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Kinda sucks that the season has started and we haven’t concluded our transfer business
Same shit new season.Kinda sucks that the season has started and we haven’t concluded our transfer business
How many chances does Woodward get? Blaming Van Gaal and Mourinho raises the question of who appointed them. If these world class managers failed (and they did by United standards) there are two possibilities: either they weren't supported by the club or they were the wrong choice in the first place. In either case Ed Woodward bears the responsibility.We all know the facts. Woodward has made mistakes, but they have been mistakes that a lot of people would have made. Van Gaal, Mourinho. Top class managers. Big personalities that you would expect to come in and be the right type of manager for this club. It didn't work out.
He gets as many chances as the Glazers decide he gets. There would have been few complaints had they moved him on during those periods. There would actually be few complaints now, but you fire someone for making mistakes at the time they are making them, not 2 years after when things appear to be on a more progressive track.How many chances does Woodward get? Blaming Van Gaal and Mourinho raises the question of who appointed them. If these world class managers failed (and they did by United standards) there are two possibilities: either they weren't supported by the club or they were the wrong choice in the first place. In either case Ed Woodward bears the responsibility.
Your defence of Woodward reminds me of the old story about the man who murdered his parents and, just as he was about to be sentenced, pleaded for clemency on the grounds that he was an orphan.
Not sure how you come to the conclusion that losing patience with a serial failure is an overreaction. Your faith that Woodward has finally found the secret of success is touching though. Glad you liked the story, can't claim it as mine alas, it's been around for years.He gets as many chances as the Glazers decide he gets. There would have been few complaints had they moved him on during those periods. There would actually be few complaints now, but you fire someone for making mistakes at the time they are making them, not 2 years after when things appear to be on a more progressive track.
Great story though. I bet when you thought of that you couldn't wait to find a post you could massively overreact to and use it.
It was an overreaction because you tried to paint me as some kind of die-hard Woodward backer based on nothing. Typical modern redcafe where people need to be pigeonholed and have 'sides'.Not sure how you come to the conclusion that losing patience with a serial failure is an overreaction. Your faith that Woodward has finally found the secret of success is touching though. Glad you liked the story, can't claim it as mine alas, it's been around for years.
I honestly tried to address the arguments raised rather than attack the poster. You feel that Woodward has learnt from past mistakes. I don't. I think United would be well rid of him. You're perfectly entitled to your opinion of course. You acknowledged the mistakes that he has made during his reign at the club so you're certainly not a 'die-hard' Woodward support and I didn't mean to suggest that you were.It was an overreaction because you tried to paint me as some kind of die-hard Woodward backer based on nothing. Typical modern redcafe where people need to be pigeonholed and have 'sides'.
I see progress at the club. I see signs that Woodward has learnt from past mistakes. Feel free to just disagree with that without going over the top
Its cool. No harm doneI honestly tried to address the arguments raised rather than attack the poster. You feel that Woodward has learnt from past mistakes. I don't. I think United would be well rid of him. You're perfectly entitled to your opinion of course. You acknowledged the mistakes that he has made during his reign at the club so you're certainly not a 'die-hard' Woodward support and I didn't mean to suggest that you were.
This attitude is part of the problem.The time to put pressure on the Glazers has come and gone. Long gone. Let's not forget that a new football club was actually formed off the back of an 'exodus' of long standing reds, and it caused barely a ripple at the club.
We all know the facts. Woodward has made mistakes, but they have been mistakes that a lot of people would have made. Van Gaal, Mourinho. Top class managers. Big personalities that you would expect to come in and be the right type of manager for this club. It didn't work out.
What we see now is that decisions taken in the last 18 months or so have been a lot, lot better. There is a clear plan, and our signings have been smart. We look like we have gotten our act together, and fans now need to be patient and let this play out
Well I'm not sure which part of my post you take issue with (all of it?) but okay. I was one of those in the stands back then with my green and gold scarf - even though I didn't think the approach that was taken was the right one, I played along. It achieved absolutely nothing at all. Neither did FC United.This attitude is part of the problem.
I agree with this post. Especially preferring Glazers over Saudi owners.Well I'm not sure which part of my post you take issue with (all of it?) but okay. I was one of those in the stands back then with my green and gold scarf - even though I didn't think the approach that was taken was the right one, I played along. It achieved absolutely nothing at all. Neither did FC United.
What we learnt from that time was that even when emotions were at their most raw, nowhere near enough fans were willing to do what was required. Stop attending games. Stop going to the megastore. Etc etc. That was then......
Now? Who knows? There might be a renewed opportunity because supporters have adapted to being away from Old Trafford, but even then I was uncomfortable with the thought of how much we would have needed to hurt the club to get what we wanted. I still am. I would rather have the Glazers than see the Saudis come in and pump billions into the squad as an example.
Back then there were very real fears that the Glazers would bleed the club dry and we'd find ourselves playing at the McDonald's stadium, but the reality is that we, like 99% of clubs, simply have owners that want to make money from the club. We find ourselves playing catch up right now - IMO - because we've made too many bad decisions. Lack of investment is a fairly distant second place. We've invested that money poorly.I agree with this post. Especially preferring Glazers over Saudi owners.
My previous point wasn't specifically directed at you, although your post reminded me of the fact. Apathy is widespread across the fanbase.
Historically if people want any kind of change it can take years for anything to happen, but a will needs to be there and a sense of not giving up.
I get the sense that the fanbase has given up getting any kind of change. Or even trying to influence the currennt ownership.
Pretty sure it is one of the Glazers (Joel?) who actually does that. Obviously, if Woody does not send it higher up, then the deal is off, but without one of the Glazers approvals, we cannot spend crazy amount of money in players.Of course Woodward is the one who gives the final call. Managers give their suggestions and Judge seems to be the one who does negotiation now, but Woodward is the highest name in the club and anything that happens has to be with his approval. Any signing that happens he must approve it and if he doesn't, we call the deal off. Managers can say otherwise but it's pretty obvious really.
I don't that this is the problem as most clubs follow the same route I guess, there's always someone higher than the manager who gives the call. The problem is the ones above the manager at United are incompetent most of time.
Though things have been improving a little bit since last summer.
True. Ed continues to act like a newbieSame shit new season.
Rich in terms of what? Revenues? That doesnt help much, especially if you have owners who want to see dividendsour club is supposed to be one of the richest in the world, we did good business last summer but 1 good window doesn't get ed or his team of the hook, we need a new negotiator who can work quick
I think we have...Kinda sucks that the season has started and we haven’t concluded our transfer business
Can someone find out the email and phone of Woody so that we can share the load we are discussing on CAF !!The Glazer/Woodward shills will be here any time soon to explain why no further transfers are necessary and how we do have a lot of money to spend because the club is so well run.
Pure PR, wait for the results to go south and talks of a DOF will be coming about again.If we truly have concluded our transfer business this summer(I don't think we have), the Glazers and Woodward only care about top 4 and nothing else.
I know Covid-19 has hurt a lot of clubs financially, but wasn't Woody bragging about how we have the financial muscle to overcome it?
so no more point in watching that space?The Glazer/Woodward shills will be here any time soon to explain why no further transfers are necessary and how we do have a lot of money to spend because the club is so well run.
Some people may not want to use Chelsea as an example.There's no excuse for our not having done some business by now. No-one's saying we absolutely had to get Sancho in for £120m. But if we couldn't get him we should have made three good acquisitions by now.
Chelsea are proof that covid is no excuse. Havertz, Werner, Chilwell, Ziyech, all in. Thiago Silva on a free. Deadwood moved out (Willian, Pedro, Morata sale finalised). This is the team we all knew we were neck-and-neck with, developmentally, and they've massively stolen a march on us.
Nope. DOF talks always starts immediately once transfer window closes.Pure PR, wait for the results to go south and talks of a DOF will be coming about again.
There's no excuse for our not having done some business by now. No-one's saying we absolutely had to get Sancho in for £120m. But if we couldn't get him we should have made three good acquisitions by now.
Chelsea are proof that covid is no excuse. Havertz, Werner, Chilwell, Ziyech, all in. Thiago Silva on a free. Deadwood moved out (Willian, Pedro, Morata sale finalised). This is the team we all knew we were neck-and-neck with, developmentally, and they've massively stolen a march on us.
Good thing you mentioned those three clubs. Have a look at this..Some people may not want to use Chelsea as an example.
Everton have spent in the region of £70m
Villa are looking to spend around £70m
Manutd cannot afford to spend £108m?
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Exactly, there is no way someone can tell me the Glazers have spent money on this club.
Unless Woodward and his friend Matt Judge ensure that they appoint a competent team in charge of transfers and all football related matters, it will always be like this. The definition of insanity is Ed Woodward and we should not expect a different outcome with him in charge. I am all for Sancho, but other signings can be made while still negotiating the Sancho deal. Selling players and buying players seem to be a big problem at United, a clear sign that the wrong people are in charge. The only thing they seem to be good at is awarding huge contracts to undeserving players. Something needs to change.There's no excuse for our not having done some business by now. No-one's saying we absolutely had to get Sancho in for £120m. But if we couldn't get him we should have made three good acquisitions by now.
Chelsea are proof that covid is no excuse. Havertz, Werner, Chilwell, Ziyech, all in. Thiago Silva on a free. Deadwood moved out (Willian, Pedro, Morata sale finalised). This is the team we all knew we were neck-and-neck with, developmentally, and they've massively stolen a march on us.
The Glazers
Certainly the club was gifted to them from daddy so if it fails they aint really arsed, they never put the work in. Its interesting to wonder if Malcom would have tolerated Woodwards failings for so long. If he was the man who built the family empire he might have been more ruthless to people that fall shortCurrent Glazers are bad businessmen. Malcom Glazer single-handedly built the family fortune, he was a driving force in their family and the better businessman. His offspring are incompetent and just leeching from their father's work. Pretty sure if Malcom was still alive and sane he would have sacked Woodward and his cronies for their sheer incompetence.