Dominoes draft

[Enigma_87]

That's actually an interesting point. Certain positions (GK and often fullback) require the guy before you not needing one.

Imagine needing a goalie in the last round and the fecker behind you picks one

I would happily waste a sub on a second goalie if that bedlam was in the cards.

Doubt GK will be an issue going through the roster. Only 4 managers need a GK with (more than) 3 picks to go.

Think many used the GK as an escape route of filling in the required position whilst also passing and waiting for a better option as an outfield player.

 

[Ecstatic]

• 5. EAP - 1. C. Ronaldo (24) 2. Xavi (257) 3. D. Passarella (46) 4. F. Puskas (158) 5. M. Sindelar (180) 6. R. Gullit (27) 7. D. Simeone (630) 8. C. Fabregas (60) 9. T. Adams (60) 10. B. Lizarazu (84) 11. Ze Roberto (70)
• 6. Enigma - 1. L. Figo (23) 2. A. Iniesta (1) 3. K.-H. Rummenigge (44) 4. Di Stefano (14) 5. J. Bican (17) 6. F. Rijkaard (14) 7. R. Ayala (48) 8. A. Cole (39) 9. S. Campbell (38) 10. M. Ballack (42) 11. W. Sagnol (118)

Bayern 2005/06 - Conspiracy Watch

 

[Raees]

Think many used the GK as an escape route of filling in the required position whilst also passing and waiting for a better option as an outfield player.

Yep, not a great strategy mind you as this Draft has been stuck in the modern era for ages.

 

[Skizzo]

1. EAP - 1. C. Ronaldo (24) 2. Xavi (257) 3. D. Passarella (46) 4. F. Puskas (158) 5. M. Sindelar (180) 6. R. Gullit (27) 7. D. Simeone (630) 8. C. Fabregas (60) 9. T. Adams (60) 10. B. Lizarazu (84) 11. Ze Roberto (70)
   
   
2. Enigma - 1. L. Figo (23) 2. A. Iniesta (1) 3. K.-H. Rummenigge (44) 4. Di Stefano (14) 5. J. Bican (17) 6. F. Rijkaard (14) 7. R. Ayala (48) 8. A. Cole (39) 9. S. Campbell (38) 10. M. Ballack (42) 11. W. Sagnol (118)

Bayern 2005/06 - Conspiracy Watch

Also enigma's Ballack pick was exactly half the time of Edgar's Lizarazu pick. Not much on it's own, but when you consider Edgar is half the man Enigma is, it becomes more telling.

 

[Tuppet]

Also enigma's Ballack pick was exactly half the time of Edgar's Lizarazu pick. Not much on it's own, but when you consider Edgar is half the man Enigma is, it becomes more telling.

 

[Enigma_87]

Also enigma's Ballack pick was exactly half the time of Edgar's Lizarazu pick. Not much on it's own, but when you consider Edgar is half the man Enigma is, it becomes more telling.

 

[Moby]

Also enigma's Ballack pick was exactly half the time of Edgar's Lizarazu pick. Not much on it's own, but when you consider Edgar is half the man Enigma is, it becomes more telling.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

ffs

 

[diarm]

I'll take Mats Hummels. Could someone update the list for me as I'm travelling.

Can't believe I gave your man Messi and Maradona but he keeps trying to usher me towards Willie Gallas and Samir Nasri.

 

[idmanager]

1. 2mufc0/mazhar13 - 1. B. Robson (44) 2. R. Baggio (54) 3. F. Redondo (300) 4. A. Picchi (480) 5. W. Zeman (213) 6. R. Dierckx (519) 7. H. Sanchez (10) 8. J. Boateng (306) 9. P. Montero (75) 10. M. Camoranesi (375)
   
   
2. Cal? - 1. E. Cantona (17) 2. A. Nesta (23) 3. Cafu (7) 4. S. Mazzola (27) 5. F. Binder (74) 6. J. Ceulemans (55) 7. F. Hierro (13) 8. V Kompany (30) 9. E. van der Sar (38) 10. G. Pessotto (375)
   
   
3. Diarm - 1. D. Irwin (72) 2. Ronaldinho (453) 3. G. Batistuta (84) 4. L. Suarez Miramontes (111) 5. R. Schramseis (204) 6. M. Preud'Homme (78) 7. C. Seedorf (76) 8. S. Aguero (62) 9. D. Bergkamp (35) 10. D. Deschamps (24) 11. M. Hummels (60)
   
   
4. Lord Slnister - 1. R. Keane (88) 2. L. Messi (19) 3. D. Maradona (29) 4. S. Kocsis (40) 5. J. Smistik (690) 6. E. Gerets (111) 7. J. Stam (133) 8. D. de Gea (18) 9. R. Pires (39) 10. Tigana (67), 11. Ribery (46)
   
   
5. EAP - 1. C. Ronaldo (24) 2. Xavi (257) 3. D. Passarella (46) 4. F. Puskas (158) 5. M. Sindelar (180) 6. R. Gullit (27) 7. D. Simeone (630) 8. C. Fabregas (60) 9. T. Adams (60) 10. B. Lizarazu (84) 11. Ze Roberto (70)
   
   
6. Enigma - 1. L. Figo (23) 2. A. Iniesta (1) 3. K.-H. Rummenigge (44) 4. Di Stefano (14) 5. J. Bican (17) 6. F. Rijkaard (14) 7. R. Ayala (48) 8. A. Cole (39) 9. S. Campbell (38) 10. M. Ballack (42) 11. W. Sagnol (118)
   
   
7. idmanager - 1. L. Ronaldo (240) 2. T. Henry (40) 3. L. Matthäus (18) 4. F. Gento (30) 5. F. Plánička (24) 6. M. Overmars (330) 7. A. Costacurta (30) 8. G. Neville (85) 9. D. Beckham (45) 10. S. Hyypia (50) 11. S. Effenberg (30)
   
   
8. Pat Mustard - 1. Romario (38) 2. L. Thuram (69) 3. A. Brehme (16) 4. R. Kopa (35) 5. A. Puc (192) 6. P. Vieira (61) 7. A. Shevchenko (31) 8. N. Vidic (22) 9. J. Veron (178) 10. S. Gerrard (37) 11. O. Kahn (60)
   
   
9. Raees - 1. H. Stoichkov (120) 2. Z. Zidane (10) 3. M. Sammer (45) 4. J. Fontaine (139) 5. O. Nejedly (6) F. Cannavaro (190) 7. P. Cech (90) 8. R. Ferdinand (5) 9. A. Benarrivo (90) 10. J. Mascherano (100) 11. Lucio (33)
   
   
10. Sjor/Indnyc - 1. M. Laudrup (120) 2. M. Desailly (156) 3. G. Bergomi (113) 4. R. Jonquet (16) 5. B. Klenovec (280) 6. P. Nedved (65) 7. S. Eto'o (75) 8. P. Scholes (555) 9. C. Taffarel (300) 10. E. Cambiasso (450) 11. L. Bonucci (540)
    
    
11. Moby - 1. M. Platini (183) 2. M. Amoros (47) 3. G. Scirea (16) 4. R. Marche (207) 5. R. Braine (66) 6. A. Del Piero (11) 7. C. Puyol (305) 8. P. Evra (240) 9. G. Popescu (12) 10. C. Vieri (23) 11. G. Chiellini (128)
    
    
12. green_smiley - 1. J. Rep (24) 2. G. Weah (300) 3. C. Gentile (75) 4. E. Happel (150) 5. B. Voorhoof (240) 6. J. Kohler (32) 7. E. Abidal (28) 8. R. Giggs (200) 9. P. Guardiola (45) 10. G. Gattuso (70) 11. Tiago (390)
    
    
13. Tuppet - 1. J. Cruyff (55) 2. E. Davids (124) 3. Z. Boniek (18) 4. E. Ocwirk (92) 5. A. Baeten (56) 6. P. Littbarski (210) 7. G. Zambrotta (86) 8. R. van Nistelrooy (81) 9. L. Blanc (240) 10. T. Silva (145) 11. T. Courtois (45)
    
    
14. Skizzo - 1. M. Basten (98) 2. J. Zanetti (110) 3. A. Cabrini (14) 4. G. Hanappi (62) 5. L. Hendrickx (60) 6. K-H. Forster (28) 7. G. Buffon (12) 8. A. Robben (266) 9. C. Makelele (94) 10. Neymar (100) 11. D. Godin (22)
    
    
15. P-nut - 1. F. Baresi (177) 2. R. Carlos (0) 3. D. Zoff (187) 4. R. Dienst (378) 5. F. Vermeyen (316) 6. B. Schuster (180) 7. A. Vidal (43) 8. B. Schweinsteiger (263) 9. R. Carvalho (14) 10. D. Alves (45) 11. D. Villa (374)
    
    
16. Oaencha - P. Maldini (30) 2. Rivaldo (391) 3. G. Facchetti (33) 4. K. Koller (58) 5. P. Dahl (225) 6. O. Ruggeri (100) 7. M. Neuer (337) 8. P. Lahm (0) 9. X. Alonso (180) 10. Z. Ibrahimović (32) 11. A. Pirlo (65)

 

[idmanager]

@Cal?

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Also enigma's Ballack pick was exactly half the time of Edgar's Lizarazu pick. Not much on it's own, but when you consider Edgar is half the man Enigma is, it becomes more telling.

Bitch, get yo ass back to the kitchen.

 

[Skizzo]

Bitch, get yo ass back to the kitchen.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I rate Sagnol above him, especially in a back 4. In a back five it's a tossup, but especially with Figo in front of him, Sagnol is a better fit for me. He's better defensively and also notorious for his crossing and long passes/crosses.

Seems we have the exact opposite impressions. I would have thought Reuter was the better in defence and Sagnol better in attack. Also Reuter was faster. If it was a back 4, I'd be tempted to take Reuter since he is more rounded, having played CB, DM and wide CM too. In later years he was more involved in buildup of play than making the attacking runs himself.

Both are flexible over back 4 or 5, but I'd say Reuter is a shade better.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Perhaps @Balu can provide some commentary on Reuter vs Sagnol.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Serves you right for calling @Enigma_87 fat. Agree he's twice me, but that's no reason to call him a fat!

 

[Moby]

All these delays due to time zones remind me a draft I once played in bigsoccer where the draft order was done with time zones in mind. Basically,

1. Make pools according to time zones - West Cost, East Coast, UK/Europe, Asia, Australia
2. Randomize within the pools.
3. Select one the pools to start with, but that order above stays the same (in the reverse order) so that all time zones fall under favourable hours.

e.g. 16 drafters playing grouped
West Coast
1, 2, 3

East Coast
4, 5, 6, 7

UK/Eur
8, 9, 10, 11, 12

Asia
13, 14, 15

Australia
16


Step 2.

West Coast
3, 1, 2

East Coast
5, 6, 4, 7

UK
9, 12, 11, 10, 8

Asia
14, 15, 13

Aus
16


Step 3: Start with UK so UK then EC then WC then Aus then Asia. So the final order would be:

9, 12, 11, 10, 8, 5, 6, 4, 7, 3, 1, 2, 16, 14, 15, 13

 

[diarm]

Thanks @idmanager

 

[Moby]

Seems we have the exact opposite impressions. I would have thought Reuter was the better in defence and Sagnol better in attack. Also Reuter was faster. If it was a back 4, I'd be tempted to take Reuter since he is more rounded, having played CB, DM and wide CM too. In later years he was more involved in buildup of play than making the attacking runs himself.

Both are flexible over back 4 or 5, but I'd say Reuter is a shade better.

I remember both from their famous stints: Sagnol in that tremendous back 4 at France in 2006 where he was a very balanced fullback and provided good overlapping runs and great crossing - like the one that should have won France the World Cup in the final if not for Buffon making that GOAT save - but he didn't attack like a wingback would. Similar to Lizarazu e.g. For Reuter I remember him more suitable to play as a wingback as he did at Dortmund - great pace and stamina for that role .

 

[Cal?]

1. 2mufc0/mazhar13 - 1. B. Robson (44) 2. R. Baggio (54) 3. F. Redondo (300) 4. A. Picchi (480) 5. W. Zeman (213) 6. R. Dierckx (519) 7. H. Sanchez (10) 8. J. Boateng (306) 9. P. Montero (75) 10. M. Camoranesi (375)
   
   
2. Cal? - 1. E. Cantona (17) 2. A. Nesta (23) 3. Cafu (7) 4. S. Mazzola (27) 5. F. Binder (74) 6. J. Ceulemans (55) 7. F. Hierro (13) 8. V Kompany (30) 9. E. van der Sar (38) 10. G. Pessotto (375) 11. D Alaba (65)
   
   
3. Diarm - 1. D. Irwin (72) 2. Ronaldinho (453) 3. G. Batistuta (84) 4. L. Suarez Miramontes (111) 5. R. Schramseis (204) 6. M. Preud'Homme (78) 7. C. Seedorf (76) 8. S. Aguero (62) 9. D. Bergkamp (35) 10. D. Deschamps (24) 11. M. Hummels (60)
   
   
4. Lord Slnister - 1. R. Keane (88) 2. L. Messi (19) 3. D. Maradona (29) 4. S. Kocsis (40) 5. J. Smistik (690) 6. E. Gerets (111) 7. J. Stam (133) 8. D. de Gea (18) 9. R. Pires (39) 10. Tigana (67), 11. Ribery (46)
   
   
5. EAP - 1. C. Ronaldo (24) 2. Xavi (257) 3. D. Passarella (46) 4. F. Puskas (158) 5. M. Sindelar (180) 6. R. Gullit (27) 7. D. Simeone (630) 8. C. Fabregas (60) 9. T. Adams (60) 10. B. Lizarazu (84) 11. Ze Roberto (70)
   
   
6. Enigma - 1. L. Figo (23) 2. A. Iniesta (1) 3. K.-H. Rummenigge (44) 4. Di Stefano (14) 5. J. Bican (17) 6. F. Rijkaard (14) 7. R. Ayala (48) 8. A. Cole (39) 9. S. Campbell (38) 10. M. Ballack (42) 11. W. Sagnol (118)
   
   
7. idmanager - 1. L. Ronaldo (240) 2. T. Henry (40) 3. L. Matthäus (18) 4. F. Gento (30) 5. F. Plánička (24) 6. M. Overmars (330) 7. A. Costacurta (30) 8. G. Neville (85) 9. D. Beckham (45) 10. S. Hyypia (50) 11. S. Effenberg (30)
   
   
8. Pat Mustard - 1. Romario (38) 2. L. Thuram (69) 3. A. Brehme (16) 4. R. Kopa (35) 5. A. Puc (192) 6. P. Vieira (61) 7. A. Shevchenko (31) 8. N. Vidic (22) 9. J. Veron (178) 10. S. Gerrard (37) 11. O. Kahn (60)
   
   
9. Raees - 1. H. Stoichkov (120) 2. Z. Zidane (10) 3. M. Sammer (45) 4. J. Fontaine (139) 5. O. Nejedly (6) F. Cannavaro (190) 7. P. Cech (90) 8. R. Ferdinand (5) 9. A. Benarrivo (90) 10. J. Mascherano (100) 11. Lucio (33)
   
   
10. Sjor/Indnyc - 1. M. Laudrup (120) 2. M. Desailly (156) 3. G. Bergomi (113) 4. R. Jonquet (16) 5. B. Klenovec (280) 6. P. Nedved (65) 7. S. Eto'o (75) 8. P. Scholes (555) 9. C. Taffarel (300) 10. E. Cambiasso (450) 11. L. Bonucci (540)
    
    
11. Moby - 1. M. Platini (183) 2. M. Amoros (47) 3. G. Scirea (16) 4. R. Marche (207) 5. R. Braine (66) 6. A. Del Piero (11) 7. C. Puyol (305) 8. P. Evra (240) 9. G. Popescu (12) 10. C. Vieri (23) 11. G. Chiellini (128)
    
    
12. green_smiley - 1. J. Rep (24) 2. G. Weah (300) 3. C. Gentile (75) 4. E. Happel (150) 5. B. Voorhoof (240) 6. J. Kohler (32) 7. E. Abidal (28) 8. R. Giggs (200) 9. P. Guardiola (45) 10. G. Gattuso (70) 11. Tiago (390)
    
    
13. Tuppet - 1. J. Cruyff (55) 2. E. Davids (124) 3. Z. Boniek (18) 4. E. Ocwirk (92) 5. A. Baeten (56) 6. P. Littbarski (210) 7. G. Zambrotta (86) 8. R. van Nistelrooy (81) 9. L. Blanc (240) 10. T. Silva (145) 11. T. Courtois (45)
    
    
14. Skizzo - 1. M. Basten (98) 2. J. Zanetti (110) 3. A. Cabrini (14) 4. G. Hanappi (62) 5. L. Hendrickx (60) 6. K-H. Forster (28) 7. G. Buffon (12) 8. A. Robben (266) 9. C. Makelele (94) 10. Neymar (100) 11. D. Godin (22)
    
    
15. P-nut - 1. F. Baresi (177) 2. R. Carlos (0) 3. D. Zoff (187) 4. R. Dienst (378) 5. F. Vermeyen (316) 6. B. Schuster (180) 7. A. Vidal (43) 8. B. Schweinsteiger (263) 9. R. Carvalho (14) 10. D. Alves (45) 11. D. Villa (374)
    
    
16. Oaencha - P. Maldini (30) 2. Rivaldo (391) 3. G. Facchetti (33) 4. K. Koller (58) 5. P. Dahl (225) 6. O. Ruggeri (100) 7. M. Neuer (337) 8. P. Lahm (0) 9. X. Alonso (180) 10. Z. Ibrahimović (32) 11. A. Pirlo (65)

@2mufc0 @mazhar13

 

[idmanager]

And we are back to Austria

 

[Gio]

Seems we have the exact opposite impressions. I would have thought Reuter was the better in defence and Sagnol better in attack. Also Reuter was faster. If it was a back 4, I'd be tempted to take Reuter since he is more rounded, having played CB, DM and wide CM too. In later years he was more involved in buildup of play than making the attacking runs himself.

Both are flexible over back 4 or 5, but I'd say Reuter is a shade better.

Yeah I'd generally agree with this. Reuter certainly stronger in 3-5-2 set-up, not a lot in it in a back four, but would give a slight edge to the German. Depends on how you want to play though as they have slightly different strengths.

 

[P-Nut]

All these delays due to time zones remind me a draft I once played in bigsoccer where the draft order was done with time zones in mind. Basically,

1. Make pools according to time zones - West Cost, East Coast, UK/Europe, Asia, Australia
2. Randomize within the pools.
3. Select one the pools to start with, but that order above stays the same (in the reverse order) so that all time zones fall under favourable hours.

e.g. 16 drafters playing grouped
West Coast
1, 2, 3

East Coast
4, 5, 6, 7

UK/Eur
8, 9, 10, 11, 12

Asia
13, 14, 15

Australia
16


Step 2.

West Coast
3, 1, 2

East Coast
5, 6, 4, 7

UK
9, 12, 11, 10, 8

Asia
14, 15, 13

Aus
16


Step 3: Start with UK so UK then EC then WC then Aus then Asia. So the final order would be:

9, 12, 11, 10, 8, 5, 6, 4, 7, 3, 1, 2, 16, 14, 15, 13

I had this exact idea last night when hardly any progress was being made. It seems like a good idea to me.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

All these delays due to time zones remind me a draft I once played in bigsoccer where the draft order was done with time zones in mind.

We don't get our picks at same time. And if a manager delays for any reason,it might have a cascade effect.

 

[Moby]

We don't get our picks at same time. And if a manager delays for any reason,it might have a cascade effect.

Yeah it's far from guaranteed to work, mainly avoids the overnight situations:

Say greensmiley pics during his evening, the time zone next in line will have more daytime left and usually it would work unlike europeans picking during the day and then the aussie turn coming which means curtains for the day.

 

[harms]

Also enigma's Ballack pick was exactly half the time of Edgar's Lizarazu pick. Not much on it's own, but when you consider Edgar is half the man Enigma is, it becomes more telling.

ffs

 

[harms]

All these delays due to time zones remind me a draft I once played in bigsoccer where the draft order was done with time zones in mind. Basically,

1. Make pools according to time zones - West Cost, East Coast, UK/Europe, Asia, Australia
2. Randomize within the pools.
3. Select one the pools to start with, but that order above stays the same (in the reverse order) so that all time zones fall under favourable hours.

e.g. 16 drafters playing grouped
West Coast
1, 2, 3

East Coast
4, 5, 6, 7

UK/Eur
8, 9, 10, 11, 12

Asia
13, 14, 15

Australia
16


Step 2.

West Coast
3, 1, 2

East Coast
5, 6, 4, 7

UK
9, 12, 11, 10, 8

Asia
14, 15, 13

Aus
16


Step 3: Start with UK so UK then EC then WC then Aus then Asia. So the final order would be:

9, 12, 11, 10, 8, 5, 6, 4, 7, 3, 1, 2, 16, 14, 15, 13

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Now that wasn't even a funny comment. Stop quoting it ffs!

 

[Annahnomoss]

Funny idea for a draft. So many crazy teams so the matches will be fun to follow.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Funny idea for a draft. So many crazy teams so the matches will be fun to follow.

Welcome back. Been quiet for long time!

 

[Cal?]

@Tuppet

Actually I just realized drunk drafting is really a bad idea. Somehow picked 2 LBs in a row.

If it's okay, can I change that pick? Since no one has picked yet. lease:

 

[idmanager]

@Tuppet

Actually I just realized drunk drafting is really a bad idea. Somehow picked 2 LBs in a row.

If it's okay, can I change that pick? Since no one has picked yet. lease:

 

[Cal?]

Anyone around? Is it okay if I change my pick?

 

[Tuppet]

@Tuppet

Actually I just realized drunk drafting is really a bad idea. Somehow picked 2 LBs in a row.

If it's okay, can I change that pick? Since no one has picked yet. lease:

Sorry man, no changing picks once posted. You have 14 picks so it should be fine.

 

[idmanager]

Sorry man, no changing picks once posted. You have 14 picks so it should be fine.

Boy, no sympathy even for the guy who got us out of the mess with Ceulemans which looks pretty useless as well. white

 

[Cal?]

Sorry man, no changing picks once posted. You have 14 picks so it should be fine.

Okay...

But I'd just like to point out if people who made wrong picks (those already taken) were allowed to re-pick, it seems quite harsh not to allow people to change, since the next manager hasn't posted yet.

 

[Lord SInister]

I'll take Mats Hummels. Could someone update the list for me as I'm travelling.

Can't believe I gave your man Messi and Maradona but he keeps trying to usher me towards Willie Gallas and Samir Nasri.

I gave you Tigana, you could have gone for anyone of the great French defenders of 1980s, you choosed much less talented water carrier of golden team.
If you really wanted a DM, Tigana played with an fantastic one, you choosed a lesser one just because he won more.
I gave you Robert, you could have had one of the greatest box striker of all time, you took a CB.
Obviously there is no link left to the GOATs.

 

[antohan]

I remember both from their famous stints: Sagnol in that tremendous back 4 at France in 2006 where he was a very balanced fullback and provided good overlapping runs and great crossing - like the one that should have won France the World Cup in the final if not for Buffon making that GOAT save - but he didn't attack like a wingback would. Similar to Lizarazu e.g. For Reuter I remember him more suitable to play as a wingback as he did at Dortmund - great pace and stamina for that role .

My thoughts exactly. Sagnol better defender and in a 4, Reuter a wingback.

 

[antohan]

Also enigma's Ballack pick was exactly half the time of Edgar's Lizarazu pick. Not much on it's own, but when you consider Edgar is half the man Enigma is, it becomes more telling.

Now that wasn't even a funny comment. Stop quoting it ffs!

I felt it wasn't worth another greenie. Now it is

 

[Enigma_87]

Seems we have the exact opposite impressions. I would have thought Reuter was the better in defence and Sagnol better in attack. Also Reuter was faster. If it was a back 4, I'd be tempted to take Reuter since he is more rounded, having played CB, DM and wide CM too. In later years he was more involved in buildup of play than making the attacking runs himself.

Both are flexible over back 4 or 5, but I'd say Reuter is a shade better.

I'd probably echo what @Moby and @antohan already said, but when played as a wingback Reuter is indeed faster and can recover more ground quicker, hence you get the impression he might be better defensively. But in a back four, especially with a hard working right winger like Figo, Sagnol is to me the better defender and also the better crosser out of the two. Reuter is more nimble and a shade more agile so he could probably fair a bit better against Lennon type of wingers, but going through the roster and the left wingers that are already picked Sagnol to me is a much better fit, all things considered.