England were lucky

[SOCALRED]

to win today against a half kids Austrian side. They always seem to loose the plot, and end up just hanging on. very unconvinced We are going to be in for some footballing lessons when we get to Germany based on our recent performances, The look on Svens face said it all today, fookin shittin it in the last 15 mins, hoping for the whistle to sound, England = a joke. Too many fancy dans that can't be arsed .

 

[Gazza]

Woe is England

 

[Looking Busy]

Lack of managerial leadership
Lack of managerial control of tactics
Lack of managerial understanding of the players

See where i'm going with this

 

[bangortom]

Lack of managerial leadership
Lack of managerial control of tactics
Lack of managerial understanding of the players

See where i'm going with this

No, please explain.

 

[Wizard Keyaz]

No, please explain.

Basically we're screwed!

 

[Jamie]

One of the favourites to win the World Cup? Don't make me laugh.

We have the players but we don't have the motivation. With Sven giving less effort into the team than i do having a shit after a night on the piss with 10 curries and a ton of laxatives i can't see us going any where. We need to start from the off, not let teams find their footing, especially on our on turf.

Then squad selection, what can i say. His only attribute is his height and yet he cannot head, who am i talking about, i wonder.

Sven has to go, it's simple. It will cost us but so what, it is worth it.

 

[Looking Busy]

I'm sure Brazil and the Argies are shitting themselves now we've qualified

 

[Drifter]

Don't think Toga are loosing much sleep either.

 

[Dave_B]

SIGN OF A GOOD TEAM WHEN YOU PLAY BADLY YET STILL WIN!!

Anyone remeber Germany 5-1...Argentina 1-0...the country was bumming Sven then. All England need to change is stay with the 4-4-2 and play a holding midfielder alngside Steven Gerrard.

 

[Looking Busy]

SIGN OF A GOOD TEAM WHEN YOU PLAY BADLY YET STILL WIN!!

Anyone remeber Germany 5-1...Argentina 1-0...the country was bumming Sven then. All England need to change is stay with the 4-4-2 and play a holding midfielder alngside Steven Gerrard.

Gerrard ain't playing on Wednesday so i guess that problem is solved for one match at least

 

[Dave_B]

Gerrard ain't playing on Wednesday so i guess that problem is solved for one match at least

Well I dunno its Gerrard that we need...Its Fatty Lampard who needs to piss off.

 

[Bloxy]

Is it a coincidence, but has the England midfield lost their potency after Scholes retired?

 

[Looking Busy]

Is it a coincidence, but has the England midfield lost their potency after Scholes retired?

Probably seeing as Scholes didn't score for England for about 20 matches, and towards the end of his international career was stuck out on the left and was played out of most games

 

[Dave_B]

Its no coincidence that since Lampard has partnered Gerrard in the midfield we have turned to shit.

 

[Bloxy]

Its no coincidence that since Lampard has partnered Gerrard in the midfield we have turned to shit.

Too many chiefs, cant understand it cause both are very hardworking.

 

[TR]

SIGN OF A GOOD TEAM WHEN YOU PLAY BADLY YET STILL WIN!!

Sign of a badly managed team: quality players available, scraping results or even failing to get them against mediocre - at best - opposition.

And yes, I know that rings a bell closer to home, but that's another topic.

 

[TR]

Its no coincidence that since Lampard has partnered Gerrard in the midfield we have turned to shit.

You're probably right. That's why I was so disappointed when Gerrard decided not to go to Chelsea. It would've weakened two of our 'enemies' in one move.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Well I dunno its Gerrard that we need...Its Fatty Lampard who needs to piss off.

Lampards the better player of the two..

 

[Dave_B]

England starting 11:

---------------------Robbinson---------------

G. Neville------Ferdinand-----Terry-------A. Cole

Beckham------????---------Gerrard-------J. Cole

------------Owen------------Rooney-----------

Alonside Gerrard I would choose either:

P. Neville
M. Carrick
O. Hargreaves (try him in a friendly or summet)
A. Smith (he plays it for us so again try him in a friendly)

On the left I would choose J. Cole for the time being although he aint the answer to our left sided problems.

 

[Dave_B]

Lampards the better player of the two..

He isnt...Gerrard has far more passion and drive in his game...all Lampard has is that shit celebration (running with his arms out then kissing his finger) *shudder*

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He isnt...Gerrard has far more passion and drive in his game...all Lampard has is that shit celebration (running with his arms out then kissing his finger) *shudder*

Gerrards the more talented, everyone knows that, but Lampard performs better and that determines who is better. Lampard is probabily along with Henry the best player in the premiership. Gerrard is way behind.

 

[Raconteur]

Probably seeing as Scholes didn't score for England for about 20 matches, and towards the end of his international career was stuck out on the left and was played out of most games

So essentially the England midfield lost their potency when Scholes ceased to be Scholes. Same could be said for the United midfield.

 

[Raconteur]

Gerrards the more talented, everyone knows that, but Lampard performs better and that determines who is better. Lampard is probabily along with Henry the best player in the premiership. Gerrard is way behind.

3 smilies for the number of times I had to change pants after reading that

 

[amolbhatia50k]

3 smilies for the number of times I had to change pants after reading that

Didnt know you were a 4 year old.
Henry has been the best player in the league over the last 3 years or so.. Lampard has easily been the best for the last year, and has been the best midfielder in the league for a couple of years now. I dont think thats even debatable, Gerrards performances havent even come close..

 

[RedPhil1957]

Didnt know you were a 4 year old.
Henry has been the best player in the league over the last 3 years or so.. Lampard has easily been the best for the last year, and has been the best midfielder in the league for a couple of years now. I dont think thats even debatable, Gerrards performances havent even come close..

I would debate it, he reminds me of Platt plays crap scores a goal and everyone suddenly says how magic he was.

 

[a_devil_inside]

O. Hargreaves (try him in a friendly or summet)

oh god no!

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I would debate it, he reminds me of Platt plays crap scores a goal and everyone suddenly says how magic he was.

Thats Joe Cole. Lampard is easily the best midfielder in the premiership, hes far ahead of anyone we have, and although technically not as good as Gerrard, his performances over the last year or so have been far superior.
Hes been one of the reasons Chelsea have dominated the league for the last season and a little..

 

[Raconteur]

Thats Joe Cole. Lampard is easily the best midfielder in the premiership, hes far ahead of anyone we have, and although technically not as good as Gerrard, his performances over the last year or so have been far superior.
Hes been one of the reasons Chelsea have dominated the league for the last season and a little..

I agree that he's a good player and respect him for staying in a side that has added many players worth more than some countries, but to say that he's the best player in the premiership is a stretch. He plays his position well and is key in the ******* squad, but he's no Henry. Without Henry, Arsenal would sink, but without Lampard, ******* would be fine.

 

[peterstorey]

Thats Joe Cole. Lampard is easily the best midfielder in the premiership, hes far ahead of anyone we have, and although technically not as good as Gerrard, his performances over the last year or so have been far superior.
Hes been one of the reasons Chelsea have dominated the league for the last season and a little..

You're right. I thought Lampard was ludicrously overpriced at £11M but as you say he's been the best central midfielder in the PL for the last two years. Is probably not the best at anything but is very, very good at everything and never gets injured. Gerrard has moments of brilliance but has never made much impact in any of the live games I've seen him in.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I agree that he's a good player and respect him for staying in a side that has added many players worth more than some countries, but to say that he's the best player in the premiership is a stretch. He plays his position well and is key in the ******* squad, but he's no Henry. Without Henry, Arsenal would sink, but without Lampard, ******* would be fine.

True, but Chelsea then again are a different case, they would win the league if they had an henry and they would win the league without one(as they are now).

Two different type of comparisons, one is of individuals.. for eg. Id pick Rooney any day over Lampard, hes special, he does things few players can do, is technically better in almost every way and if England were to pin their hopes on one man to lift them at the World cup, it will be Rooney. But if your comparing who is better in the premiership.. past record is important, and theres no doubt although Rooney is now beginning to perform as well as anyone in the league, Lampard has been consistantly fabulous in the premiership for two years or so..

 

[Raconteur]

True, but Chelsea then again are a different case, they would win the league if they had an henry and they would win the league without one(as they are now).

Two different type of comparisons, one is of individuals.. for eg. Id pick Rooney any day over Lampard, hes special, he does things few players can do, is technically better in almost every way and if England were to pin their hopes on one man to lift them at the World cup, it will be Rooney. But if your comparing who is better in the premiership.. past record is important, and theres no doubt although Rooney is now beginning to perform as well as anyone in the league, Lampard has been consistantly fabulous in the premiership for two years or so..

His consistency for Chelsea and now for ******* is undeniable. It seemed from your earlier comment that you were claiming that currently Lampard was the best player in the premiership, along with Henry. Which is not true. If you are considering past performance than your point is more arguable, but someone like Giggs or Scholes would contend for that since, even though they aren't playing up to their past performances, their impact and skill in their day was more than that of Lampard. I would relate those players to a mountain, how their level of play went to a high level, stayed there, and now is declining. Then Lampard would be more of a plateau, rising to a good level of play and staying there. But the mountain is high than the plateau and if we are combining consistency and level of play then the scores for these players would be close. But, I agree with your Rooney comments

 

[RedPhil1957]

Thats Joe Cole. Lampard is easily the best midfielder in the premiership, hes far ahead of anyone we have, and although technically not as good as Gerrard, his performances over the last year or so have been far superior.
Hes been one of the reasons Chelsea have dominated the league for the last season and a little..

Cole is not a platt like player at all Lampard is even in his younger days when captain of the under 23's. Lampard has been consistant and scored some vital goals but his basic skills are not top quality and imo he is shown up in international football.

 

[AhmedDimwitson]

The final tournament is different to the qualifying, England do have some very good players so they will be able to challenge.

 

[Dave_B]

Lampard is probabily along with Henry the best player in the premiership. Gerrard is way behind.

Oh my god....I cant believe I've just read this!!! This is without doubt the wildest claim I have ever heard in my life!

Fat Lampard the best player in the premiership

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Oh my god....I cant believe I've just read this!!! This is without doubt the wildest claim I have ever heard in my life!

Fat Lampard the best player in the premiership

you tell me dave, who were the best players in the league last season??
Did you people watch the last season of the premiership or not?
The answer is Terry and Lampard. IMO Lampard is more important to Chelsea.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

His consistency for Chelsea and now for ******* is undeniable. It seemed from your earlier comment that you were claiming that currently Lampard was the best player in the premiership, along with Henry. Which is not true. If you are considering past performance than your point is more arguable, but someone like Giggs or Scholes would contend for that since, even though they aren't playing up to their past performances, their impact and skill in their day was more than that of Lampard. I would relate those players to a mountain, how their level of play went to a high level, stayed there, and now is declining. Then Lampard would be more of a plateau, rising to a good level of play and staying there. But the mountain is high than the plateau and if we are combining consistency and level of play then the scores for these players would be close. But, I agree with your Rooney comments

Its simple as things stand the best players in the league would Henry followed by Lampard and Terry.. Ruud would be there but injuries ruined his last year and a bit.. Scholes has fallen out of form for awhile now.. I know chelsea are hated, and i myself dislike the feckers.. but Lampard has been quite awesome in the premiership for the last couple of years. Not making any comparisons to Scholes and Giggs in their prime.

 

[Dave_B]

Lampard is shite...end of...theres no way he is the best player in the top league in England.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Lampard is shite

Fine, but i dont know what that makes our lot.

 

[TR]

Lampard is shite...end of.

If this represents your capacity to evaluate the world around you, put a gun in your mouth now and pull the trigger before you have to make any important decisions that could affect innocent people.

Bollocks is a recognized language here in the Caf but this makes you sound like an imbecile.

 

[CremboMan]

I only got to read half way through this thread, but why the hell are you lot discussing the midfield, when you've got Crouch playing upfront, what's the point of even having a midfield...