Do you ever wonder what training is like?

In general I find it weird how we still have so many players in our starting XI that play in such a gambling, low percentage kind of way. We have:
  • Bruno hitting hollywood passes directly to the opposition
  • Casemiro charging into a tackle only to get bypassed by a small feint
  • Rashford dribbling into three players and losing the ball
  • Antony cutting in and launching a shot high and wide
  • Dalot playing a square pass in the middle of the pitch to no one
These are repeat mistakes that you wouldnt be surprised to see twice, or even three times within a match.

I feel that if we're going to go anywhere, we need to start seeing these habits change through the season. You can be an exciting, high-intensity transition team without having players making insanely low probability decisons multiple times per match.
 
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Marwood said:
True but after more than a year with the squad there shouldn't be a need to go massively heavy on set up and tactics. If you haven't got it through to your players by then I don't think you ever will.
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In theory yes We shouldn’t need this long.
But it was a full year with
- a world cup in the middle of the season
- late stages in every competition we played.

We were the team to play the most games last season across european league. It doesn’t surprise me that we’re not tactically fully drilled or that we’re suffering so many injuries right now.

The only thing I’d hold against the manager was that he didn’t seem to push for a pre-season more focused on football imperatives rather than commercial.
 
Dalot plays Martial in with an impressive cross field pass, except that Martial isn't on the same team as him. Martial doesn't collect the pass because he isn't actually there, but then it comes to Rashford because Lindelof runs away from it for no reason. Rashford runs into Lindelof who clears the ball straight back to Rashford, who shoots it back into Lindelof, causing Varane to pick up an injury. Mctominay picks up the loose ball amd scores except it counts as a goal for Scotland. The training session ends 0-0 after Antony attempts to use his right foot and kicks the only remaining ball into the neighbour's garden.

Van Der Beek is an unused sub.
 
I mean judging by the games, I'd hazard a guess that training is a crazy mess of players just doing whatever they feel like.

I imagine Rashford is someone who can look ok against his team mates who won't want to risk injury or put on too much pressure, I can't see any other way he could keep getting picked for a PL side, let alone United.
 
Coaches shouting gibberish at players "Hoobla hoobla, go kick, run, fast fast fast, score goal. Yessshh good do it again, hoobla hoobla".
 
Can poor training be the fault of ten Hag?

What was he doing at Ajax, having a smoke and a pancake with the lads?
 
Two most popular boys pick teams. Best you can hope you end up somewhere respectable, not at the end with McTom and the kid with the 1000 yard stare.
 
sometimes wonder if other clubs have their players making as many silly videos for the club tv channel and modelling for the shop as much as ours do
 
I bet they have great fun in training, but for several years now, I've thought the players looked shocked that on game day, the opposition are actually competing.
 
Nope, just have a look game time and it will tell you....
 
rimaldo said:
it’s just ten hag constantly trying to get them to have saunas. “rashy, notish how you mishcontolled that chance v copenhagen? probably jusht a little tenshe. quick shauna, maybe?”
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Share a shauna with the Dutch Master, perhaps?
 
I just have this image of Hannibal running around hacking everyone.
 
redzombie said:
sometimes wonder if other clubs have their players making as many silly videos for the club tv channel and modelling for the shop as much as ours do
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That really grinds my gears to see them all happy and smiling in promo pics when they have just lost.
 
Players can't train too late nowadays as there will be complain of them going back in the dark.
 
.Phil1968 said:
I'd like to see them being beasted on the Brecon Beacons. Probably wouldn't do them any good but I'd just like to see it
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:lol: get the DS from SAS who dares wins on the coaching staff. Might help them learn more about being team players too....
 
redzombie said:
sometimes wonder if other clubs have their players making as many silly videos for the club tv channel and modelling for the shop as much as ours do
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This has crossed my mind aswell. All the marketing stuff must get in the way of the players time to some degree.

You could just imagine Erik demanding a couple of extra sessions out of the players only to be slapped down by the marketing execs because there's an important photo shoot for a new office supply company we've partnered with.
 
The players are ridiculously slow, out of pace. All the teams we’ve faced so far easily outrun us. I doubt it’s an attitude issue.
 
Marwood said:
Well you wouldn't know, having not been inside any of these facilities.
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Well I've been inside Old Trafford recently, and it's hardly state-of-the-art. It's gone from being a stadium that was fit to host the Champions League final in 2003, to a stadium with a leaking roof and horrid facilities. Somehow I doubt Carrington has become state-of-the-art whilst Old Trafford has been neglected. But hey - maybe you're right and the Glazers have invested a shit ton of money to make Carrington rival City's training complex whilst simultaneously not spending a penny of their own money on the stadium.
 
Yanited__ said:
Have no clue. Whenever I see us play, it seems very rigid. Today of all games, in particular the first half, reminded of LVG's style of play.

Feels like the players are being given a lot of instructions and only a few can cope with it. That's why I think he probably keeps Antony in the team, he seems like a player from a tactical point of view who understands exactly everything he needs to do. A lot of the other players can look clueless at times.

Again, not exactly sure but it feels like whatever we are doing is going to waste, especially when we look the most threatening on the counter-attack/in transitions, which is what the players are used to already.
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I think you nailed it on the head...players are overwhelmed with instructions...they are trying to 3 things at the same time, it comes off wrong...

For the people saying they are walking - is it possible that they work them "too hard" in practice, hence, they have nothing left for games & maybe the cause of so many injuries

These lads are pros...those other teams simply have a more consistant starting XI - that's all!
 
noodlehair said:
Dalot plays Martial in with an impressive cross field pass, except that Martial isn't on the same team as him. Martial doesn't collect the pass because he isn't actually there, but then it comes to Rashford because Lindelof runs away from it for no reason. Rashford runs into Lindelof who clears the ball straight back to Rashford, who shoots it back into Lindelof, causing Varane to pick up an injury. Mctominay picks up the loose ball amd scores except it counts as a goal for Scotland. The training session ends 0-0 after Antony attempts to use his right foot and kicks the only remaining ball into the neighbour's garden.

Van Der Beek is an unused sub.
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:lol:
 
Why do we look levels below even Championship teams when trying to pass? I genuinely don't think we could string 15 passes together with a team pressing us. I watch the u21s and u18s zip it about with more venom and accuracy than this bunch. Our passing is so laboured and easy to read, it's often half a yard behind and slows everything all the way down. We pass the ball straight out of play more than any other team, I'd put my life on it. Even when we do find ourselves in good positions, the strikers have absolutley zero chemistry or understanding of where the crosser wants them to be. We do many amateurish things I just don't see other teams do.
 
Was t there just an article about us training at a slower pace to stay fresh? Thats idiotic if true. Trainings should be intense to build strength and stamina.
 
If they need to take it easy in training in order to stay fresh while playing once a week, what are they doing the rest of the time? Heroin benders?
 
We look like a bunch of randoms playing their very first game together. Everytime. Everyone takes an age on the ball to look and search for his teammate.
 
klayton88 said:
Why do we look levels below even Championship teams when trying to pass? I genuinely don't think we could string 15 passes together with a team pressing us. I watch the u21s and u18s zip it about with more venom and accuracy than this bunch. Our passing is so laboured and easy to read, it's often half a yard behind and slows everything all the way down. We pass the ball straight out of play more than any other team, I'd put my life on it. Even when we do find ourselves in good positions, the strikers have absolutley zero chemistry or understanding of where the crosser wants them to be. We do many amateurish things I just don't see other teams do.
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We do not value midfielders who pass. And by extension players who pass. At this point it's a heritage thing
 
We don't look pumped up when we come out , I don't know what pre match music we have in the dressing room, we need some Norwegian thrash metal to get us going. I've got a terrible feeling we listen to Lewis Capaldi.
 
Training should be harder than the games and the mentality going in to the game should be that they'd rather die than lose. If these conditions are not met you'll never be champions because that's what it takes. Every time I see training pictures/videos all I see is laughing and joking and banter with light work. When we lose or draw it doesn't hurt the players anywhere near the levels it should. These are standards set from the top down, players themselves can't solve it.
 
Godfather said:
We look like a bunch of randoms playing their very first game together. Everytime. Everyone takes an age on the ball to look and search for his teammate.
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The only chemistry I see consistently is Amad and Mbuemo...other than that you're right, it looks like a pick-up game.
 
bgoodall said:
Was t there just an article about us training at a slower pace to stay fresh? Thats idiotic if true. Trainings should be intense to build strength and stamina.
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I bet it's not that.
I wonder if the reason we train at a slower pace is because we haven't mastered the structure of the play in all phases, and so by necessity we have to go slower until it becomes muscle memory, so to speak.
 
In ancelottis book quiet leadership, he said during his first time there, madrid higher ups were consistently unhappy and felt they were not training enough. Ancelotti said it was better to train at high tempo than longer at lower intensity.

Also in a book about guardiola, supposedly rondos are very big in his training wherever he goes.
 
To add to my previous post, I remember klopp saying to four four two magazine that you don't train pressing as a tactic to players, you train it to be an impulse. Supposedly Liverpool under klopp did something called circadian rhythm training and trained at night to conditions their bodies to be better prepared for matches at night.

Perhaps all clubs do this but the article made it seem specific to Liverpool at the time. Supposedly players were unhappy with how intense klopps training was at the start. Supposedly he had them doing 2-3 training sessions a day.
 
I remember reading back when Hodgson was manager of Liverpool, he had the team torres was on have more players than the opposition in training to help him get his confidence back.

In fergusons book, he said berbatov used to do things too slow at times, so had him do drills and things in training at high speed to help him improve in that regard.

I remember when Ronaldo first joined madrid during preseason, he said pellegrini was having the team do a second training session in evening or somewhat late. He said this was new to him.

In an old four four two magazine, they said if a coach has issues with his teams fitness and doesn't have time to do fitness training in addition to other important stuff, increase the length of sessions, circuits and other parts of traing and it should improve the fitness. I don't know if that is good advice but it sounds clever and useful.
 
bgoodall said:
Was t there just an article about us training at a slower pace to stay fresh? Thats idiotic if true. Trainings should be intense to build strength and stamina.
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Well Amorin said last season that he picks the team on how hard they have trained during the week, so goodness knows how the players left out have been training. The new signing Leon is supposed to be one of the best in training yet gets nowhere near the team, other clubs put young players in, we are scared stiff of any mistake being made. Its a club happy with mid table mediocrity as long as 73000 keep turning up.
 
Still can't make ten passes. Still pass the ball straight out of play more than any other team. This has happened under multiple managers. Sunday league levels at times during every game we play.
 
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