Because the league is now awash with money and buying those players costs as much now as players from other leagues. See Rice and Caicedo prices. Sometimes buying from other leagues is cheaper also.Our 1992-2013 success was built on buying the best talent from the lower clubs in the PL.
The type of moves we've gone away from in the last 10 years in favour of expensive flops from inferior leagues.
Premier league proven is huge but so many turn their noses up at it.
Can't help but think in the hands of a competent manager these players would perform.every week it's more and more clear - this will go down as our worst transfer window in ages
Now it is but we've also blown our advantage we had over the rest in the last 10 years. Buying from other leagues might be cheaper but has mostly been a disaster for us.Because the league is now awash with money and buying those players costs as much now as players from other leagues. See Rice and Caicedo prices. Sometimes buying from other leagues is cheaper also.
Buying in general has been a disaster for us.Now it is but we've also blown our advantage we had over the rest in the last 10 years. Buying from other leagues might be cheaper but has mostly been a disaster for us.
Hojlund still think has 2 years of development in him. He just doesn't make the right runs and doesn't have the positioning yet. I do not think it's manager related.Can't help but think in the hands of a competent manager these players would perform.
In fairness Maguire has not been a big waste though not exactly a huge success either but he has had a couple good seasons here and after this current season we could probably move him on for a good fee as his reputation has gone right up again.Another colossal waste of money, to add to Ole's trash heap.
Anthony, Mount, Onana, Hojlund, Sancho, Maguire = £450 mil worth of prime talent.
More than £100 mil a season we're splurging and not a single one would get into a Liverpool, Arsenal or City side.
The cheaper abroad buys are getting more and more rare though. For the minor difference sometimes just go for proven.Because the league is now awash with money and buying those players costs as much now as players from other leagues. See Rice and Caicedo prices. Sometimes buying from other leagues is cheaper also.
Why do you think we would move Maguire? The board must be jizzing over his resurgence. 1 less position to neglect and worry about for them.In fairness Maguire has not been a big waste though not exactly a huge success either but he has had a couple good seasons here and after this current season we could probably move him on for a good fee as his reputation has gone right up again.
Cause he is not that good, will be 31 next summer, entering his final year of his contract.Why do you think we would move Maguire? The board must be jizzing over his resurgence. 1 less position to neglect and worry about for them.
Maguire had a really good first season, good 2nd season, then he struggled enormously before pulling out one of the best mental victories ever in the Prem to get back to where he is now. Its a bit unfair to call Maguire a waste.Another colossal waste of money, to add to Ole's trash heap.
Anthony, Mount, Onana, Hojlund, Sancho, Maguire = £450 mil worth of prime talent.
More than £100 mil a season we're splurging and not a single one would get into a Liverpool, Arsenal or City side.
As matter of fact, those are the price I would pay at that time, and its not even on hindsight of how they failed badly here:Another colossal waste of money, to add to Ole's trash heap.
Anthony, Mount, Onana, Hojlund, Sancho, Maguire = £450 mil worth of prime talent.
More than £100 mil a season we're splurging and not a single one would get into a Liverpool, Arsenal or City side.
Of course he has been a big waste of money. We overpaid obscenely for him. I agree, he had one good season and some decent phases but still - he embodies the mistakes we made. Letting a situation get so out of hand that you are forced to act. It is almost funny seeing we managed to "achieve" the same perk then again with Antony.In fairness Maguire has not been a big waste though not exactly a huge success either but he has had a couple good seasons here and after this current season we could probably move him on for a good fee as his reputation has gone right up again.
Put Onana's mistakes to one side and ask yourself, is the United team, especially defence and midfield, able to benefit from a ball playing goalkeeper?Of course he has been a big waste of money. We overpaid obscenely for him. I agree, he had one good season and some decent phases but still - he embodies the mistakes we made. Letting a situation get so out of hand that you are forced to act. It is almost funny seeing we managed to "achieve" the same perk then again with Antony.
I don't really see the sense to evaluate stuff like that from hindsight. Lets try to make as few mistakes as possible right now and going forward. Bringing in Onana is only a waste because he struggles now. But in the summer, while it might have been a bit of a gamble, it certainly wasn't a mistake. He was named by Pep as one of the standout players in Inters CL run. And lets face it, Maignan or Costa would have been even more expensive.
At this time, non would get in a Liverpool side.Another colossal waste of money, to add to Ole's trash heap.
Anthony, Mount, Onana, Hojlund, Sancho, Maguire = £450 mil worth of prime talent.
More than £100 mil a season we're splurging and not a single one would get into a Liverpool, Arsenal or City side.
Mount probably has the highest chance to be successful there.At this time, non would get in a Liverpool side.
But if they had been signed by Liverpool, under Klopp's philosophy, and come into a happy dressing room and functioning team, then there is every chance most would have had success.
Was going to argue with this post but thinking about it you're completely spot on. A ball playing goalkeeper is a luxury, we'd need comfortable centre backs, midfielders and full backs to ever benefit. I'm not convinced wan Bissaka, Maguire, Dalot, McTominay, or whoever else in our squad are comfortable enough in possession to ever make a ball playing goalkeeper worth it. What's the point having a GK get 100% pass completion if your players just lose the ball 10 seconds later anyway. Then you've got the basic goalkeeping errors when the ball comes back the other way too, it's just been a disaster of a signing.Put Onana's mistakes to one side and ask yourself, is the United team, especially defence and midfield, able to benefit from a ball playing goalkeeper?
The fact we have so few press resistant midfielders who are comfortable receiving the ball facing their own goal, tells me that we were never ready for a keeper like Onana.
It is a bit chicken or egg, but I think you improve the midfield first, then bring in the keeper. Ten Hag did it the other way round.
I think they definitely could be. Martinez is at least a level above Maguire and especially Lindelof so losing him and Shaw effected the backline pretty heavily. But I get your point, Onanas standout features are his ball playing ability. And currently, we aren't ready to play him to his strength. I am not sure though, if it would have made sense to go for different solution. I'd argue that you don't make any experiments in this position and you are only bringing in players you consider ready to be a longterm solution.Put Onana's mistakes to one side and ask yourself, is the United team, especially defence and midfield, able to benefit from a ball playing goalkeeper?
I agree, the odds weren't great. But to be fair, the midfield quality was also effected by injuries. And a few other systematic things. I see your point but who would you have gone for? Raya for 40 million? Diogo Costa or Maignan for even more money? There were no obvious candidates in my eyes (and still aren't). Onana is a good keeper and a standout in terms of ball playing ability. So it isn't like he hasn't something going for him. He fecked up a few times this season and he isn't perfect, I agree. And paying 50 million hurt a bit but it is the keeper, you don't try to save a few bucks with this. It seems his attitude is good, he is brave, good on the ball and his usefulness will increase even more the better we get as a ball playing team.The fact we have so few press resistant midfielders who are comfortable receiving the ball facing their own goal, tells me that we were never ready for a keeper like Onana.
Good point. There are few people who thought it may have been more sensible to stick to Henderson for another year and improve defense and midfield first. To be fair, ETH brought in Mount who (for sure) isn't hurting the teams ball playing abilities. Also Hendo was a bit burned and DDG was so bad with his feet that I understand ETHs wish to improve there.It is a bit chicken or egg, but I think you improve the midfield first, then bring in the keeper. Ten Hag did it the other way round.
He's probably regretting choosing us over Liverpool currently.Mount probably has the highest chance to be successful there.
Bingo! We got it wrong with Onana as we just don’t have the squad to play to his strengths. Onana, or a young ball playing keeper, should have been brought in behind De Gea to push for and eventually take the job. As it is, Onana is now fukked in the head and he’s conceding a ridiculous number of goals. We pushed him into the fast lane if the autobahn and it’s not at all hard to see him take the same early off-ramp as Carroll and Howard who had a little something to their game but were in way over their heads.Was going to argue with this post but thinking about it you're completely spot on. A ball playing goalkeeper is a luxury, we'd need comfortable centre backs, midfielders and full backs to ever benefit. I'm not convinced wan Bissaka, Maguire, Dalot, McTominay, or whoever else in our squad are comfortable enough in possession to ever make a ball playing goalkeeper worth it. What's the point having a GK get 100% pass completion if your players just lose the ball 10 seconds later anyway. Then you've got the basic goalkeeping errors when the ball comes back the other way too, it's just been a disaster of a signing.
Are you fecking unable to read? I said if we bought Kane: did we buy Kane?Are you fecking serious? In what basket are our eggs this way? In Onana’s?
Said this in early November and stand by it.It was an almost unbelievably idiotic transfer window, as many pointed out and were shouted down.
I was stunned at not only how blatantly and obviously bad all of the outfield signings were, but also by how willingly people deluded themselves that they were sound deals.
Not so much anymore when you see 70 million getting us hojlund, 80 million for Antony, 100 million for nunez, 120 million for Fernández and 65 million for szoboszlai.Because the league is now awash with money and buying those players costs as much now as players from other leagues. See Rice and Caicedo prices. Sometimes buying from other leagues is cheaper also.
How did the Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Schneiderlin, Sanchez moves go in your opinion?Our 1992-2013 success was built on buying the best talent from the lower clubs in the PL.
The type of moves we've gone away from in the last 10 years in favour of expensive flops from inferior leagues.
Premier league proven is huge but so many turn their noses up at it.
It's hard to think of many signings we've made in that period that have undeniably been successes for more than a season or 2.Majority of signings over the last 10 years have been a waste of money.
Maguire overpriced but reliable for the majority of his time. I'd have bought him from Hull for £15m.How did the Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Schneiderlin, Sanchez moves go in your opinion?
You could just apply this logic to the signings from other leagues though.Maguire overpriced but reliable for the majority of his time. I'd have bought him from Hull for £15m.
Wan Bissaka, ill thought out for how we'd like to play. Still far better than Dalot.
Sanchez never made sense (bought for the LW) ridiculous contract. Disaster.
Schneiderlin, thought it would have gone a lot better. Didn't lose a lot on him.
Just because we've bought the wrong ones because of our terrible management doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do. The likes of Mane, Mahrez, Stones, Grealish, Van Dijk are all transfers we could have easily made ourselves.
Maybe, point stands that domestic signings are what we mainly built our success on and far less risky. We can't afford it now anyway.You could just apply this logic to the signings from other leagues though.
Fair speculation but surely Antony and Onana have disgraced themselves not because of ten Hag.Can't help but think in the hands of a competent manager these players would perform.
