are a poor as Raya at the shot stopping and saving goals part of the job. I might be old fashioned but I still believe that a goalkeeper who can perform a cruyff turn but has 10 thumbs is not really a goalkeeper at all.
 

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I'm not really sure what to make of the Raya links. He represents a fairly low risk punt and is perhaps more accustomed to the demands of a modern goalkeeper than De Gea is, but he doesn't feel like the long-term answer either. If might make sense if he's prepared to come in as second choice and fight it out with De Gea, otherwise he's probably better off replacing Lloris at Spurs.

I think we'll probably end up signing Butland or a goalkeeper of similar ilk in the summer while we try to squeeze what's left out of De Gea. A new first choice goalkeeper doesn't seem particularly high on the agenda right now.
 

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for the price quoted its a no brainer, he's a really good keeper. But bringing him would mean De Gea would have to go, as Raya wont settle for 2nd choice, and in order for De Gea to leave we must not renew his contracto. So I doubt this is true.
 

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Minor point but Raya also counts as a homegrown player in England.
 

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for the price quoted its a no brainer, he's a really good keeper. But bringing him would mean De Gea would have to go, as Raya wont settle for 2nd choice, and in order for De Gea to leave we must not renew his contracto. So I doubt this is true.
Would be good business considering the wages he is on.
 

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All a matter of perspective frankly. Raya is an excellent footballer no doubt but there is no benefit to having a modern goalkeeper when they are a poor as Raya at the shot stopping and saving goals part of the job. I might be old fashioned but I still believe that a goalkeeper who can perform a cruyff turn but has 10 thumbs is not really a goalkeeper at all.
You might have a point if Raya wasn’t outperforming our current goalkeeper in the shot stopping statistics this season.
 

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The more I think back on DDGs omission from the Spanish squad, the more stupid it really was.
Why?

De Gea absolutely shit the bed for Spain in the 2018 World Cup, and he's been shit for us for about 75% of the time since then. He was fairly good for the first half of last season, and has been fairly good again for the first half of this season, but he's done nothing to prove he should be back in the Spanish side.
 

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Chelsea now need another goalkeeper?? Both Kepa & Mendy are contracted till 2025. Wouldn't really mind Mendy at United tbh.
 

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i'd much rather Raya for 20m than 70+ for the Porto lad that's for sure.

Raya is a quality modern keeper.
 

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You might have a point if Raya wasn’t outperforming our current goalkeeper in the shot stopping statistics this season.
I do rate Raya though I fear a bidding war with Chelsea. But stats only take you so far. The first save Dave did yesterday Raya simply doesnt make. Id argue no other keeper makes that save.
 

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YouTube videos don’t really impress me of him.
 

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I do rate Raya though I fear a bidding war with Chelsea. But stats only take you so far. The first save Dave did yesterday Raya simply doesnt make. Id argue no other keeper makes that save.
I'm not saying he does, although we don't specifically know that - to be fair I haven't seen a replay of it yet but it looked a very good save. I think you're probably exaggerating on the "no other keeper" part though, there are plenty of goalkeepers out there who saves that De Gea makes, half the time they just don't look spectacular because they're positioned properly in the first place.

Equally three or four times in the game the ball came into the box and the defenders had to deal with it because De Gea is terrified of leaving his line (heck even Tom Heaton showed the benefits of a goalkeeper dealing with crosses into the box rather than leaving it to defenders), or we lost possession because he just kicks it to absolutely nobody - one of such kicks led directly to their free kick for the goal.
 

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I do rate Raya though I fear a bidding war with Chelsea. But stats only take you so far. The first save Dave did yesterday Raya simply doesnt make. Id argue no other keeper makes that save.
Most top level goalkeepers have the capacity to at some point make that kind of wonder save. The most gifted shot-stoppers don't make saves other can't make, they just more regularly make saves others rarely make.
 

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He's Claimed 3x as many high balls as De Gea this season...
 

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Hes nowhere near de gea for shot stopping and pulling off worldie saves.
 

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Raya, Sanchez, Simon, Costa, Sommer.. these guys should be doing De Gea's laundry, nothing more.
 

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Hes nowhere near de gea for shot stopping and pulling off worldie saves.
He's better in every other aspect though. Better with his feet, claiming crosses and sweeping. he also has a higher save % this season.
 

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He's better in every other aspect though. Better with his feet, claiming crosses and sweeping. he also has a higher save % this season.
He has a higher save perce tage because hes a busier keeper playing for brighton.

Couldnt care less about his feet, sweeping or claming crosses. He cant make the saves de gea can.
 

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He has a higher save perce tage because hes a busier keeper playing for brighton.

Couldnt care less about his feet, sweeping or claming crosses. He cant make the saves de gea can.
Sounds like a pretty stupid way to judge a goalkeeper given they're a central part of the role.
 

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He has a higher save perce tage because hes a busier keeper playing for brighton.

Couldnt care less about his feet, sweeping or claming crosses. He cant make the saves de gea can.
No, that would be total saves. He saves a higher percentage of shots he's faced, while facing more shots.

also you couldn't care less about 3 major parts of being a goalkeeper :lol:
 

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No, that would be total saves. He saves a higher percentage of shots he's faced, while facing more shots.

also you couldn't care less about 3 major parts of being a goalkeeper :lol:
The most important being keeping the ball out of net. But go ahead and shit on our no1 keeper. Bloody plastic fans.
 
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The most important being keeping the ball out of net. But go ahead and shit on our no1 keeper. Bloody plastic fans.
How is being concerned about De Geas complete inability to:

- Claim high balls (which consistently puts us under pressure with aerial assaults into the box).

- Complete sweeping actions (which always causes confusion with the defence when balls are played in behind them).

mean that we are plastic? Watch our games properly instead of basing your opinion of De Gea based on one out of 100 important factors for a competent goalkeeper.
 

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The most important being keeping the ball out of net. But go ahead and shit on our no1 keeper. Bloody plastic fans.
1. Yes that's true.
2. I'm not shitting on him, I always have supported him and i always will as long as he plays for us but it's also fair to acknowledge he has several weaknesses.
3. 25 years of support = Plastic. :wenger:
 

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15m is very good price.

Having ball playing and sweeping keeper is very important for manager who wants his team to retain possession especially if we want to go toe to toe with City or even Arsenal on possession. The modern days of football is about high press, we will see lot of high press team playing against us meaning the keeper will be receving lot of pressure and it's an important aspect for keeper to be able to handle this high press and still make the right and accurate pass to retain possession.

 

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The most important being keeping the ball out of net. But go ahead and shit on our no1 keeper. Bloody plastic fans.
A ball playing keeper who can retain possession can also be viewed as a keeper who can keep the ball out of net because If our team can retain possession or keep the ball means opposition teams will have less chances to score.
 

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A ball playing keeper who can retain possession can also be viewed as a keeper who can keep the ball out of net because If our team can retain possession or keep the ball means opposition teams will have less chances to score.
And it's the same for a keeper who claims crosses which has been a part of a goalkeeper's job since football started.
 

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1. Yes that's true.
2. I'm not shitting on him, I always have supported him and i always will as long as he plays for us but it's also fair to acknowledge he has several weaknesses.
3. 25 years of support = Plastic. :wenger:
Plastic was uncalled for i admit. It does get annoying when people keep calling out the best shot stopper in the PL. Ederson, Alisson might be better with the ball at their feet but they arent as good as stopping shots as De Gea.

Yes he has weaknesses but we have to give him credit, he is working on them i.e. passing the ball has improved (unlike antony and his non existant right foot). We finally have a top quality CB pairing and the DM that we have all be asking for, for years.

Get through our DM, our defence and hit a top quality strike and theres a chance de gea will pull of a worldie save. He pulled off two amazing saves again palace. Got very unlucky that olise hit the best free kick of his career in injury time.

Personally i couldnt care less if he doesnt contribute to build up play or cant play sweeper keeper. We have martinez with a wand of a left foot and shaws no slouch either with his left foot.

Utd will extend de gea's contract albeit on a lower wage. We have more pressing concerns elsewhere on the pitch i.e. a striker, a CM alternative fot eriksen and possibly a RB who can complement antony and help get the best out of him.
 

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Plastic was uncalled for i admit. It does get annoying when people keep calling out the best shot stopper in the PL. Ederson, Alisson might be better with the ball at their feet but they arent as good as stopping shots as De Gea.

Yes he has weaknesses but we have to give him credit, he is working on them i.e. passing the ball has improved (unlike antony and his non existant right foot). We finally have a top quality CB pairing and the DM that we have all be asking for, for years.

Get through our DM, our defence and hit a top quality strike and theres a chance de gea will pull of a worldie save. He pulled off two amazing saves again palace. Got very unlucky that olise hit the best free kick of his career in injury time.

Personally i couldnt care less if he doesnt contribute to build up play or cant play sweeper keeper. We have martinez with a wand of a left foot and shaws no slouch either with his left foot.

Utd will extend de gea's contract albeit on a lower wage. We have more pressing concerns elsewhere on the pitch i.e. a striker, a CM alternative fot eriksen and possibly a RB who can complement antony and help get the best out of him.
Raya is only for 15m though. It's not like we are talking about 50m signing keeper that we shouldn't proceed because we need to use the budget elsewhere.
 

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Nonsense.
It's not though.

18/19 - he was 'ok' in the first half of the season. Notably worse than he'd been previously, but not enough to be too worried as we figured it was just a hangover from his terrible World Cup. Absolutely shit the bed in the second half of the season though, having the worst form of his career and probably being the main reason we didn't make the top four. Was completely at fault for so many goals in the last couple of months of the season that it wasn't funny.

19/20 - Poor the entire season. Culminating in him being bought back into the line-up for the semi-finals for all three cups (after Romero played all the previous rounds), and making terrible mistakes for three of the five goals that we conceded in the Europa and FA Cup semi's.

20/21 - Poor the entire season. To the point that even Ole (someone who was loyal to a fault) dropped him from the starting line-up in the latter half of the season. His decision to chicken out of the third goal against Leipzig ultimately knocked us out of the CL.

21/22 - Fairly good for the first half of the season. Still nowhere near as good as he once was, but a very noticeable improvement over his form for the last few seasons. Was poor again in the second half of the season though.

22/23 - Has been fairly good for the first half of the season, but has still had a couple of shockers.

So if we look at the last four and a half seasons overall, he's been fairly good for a total of one season, ok for half a season, poor for two and a half seasons, and utterly terrible for half a season.
 

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Plastic was uncalled for i admit. It does get annoying when people keep calling out the best shot stopper in the PL. Ederson, Alisson might be better with the ball at their feet but they arent as good as stopping shots as De Gea.

Get through our DM, our defence and hit a top quality strike and theres a chance de gea will pull of a worldie save. He pulled off two amazing saves again palace. Got very unlucky that olise hit the best free kick of his career in injury time.
De Gea's shot-stopping ability these days is overrated. He was once incredible at it, probably the best I've ever seen. But the last few seasons he's been absolutely bang average. For every truly great save he does make (and he does still make a few, albeit not as many as people make out) he also makes a mistake and concedes one he shouldn't. Alisson in particular is far better even at that attribute, never mind being better at basically every other single thing you could want.

A good example is you saying he pulled off two amazing saves against Palace. Yes the first one was great, but the second was completely normal and would've been a huge mistake if he somehow conceded that. For some reason a lot of his saves that fit into the second category end up being labelled amazing as if other keepers wouldn't have done the exact same thing. Which over time creates a narrative that he's making brilliant saves week-in week-out (like he once did), which really isn't the case.
 
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Raya is only for 15m though. It's not like we are talking about 50m signing keeper that we shouldn't proceed because we need to use the budget elsewhere.
But if you were him, would you give up first team football at brighton to sit on the bench at Utd and play the occasional game.

If your gonna replace de gea then you need someone equally as good. Oblak or mike maginan etc.

The only keeper we have really been persistantly linked to over last 18 months is the leeds lad meisler. If leeds go down i have no doubt utd will be in like a shot to buy him and have him gradually replace de gea over the long term.
 

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But if you were him, would you give up first team football at brighton to sit on the bench at Utd and play the occasional game.

If your gonna replace de gea then you need someone equally as good. Oblak or mike maginan etc.

The only keeper we have really been persistantly linked to over last 18 months is the leeds lad meisler. If leeds go down i have no doubt utd will be in like a shot to buy him and have him gradually replace de gea over the long term.
Why would he sits on the bench when he's above DDG in Spanish national team pecking order? If we are going to sign this guy then it means to upgrade DDG so ten Hag can finally make his team to play more consistent of retaining possession and able to go toe to toe with City. If he's not good enough then it's only 15m, we can sign a new one next summer 2024 so this is actually works for both short and long term. If he's good enough then we are getting him for bargain.
 
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Cheap as chips. Maybe that's the category we'll be shopping in this summer, but this particular one makes a lot of sense to get an established PL keeper.
 

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Wouldn't say no at the price and it'll be a great battle to see who comes out on top.
 

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But if you were him, would you give up first team football at brighton to sit on the bench at Utd and play the occasional game.

If your gonna replace de gea then you need someone equally as good. Oblak or mike maginan etc.

The only keeper we have really been persistantly linked to over last 18 months is the leeds lad meisler. If leeds go down i have no doubt utd will be in like a shot to buy him and have him gradually replace de gea over the long term.
De Gea won’t be number 1 next season, I think you need to prepare yourself.
 
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