Donkai Havertz | Arsenal Watch

[TheMagicFoolBus]

He does struggle in our system, but he offers something different. I think actually a CB in a back 3 is one of his better options at the moment. But ye today he wasnt great.

Yeah I agree - maybe if it's something where he can stay as a wide CB when the team is in possession that'd be ideal. Timber on the right side could offer some balance given his ability to step into midfield - think as well it was telling he got the nod ahead of Tierney at LB despite it not being his normal position.

But that said, how many of Arsenal's current options for that sort of hybrid CB/FB role are you choosing him over? I think pretty unequivocally you'd take Saliba or White ahead of him, and honestly I'd have Timber there as well (though obviously have to see how he settles before this is definitive). Is Tierney going to be happy being 4th choice for his ideal role and 3rd choice at LB?

Also random thing that just occurred to me, where is Nuno Tavares currently? Is he going back to France? Feels like he should be getting a look (and again apologies but I haven't tracked Arsenal at all during pre-season).

 

[AlexUTD]

£65m and £330k per week. Wow.

He isnt on that wage right?

YOu must be kidding right?

 

[Nish115]

Yeah I agree - maybe if it's something where he can stay as a wide CB when the team is in possession that'd be ideal. Timber on the right side could offer some balance given his ability to step into midfield - think as well it was telling he got the nod ahead of Tierney at LB despite it not being his normal position.

But that said, how many of Arsenal's current options for that sort of hybrid CB/FB role are you choosing him over? I think pretty unequivocally you'd take Saliba or White ahead of him, and honestly I'd have Timber there as well (though obviously have to see how he settles before this is definitive). Is Tierney going to be happy being 4th choice for his ideal role and 3rd choice at LB?

Also random thing that just occurred to me, where is Nuno Tavares currently? Is he going back to France? Feels like he should be getting a look (and again apologies but I haven't tracked Arsenal at all during pre-season).

Tavares will get sold or loaned, he hasn't played any part and isn't in the plans. He just hasn't got the mentality or consistent technique for the team, but he does have some obvious talent.

 

[Zehner]

Kai started as striker. So arteta understood he was useless in midfield. Thats what i said the moment they signed him.

Arsenal fans argued otherwise like their play will suit him but reality is their intrinsic short pass and move game style will never suit him if he plays in midfield.

If he plays in midfield surely problematic to their structure as well. He will give quick turn over opportunity to opponents because if you press him he will either lose the possession or fouling opponents.

Yeah, he only played in midfield his whole life except for his time in London so far.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Yeah, he only played in midfield his whole life except for his time in London so far.

Didn't he play in the hole behind Volland, in a free role

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

Tavares will get sold or loaned, he hasn't played any part and isn't in the plans. He just hasn't got the mentality or consistent technique for the team, but he does have some obvious talent.

Gotcha - thanks for the clarification!

 

[Zaphod2319]

He isnt on that wage right?

YOu must be kidding right?

Chelsea raised his wage to £300k per week last year. It is not likely he agreed to lower it.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I'm currently staying in my dad's for the Bank Holiday weekend and my brother is staying here too. He's an Arsenal fan and he's actually bewildered by this signing. He had been slating Havertz for years tbh, so would have been hard for him to now pretend he thinks he's good tbf.

 

[Zehner]

Didn't he play in the hole behind Volland, in a free role

Nah, he played an 8 in a 4-3-3 or a 8/10 in a box midfield in a 3-4-3 for us. Arteta isn't really inventing anything new, he's sort of "going back to the roots" with how he uses Havertz.

 

[AlexUTD]

Chelsea raised his wage to £300k per week last year. It is not likely he agreed to lower it.

Raised it after not excatly setting the league on fire, no wonder Mount was pissed

 

[Rajiztar]

Raised it after not excatly setting the league on fire, no wonder Mount was pissed

We won the cl and that wage clause activated. Actually boehly wanted to renew the deal with performance based wage with him. But kai jumped the ship when arsenal come calling.

 

[AlexUTD]

We won the cl and that wage clause activated. Actually boehly wanted to renew the deal with performance based wage with him. But kai jumped the ship when arsenal come calling.

Saved by the bell then!

 

[Ronaldinho's snakebite]

Chelsea couldn't believe thier luck when arsenal coughed up 65million quid on this donkey. They literally bite arsenal hands off

 

[Ronaldinho's snakebite]

That's what you get for British player. Overpaid and overrated.

since when has Germany become part of Britain?

 

[VorZakone]

So...what is it with him? I can't remember the last time I saw him play well.

 

[PoTMS]

How Chelsea got £130m combined for Havertz and Mount is beyond me.

 

[IrishRedDevil]

£331,000 per week.

 

[WeePat]

So...what is it with him? I can't remember the last time I saw him play well.

Dortmund at home back in March. That was legit the last time he had a good game. He was like Bergkamp and Zola rolled into one that night though.

 

[DWelbz19]

Much like Mason Mount, I think Arteta and ten Hag have tried to be too cute and clever and see something that the rest of us armchair managers aren’t seeing — I have no idea what compelled either of these managers to think either of these players can play in a central midfield position in the PL!

 

[Chief123]

Some Arsenal fans are slowly beginning to realise he is a money laundering exercise. Will end up as the worst transfer of the summer.

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[Chief123]

Much like Mason Mount, I think Arteta and ten Hag have tried to be too cute and clever and see something that the rest of us armchair managers aren’t seeing — I have no idea what compelled either of these managers to think either of these players can play in a central midfield position in the PL!

There are enough productivity, goals/assists and performances to justify Mount’s signing. Havertz has been stealing a living since leaving Germany.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Much like Mason Mount, I think Arteta and ten Hag have tried to be too cute and clever and see something that the rest of us armchair managers aren’t seeing — I have no idea what compelled either of these managers to think either of these players can play in a central midfield position in the PL!

Mount is much better than Havertz.

And I think people will change their minds on him 2-3 months down the line.

 

[Yagami]

With everyone fit, I can't see him starting. Maybe something like:

Ramsdale
Timber Saliba Gabriel Zinchenko
Rice Partey
Saka Odegaard Martinelli
Jesus​

 

[Nish115]

With everyone fit, I can't see him starting. Maybe something like:

Ramsdale
Timber Saliba Gabriel Zinchenko
Rice Partey
Saka Odegaard Martinelli
Jesus​

White shouldn't be dropped, he is class every game.

 

[Bogga]

I'm not nearly as negative as him, but I'm kinda in the same mindset regarding Mount...

How Chelsea got so much money out of those two players are mindboggling I truly hope Mount comes good though, he's putting on the red shirt and I wish he excels and becomes an awesome player for us, but I have my doubts

 

[Captmfla]

Havertz was the wrong purchase. Pretty obvious from the start. A striker with a goal in 4 games. Hardly helped the team last season and doesn't even know where he plays now. He's also not aggressive enough to be playing in midfield.

Arsenal has so many good striking prospects waiting to shine, why they even buy him? Should just save the money and buy David Raya outright instead of a loanee who will just play 50% of match most probably and disrupt team chemistry.

 

[duffer]

Havertz was the wrong purchase. Pretty obvious from the start. A striker with a goal in 4 games. Hardly helped the team last season and doesn't even know where he plays now. He's also not aggressive enough to be playing in midfield.

Arsenal has so many good striking prospects waiting to shine, why they even buy him? Should just save the money and buy David Raya outright instead of a loanee who will just play 50% of match most probably and disrupt team chemistry.

He's not a striker.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

He's not a striker.

Still shit, though.

 

[Revan]

Some Arsenal fans are slowly beginning to realise he is a money laundering exercise. Will end up as the worst transfer of the summer.

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This is essentially Caf with Mount.

 

[cyberman]

Our fanbase loves shitting on our players in threads that have feck all to do with them

 

[Dancfc]

I'm not nearly as negative as him, but I'm kinda in the same mindset regarding Mount...

How Chelsea got so much money out of those two players are mindboggling I truly hope Mount comes good though, he's putting on the red shirt and I wish he excels and becomes an awesome player for us, but I have my doubts

Ironically I think the media narrative of every time we have a shit period it's the club's faults and players/managers are innocent bystanders is helping.

It's been going on ever since Spurs fell for it with AVB.

 

[fallengt]

Hes going score against united, isnt he?

 

[Ish]

Our fanbase loves shitting on our players in threads that have feck all to do with them

Yep spot on, literally any reason in just about every thread. Whether it’s Antony or Mount.

 

[mu4c_20le]

He's not a striker.

He is like Nkunku, and so he will be judged on goals

 

[SATA]

I was told by the Caf that he was a generation talent from Leverkusen when Chelsea were buying him and that we would absolutely regret not doing so as well?

 

[stefan92]

I was told by the Caf that he was a generation talent from Leverkusen when Chelsea were buying him and that we would absolutely regret not doing so as well?

If "the Caf tells you something" it usually is bollocks.

 

[adamwest]

Hes going score against united, isnt he?

nailed on

 

[Rooney in Paris]

I was told by the Caf that he was a generation talent from Leverkusen when Chelsea were buying him and that we would absolutely regret not doing so as well?

Yeah, and Zehner will carry on defending that stance.

 

[1905]

Any evidence so far of this fantastic technical player I've been hearing about? Got slated in here for calling him an average footballer but am still waiting for anything to prove otherwise.

 

[Chief123]

I was told by the Caf that he was a generation talent from Leverkusen when Chelsea were buying him and that we would absolutely regret not doing so as well?

To be fair it was mainly the German Defence League who were hyping him.