Yes, I wouldn't disagree (though I am a big fan of Jones and Smalling). I'm just saying that comparing Mourinho's situation to SAF's in the 80s isn't fair.
Does who we sign next really matter anymore
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Yeah. I'm just going by what Jose said in his first season, about identifying four types of player he wanted and being fairly sure of getting three of them. I don't think he said "sign Pogba", "sign Sanchez" etc.
We have a habit of signing players post Gill/Ferguson, who either have nothing left to prove or who think they don't have anything to prove...and we almost seem to sign them on a whim. I can guarantee you wont be reading any stories about Woodward and Jose/LVG/Moyes/whoever going to meet a player's family, or researching their backround etc.
You might be right about it not just being the first couple of years. All I can go on is that, for all of his faults, there is no way LVG said "sign me Di Maria and Falcao and then I'll decide if I want them or not"
I do genuinely think the main problem post Ferguson is coming from above the manager...whatever manager we get seems to struggle to implement any kind of plan, all three have moaned to the press about things happening too slowly in regards to contracts, signings etc. Jose has even now done it while under employment by the club and LVG hinted at it while he was working here more than once.
Yeah I absolutely agree, even disregarding the state of the squads both managers took over, we're a much bigger club with much bigger expectations now. That's thanks to the manager that took over the arguably worse squad as well, so Jose has a lot to do still to reach the clubs expectations.
I often feel a lot of the signings are by the club like Luke Shaw, Martial, Mkhitaryan. Morgan. Jose didn't seem to have a plan with Mkhi and Jose left him out early on, just doesn't feel like a Jose signing. Di Maria seems like another. Other clubs do well at this, doesn't matter who the manager is.
A common theme though is whether it's a club or manager signing, the players who've come in look shattered and frustrated after 10 games under all three managers.
Ultimately it's been a quick fix mentality since Mata in my view, from the board, and managers.
Depay was another lets buy before someone else does, like a committee signing. The left wing has seen too many players trying to fill one role and now we've bought Sanchez, we won't play him on the right and I think he should've played centrally against Sevilla. Why do we keep flooding the left with players and upsetting others.
A common theme though is whether it's a club or manager signing, the players who've come in look shattered and frustrated after 10 games under all three managers.
Ultimately it's been a quick fix mentality since Mata in my view, from the board, and managers.
Depay was another lets buy before someone else does, like a committee signing. The left wing has seen too many players trying to fill one role and now we've bought Sanchez, we won't play him on the right and I think he should've played centrally against Sevilla. Why do we keep flooding the left with players and upsetting others.
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Once again the real gold is in your last paragraph. Too much seems to rest on Ed’s shoulders. He’s clearly a bright and capable chap, and a quick learner, but his main focus is on keeping the Glazers happy rather than ensuring the manager’s plan gets full backing (i.e. not just providing the cash). I’m well aware that a Director of Football is not a guaranteed panacea, and brings its own problems, but the appointment of one would at least be an acknowledgement from the club that the existing structure isn’t working.
Really ?
Remind me who were the hardened drinkers in the great Liverpool teams of the 80’s. If there were any they couldn’t hold a candle to the likes of Robson, McGrath, Whiteside etc from the team Fergie inherited.
It's posts like these that make me worry about posters on here sometimes. There's some red flags for major depressive symptoms in the OP and some of the comments.
Well...I wouldn't create worry for yourself. A lot of what you read on the Caf is a stream of consciousness! Fleetingly made in the moment. Then they are off doing real things in their real lives, including myself! I don't take this place seriously at all, otherwise one would go insane
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Thanks for your kind words but i am not depressed . Disappointed and angry for sure but that also kind of lasts only a couple of days after a loss nowI don’t like the style, but I love winning. We are in far better shape now under Mourinho than we were when he took over.
In and around 4th-7th to firmly 2nd, back in the Champions League every year, better quality of squad, better winning mentality.
Awful performance against Sevilla though, from the players and the manager
I think Fergie would have been the hipsters choice back then too. Consistently getting the most out of the Aberdeen team on a lower budget, super hands on. Good football etc.
Totally agree with this!
Those most important addition we could add to what we have is an attacking coach and for the manager to then insist the squad attacks as a unit. We have shown we can defend its going at teams without fear thats the issue. Impose ourselves on teams and make them fear us again.
Assuming the signings had proved successful (and in one players case he was still able to play at a high level which considering what pirlo did isn’t too hard to fathom) we could have been able to play a midfield of
Matic
Schweinsteiger
Pogba
And had a forward line of
Di Maria
Falcao
Sanchez
You have two of those players for all intents and purposes nowhere near the level expected, and 3 flops.
This is forgetting all about Mkhitaryan, schneiderlin, Depay and a few other debatables.
So really, in answer to the thread title it doesn’t matter one bit who we sign, it’s who signs them and who tells them how they want them to play on the field.
I’m left with no other logical conclusion that we have yet to employ the correct coaching staff (from top to bottom) since SAF retired.
Matic
Schweinsteiger
Pogba
And had a forward line of
Di Maria
Falcao
Sanchez
You have two of those players for all intents and purposes nowhere near the level expected, and 3 flops.
This is forgetting all about Mkhitaryan, schneiderlin, Depay and a few other debatables.
So really, in answer to the thread title it doesn’t matter one bit who we sign, it’s who signs them and who tells them how they want them to play on the field.
I’m left with no other logical conclusion that we have yet to employ the correct coaching staff (from top to bottom) since SAF retired.