Well in the event of a tie we go by average pick time, that was the whole point of recording times.
Dominoes draft: R1 - idmanager vs Lord Sinister
- Thread starter Tuppet
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A vote I could never have won in this case
He was rightfully considered as the super favorite in the drafting process. So, I haven't hesitated.A vote I could never have won in this case
That said, if I start to overthink, then I could subject to biaises so better not to vote in this case.
Well, I haven't registered to this draft because I didn't want to spend time on the game threads
More than 30 minutes to write my previous post 
Tuppet make a shadow vote very easy to organise (2 convo * 5 people = 10 voters) so that I'm not the deciding factor once again
This is as interesting as following WW
Let's have a lynch vote to decide the winner.
I'll save you the trouble and let @Lord SInister take this one. I'll win my next first round. Fourth time's the charm hopefully
Cheers!
Cheers!
Spill the beans.
1) How did you come to "understand"?
2) Did you write to him? Did he answer? Did he just ignore you altogether?
3) The last bit sounds somewhat unfair. Basically you are admitting after being offered the AM job you couldn't vote against him. That to me falls exactly into the rationale behind AMs -regardless of their degrees of involvement- being partial and therefore their votes being void.
Please God no, what a shite way to settle things. I remember once drawing a final and the suggested tiebreaker being that the only manager NOT to have voted had the casting vote. The other team had 3 key players he had originally picked that had become reinforcements. I never had a chance.
Same shit here, pick a bunch of randomers and the glitz factor would most likely prevail rendering the gamethread completely pointless.
Yaaay!
Sorry mate, you are not avoiding the lynch mob.I'll save you the trouble and let @Lord SInister take this one. I'll win my next first round. Fourth time's the charm hopefully
Cheers!
@Tuppet, just randomly post a 12 hour poll on the general with no link or explanation:
"Who should we lynch?"
1) Lord Sinister
2) idmanager
3) E(cstatic)boue
Let's see how that pans out.
It's a tricky situation as if Ecstatic vote is voided then idmanager wins.
Think it's up to @Tuppet to decide what to do with this one as from what I've seen in terms of discussion (missed fair bit of it personally) Ecstatic was fairly involved from the start.
He's one of the posters that is always engaged in discussion as a neutral so that shouldn't be held against him mind(on the contrary - always better to have more opinions). But again it depends on if he somehow influenced voters based on them thinking him as an AM or as a neutral.
There's no point in that tbh. There is a tiebreaker in place already - the draft times. If the score is tied then idmanager wins. If your vote is as a neutral and would stand Lord Sinister wins.
I really hate penos (not that I ever won one of those) as you know and hope that is dead and buried as a tie-breaker for good.
If you want my honest point of view, Lord had clearly a better team especially if I compare both back 6 on a defensive standpoint.
Unconsciously partial? In theory maybe but I was certainly more partial than some posters who had an obvious agenda.
Once again, Tuppet can select 10 guys comprised of:
- former draft participants like Balu, marty1968, redtiger....
- pure randomers
They read the thread and take a decision and tuppet count the voters.
Very quickly to organise: 2 or 3 convo, copy paste the same initial message, say 8-9 minutes max required
oh feck, How am I gonna decide this.
alright, here's a simple enough metric - @Ecstatic did you exchange any PMs regarding this game with @Lord SInister ? If yes then your vote is voided, I understand that you did not do too much of AM thing here and your post were mostly balanced, but many AMs don't participate much in the games and their votes are still not counted. If not than your vote would be valid.
Sorry guys but we are not doing another poll.
alright, here's a simple enough metric - @Ecstatic did you exchange any PMs regarding this game with @Lord SInister ? If yes then your vote is voided, I understand that you did not do too much of AM thing here and your post were mostly balanced, but many AMs don't participate much in the games and their votes are still not counted. If not than your vote would be valid.
Sorry guys but we are not doing another poll.
I don't get this ecstatic issue. He was never an AM to begin with, even the job previously announced to him was not of an assistant manager to start with. It was merely of an messenger who would paste my PMs.
Secondary the offer expired when I got promoted and link below is of me clearing about the cancelling the offer.
But let tuppet and draft Lords take the decision.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/dominoes-draft.433182/page-60#post-21701023
Secondary the offer expired when I got promoted and link below is of me clearing about the cancelling the offer.
But let tuppet and draft Lords take the decision.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/dominoes-draft.433182/page-60#post-21701023
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Why don't you guys simply tell us if you ever had any PMs regarding your team at any stage like Tuppet above is asking? A simple yes or no please.
No.
Cool, I am gonna count @Ecstatic vote in that case and you win. Congratulations.
Hard luck @idmanager that was a magnificent effort.
@Ecstatic you really don't need to do this -
No one is going to accuse of betrayal or whatever, its just a draft game.
Great game.
Controversial game? Amateurs... still have some way to go to match up to euro gate and keeper gate.
@Tuppet , I don't get how a vote can be counted when I could have had the better team and still would not have won the vote. It was either 0-1 or 0-0 for me if left to Ecstatic even if I had Krol/Figueroa/Moore/Cafu in defense.
Anyways, good game nevertheless. Good luck going ahead, @Lord SInister
Well if they never PM about the game, then Ecstatic wasn't really much of an AM to LC. He might have been biased but there is no rule against that. He is free to vote or not vote for whatever reason as long as they are not collaborating.
As I quoted Ecstatic above, he would not have voted for me even if the teams for exchanged due to the prior AM request.
I have a better team : Score 0-0
He has a better team - Score 0-1
That makes no sense when counting votes.
Oh ok, that makes it fair enough then. Might as well had not showed up.
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you did a great job too.
From 13-4 to 19-18, awesome job convincing and presenting your tacts.
To avoid any dispute, I've already expressed the fairer solution for both parties:
- Tuppet starts 2 new conversations, he invites 5 people per conversation, the message being "based on the match thread you will read, who has the better team?"
- Selected people: those who know how drafts works but didn't vote (there is the choice: balu, marty1968, redtiger, brwned in love,...) OR/AND randomly picked redcafe member
- Very quick to put in place
- The only requirement is to know how to count
Now, do what you want
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- Tuppet starts 2 new conversations, he invites 5 people per conversation, the message being "based on the match thread you will read, who has the better team?"
- Selected people: those who know how drafts works but didn't vote (there is the choice: balu, marty1968, redtiger, brwned in love,...) OR/AND randomly picked redcafe member
- Very quick to put in place
- The only requirement is to know how to count
Now, do what you want
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It's somewhat biased/unfair but didn't have an impact from the moment he did think LoSin had the better team.
Would have been harsh if the score were tied and he had deliberately NOT voted despite thinking you had the better team.
Too much text.
You need to put an XI of regulars, another with randomers. Blue shirts, yellow shirts, wikipedia pitch format... Go.
Honestly don't see an end to the argument mate. I will never find it fair, others might.
Better left alone rather than discuss how much grey is okay.
Didn't want to continue playing and winning this way anyways.
Being a neutral non-player sounds like a much better proposition though for future drafts at least for me.
Let others sulk picking and then join in during match days. Personally enjoy the discussion more than picking even if I am not in the match.
And if THAT'S a draw?
Both draft noobs are getting a crash course in meltdown management. Welcome to real world of Caf footy drafts!
To be honest I agree with you — that was a rather strange argument that Ecstatic mentioned and it clearly marks him as biased. Not to say that he is somehow morally compromised, I, and everyone here, believe in his integrity, but that argument threw me off a bit. Anyway, let bygones be bygones.
Shouldn't be, @Tuppet chooses one of the XIs (experienced or random) and they are all forced to vote even if they don't have the faintest idea of what is going on. XI votes = no draw.
It's funny because I read it as saying IF he'd been Lord's AM, he wouldn't have voted.... not always easy to get across exactly what you mean in print on a screen?
As you say though, bygones.
Oh, you were being serious? I thought you were joking!
I'm useless at picking up on meaning from print. Need "Janet and John" style language and words of two syllables max.
I was joking. My jokes still are foolproof tie-break solutions, that's all.Oh, you were being serious? I thought you were joking!
I'm useless at picking up on meaning from print. Need "Janet and John" style language and words of two syllables max.
Shh, don't say that. You can't make an opinion without calling someone a cnut.
Irrespective of his posting, at beginning of match, I would have assumed he was an AM based on posts in draft thread. Harsh, but I think his vote should be excluded. Feel sorry for Sinister here, though. Incredibly bad luck.
Tuppet already gave the win to Sinister, so you shouldn't feel sorry for him
Thanks and no worries mate.
If not for the irrelevant controversy at the end, I actually enjoyed this match up a lot, with the number of people who actually got involved in the discussion, something which I cribbed about in my very first draft game in the 4-way draft.
I'll take bridging the gap in terms of votes after the 3-13 start as a moral victory, eitherways