I don't remember the market inflated in this rate before Pogba transfer. It almost seems like the oil money clubs wanted to show that they can spend stupid money too. 89 mill looks like a bargain this summer
Did we open the floodgate with Pogba transfer?
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Something has changed since last summer, but i think it's not because if Pogba. But i would say Neymar transfer changed many things. Before that nobody took serious 120m for Coutinho or 150m for Mbappe and Dembele. And now it seems possible.
The very same point can be argued with selling Ronaldo for £80m. Should we have turned around and said, "Actually, this sets a terrible precedent, how about £50m?"
I wouldn't say so. Bale to Real was a few years before and wasn't that much less, then there's James, Higuain, and even earlier Ronaldo that were in the same ballpark. I think the massive TV deals are more culpable in this instance, that and a few teams being owned by countries not people.
Honestly it's not the players. It's the financial muscle behind the transfers.
You only have to look at the three or four biggest clubs in the world - revenue and fan base - and note that despite spending large sums they still pale in comparison to what Man City and PSG have done. FFP was supposed to eliminate money from certain sources but really it's been a nonstarter.
Nip it at the bud. High transparency to the buyers of clubs and where their money is coming from. Truly effective punitive measures for illegitimate financial doping. That's the dream. Til then this is no better than monsters and gangsters corrupting the sport we love.
You only have to look at the three or four biggest clubs in the world - revenue and fan base - and note that despite spending large sums they still pale in comparison to what Man City and PSG have done. FFP was supposed to eliminate money from certain sources but really it's been a nonstarter.
Nip it at the bud. High transparency to the buyers of clubs and where their money is coming from. Truly effective punitive measures for illegitimate financial doping. That's the dream. Til then this is no better than monsters and gangsters corrupting the sport we love.
When you get 90m pound as top bench mark then others went around that like Higuain.
And then now you got 200m pound as the top benchmark for price, every one start think 100m something isn't that outrageous anymore.
Is it good for football? I really have no idea. For me, I kinda couldn't careless about football as a whole like before. Only focus on anything Utd related. With all these ridiculous prices, wages, and drama between players, clubs...etc. it's like football is starting to get out of touch with reality and the real beauty of it.
And then now you got 200m pound as the top benchmark for price, every one start think 100m something isn't that outrageous anymore.
Is it good for football? I really have no idea. For me, I kinda couldn't careless about football as a whole like before. Only focus on anything Utd related. With all these ridiculous prices, wages, and drama between players, clubs...etc. it's like football is starting to get out of touch with reality and the real beauty of it.
I agree. It's crazy really. I enjoy United but can't be arsed about any of the football celebrity stuff and 24hr news and tweets, about other clubs too, most of which is just pure speculation anyway. The money is obscene to be fair and makes me like it less, there's very little romantisism left, or is that just me?
I think it's depends on the characteristics of the fans. Many practical fans just get on with it as they sees it as something that will eventually evolve with times. Older generations will find it harder to accept this new reality because they were in love with the old tradition, passion, respect and love for the club...etc from players, managers, owner.
Football as of now is mostly purely business and the players knows that and sees it mostly as professional career and it's nothin wrong with that. When money (LOTs of money) involve, most things will eventually turn into something that many will find it hard to understand, accept, or fall out of love with. Think I'm in the process of falling out of love with Football as a whole.
Starting ? It lost all sense of reality, ages ago.
No, it's the fact that clubs don't have to sell players to stay afloat anymore because of the TV money/oil money in the game.
Yeah, it's kinda but I guess Utd been keeping my interest up to certain level that I keep an eye and ear on football as a whole. But, I guess with more and more of billionaires owners, seems-never-ending-corruption of FIFA, Uefa, dramas between clubs, players...etc. it's killing my interest with football. I just couldn't careless if it's nothing to do with Utd.
True, but that was Real Madrid, they were always on a different stratosphere when it comes to spending. Also those money are for goal scoring attackers, which are always on the upper tier of price.
But United were always "sensible" spenders, in terms of spending, we rarely really flex our financial muscle. When a midfielder went for 89 million pounds from a top club to another top club, it would make sense that attackers would get higher than that
It was always heading in this direction. Not sure who's to blame, but some of the fees before Neymar's deal were head scratchers, so it's hard to pin the blame on PSG.
No. Higuain, Stones ones were. Defender world record for CB who can't defend on the back of a terrible season, who ain't starting for England in one of the worst period in the past 3 decades! Higuain being Higuain. Juventus doesn't need him to win the league. He's far from ideal forward to push for the CL, given his reputation.
The flood gates were opened with Neymar to barcelona, Bale to madrid and James rodriguez to madrid transfers it self.
Could someone please give a fair estimate of Messi s transfer fee today?
No resale value. Would only consider if only it's a free transfer with Messi takes a pay cut.
FM FTW
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My two pence worth...
Every situation has it's positive and negatives. I really have no facts a figures but I'm presuming the smaller clubs could now hopefully have a better chance of now securing theie futures, if they now sell their players, for the unheard amounts. The bigger clubs? Well, if they can't compete, hopefully it will mean they will concentrate more on their youth and give them a chance. Regardless of the ridiculous amounts of money given to buy players, the fundamentals of football haven't changed. 22 people, chasing and kicking a ball around.
Also, I keep hearing that football is losing touch with reality? Really? Could these people explain to me what the "reality" was before? I mean, if you really look at it, football was never meant to be reality. Well the elite wasn't. I mean look at our club. Sir Matt & SAF were notoriously banging on to the players how they had to entertain the crowds who came to watch them. The very crowd who'd work 12 hour days in mines etc and their escapism was football. It was actually something for the crowd to escape "reality" and sit back and be detached from reality for that 90 minuets.
For me, clubs and players are becoming more and more in touch with reality. Look at the MU Foundation. Look at the work they do? Mata's movement about donating 1% of his salary to charity. Players now on social media. Whatever you may think about it, we are now more in touch with players, more than ever before. Kids mascots, we now see more and more of them. Kids getting a chance to see their stars that previously wasn't there in football.
For me, reality is still there in football. Go to your local teams, amateurs. If you want to keep in touch with "reality", there is plenty yoy can do for your local clubs & communities or yourselves. So please, people stop banging on about football losing in touch with "reality".
Every situation has it's positive and negatives. I really have no facts a figures but I'm presuming the smaller clubs could now hopefully have a better chance of now securing theie futures, if they now sell their players, for the unheard amounts. The bigger clubs? Well, if they can't compete, hopefully it will mean they will concentrate more on their youth and give them a chance. Regardless of the ridiculous amounts of money given to buy players, the fundamentals of football haven't changed. 22 people, chasing and kicking a ball around.
Also, I keep hearing that football is losing touch with reality? Really? Could these people explain to me what the "reality" was before? I mean, if you really look at it, football was never meant to be reality. Well the elite wasn't. I mean look at our club. Sir Matt & SAF were notoriously banging on to the players how they had to entertain the crowds who came to watch them. The very crowd who'd work 12 hour days in mines etc and their escapism was football. It was actually something for the crowd to escape "reality" and sit back and be detached from reality for that 90 minuets.
For me, clubs and players are becoming more and more in touch with reality. Look at the MU Foundation. Look at the work they do? Mata's movement about donating 1% of his salary to charity. Players now on social media. Whatever you may think about it, we are now more in touch with players, more than ever before. Kids mascots, we now see more and more of them. Kids getting a chance to see their stars that previously wasn't there in football.
For me, reality is still there in football. Go to your local teams, amateurs. If you want to keep in touch with "reality", there is plenty yoy can do for your local clubs & communities or yourselves. So please, people stop banging on about football losing in touch with "reality".
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We didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the sheikhs were earning.
No you didn't, PSG did. Pobga would probably be £120 million in today's market.
£200 million or so probably.
Shortly after the pogba transfer mourinho said that it would seem cheap in a year's time. They new this surge in prices was coming.
Transfers don't really inflate the transfer market, club finances do. The Pogba signing was a symptom of United having a hell of a lot of money.
The fact that Liverpool can bid £60m on a young midfielder is due to them having a lot of money. Likewise them rejecting £100m for Coutinho is because they don't need the money and wouldn't be able to replace him in 2 weeks.
One transfer is irrelevant in the scheme of things.
The fact that Liverpool can bid £60m on a young midfielder is due to them having a lot of money. Likewise them rejecting £100m for Coutinho is because they don't need the money and wouldn't be able to replace him in 2 weeks.
One transfer is irrelevant in the scheme of things.
No. What changed is that the English clubs joined Europe's top clubs in being loaded enough to no longer need to sell at good prices.
This has meant massive inflation in the middle and lower top end of the market. The neymar deal is actually quite sane compared to the prices some lesser players are going for.
This has meant massive inflation in the middle and lower top end of the market. The neymar deal is actually quite sane compared to the prices some lesser players are going for.
It's the amount of money in the world
What you're seeing is inflation in effect. Clubs have more money therefore players cost more. It'd be the same as putting the minimum wage to £100 an hour. We'd have more money, but suddenly a cup of coffee would cost a tenner and council tax quadruples. It was never possible for premier league clubs to all make much more money whilst still paying the same for players.
Not just Pogba but Higuain as well, to be honest I don't think Neymar is to blame as there were reports about Monaco's 130m price tag on Mbappe long before Neymar's move to PSG.
But yes Pogba looks a bargain at 89m now considering the fees banded about for 'lesser' players like Countinho, Mbappe and Dembele
Oh Rio, Rio weekly cost of more than 500 Grande
Don't think the current market climate can be pinned on the Pogba transfer at all. While I think the world record being smashed 2 years running certainly raises the bar, and hence the relative values of all transfers happening since, for me the major issue is all the tv money floating in the PL at the moment. Mid to lower-tier PL clubs are under very little financial pressure to sell for what would've been deemed more reasonable prices in the past, while at the same time, easily throwing cash at foreign clubs for their own transfers. It's meant that foreign clubs selling to PL teams have added in TV-premiums to the transfer fee as a matter of course.
It would be interesting to see what a transfer list for June-July 2017 looks like where English teams are not involved, as apart from the Neymar deal, the fees are probably alot less inflated.
It would be interesting to see what a transfer list for June-July 2017 looks like where English teams are not involved, as apart from the Neymar deal, the fees are probably alot less inflated.
I more see it as we were one transfer window ahead of the game, in respects to pogba.
It's worth noting (as I'm sure many do) that at these high numbers, the exchange rate makes a massive difference to the price reported in the UK. 200 million today was 150 million 2 years ago.
Still mega money, but at over 100 million the exchange rate is can make a massive difference to the reported fee.
Still mega money, but at over 100 million the exchange rate is can make a massive difference to the reported fee.
I don't think we did. £89m was a reasonable fee for a 23-year old top class midfielder who was widely considered as one of the best midfielders in the world and comfortably had another 10 years at top level in him, even in the 'previous' market before huge inflation we are seeing this year.
I think what Juventus did with Higuain was way worse. They paid €90m for a nearly 30-year old forward who was never really considered world class and had to leave Real Madrid for a smaller club to succeed. That was, and still is baffling.
I don't really get why £20m players have become £50m players overnight. It's absolutely silly. Two years ago people were surprised Everton were ready to pay £27m for Lukaku and were not sure they'd get a good profit for him in the future. Now hardly anyone has questioned his £75m fee. That is completely strange.
I think what Juventus did with Higuain was way worse. They paid €90m for a nearly 30-year old forward who was never really considered world class and had to leave Real Madrid for a smaller club to succeed. That was, and still is baffling.
I don't really get why £20m players have become £50m players overnight. It's absolutely silly. Two years ago people were surprised Everton were ready to pay £27m for Lukaku and were not sure they'd get a good profit for him in the future. Now hardly anyone has questioned his £75m fee. That is completely strange.
People abuse the term market rate. Market is based on the premise of large quantities of transactions were demand and supply mechanisms determine the price. Football transfers are for from ideal while talking about 'going rates'
I blame city for spending £50 million on John Stones.
Pogba cost less as a percent of Man United's total revenue than Rio Ferdinand cost. The richest clubs are rich enough to finance 100m deals and probably 150m deals. Given United could pay 90m or 100m for Lukaku who with all due respect to him isn't world class, it is possible they could go much higher too.
The oil barrons have now upped their investment because they simply can and they are in it to become number 1.
It's been a long time since a genuinely world class player moved so Neymar was always going to go for much more than Pogba and Lukaku
The oil barrons have now upped their investment because they simply can and they are in it to become number 1.
It's been a long time since a genuinely world class player moved so Neymar was always going to go for much more than Pogba and Lukaku
I have no statistics to back this up, but it feels like this summer has seen far fewer transfers happening than previous summers. If true, it can only be down to the escalating transfer fees. Once the market starts to slow down, fees will have to come down again because the movement of players is fundamental to the game.
Exactly. At the top, rarity becomes a factor very quickly. If we really want to talk about going rate and market value then we have to concentrate on run of mill players and prospects, these players are getting wages and transfer fees that doesn't reflect anything serious or credible.
The total quantity of money has increased due to the new TV deals, this caused the inflation of prices. The only baffling thing would be if it didn't happened exactly in this way. The Pogba transfer is the consequence, not the cause of the said inflation.
No, very likely PSG would have triggered the Neymar clause anyway.
No but our transfer dealings have certainly fed into the current "crazy" market.