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Last season we conceded the highest proportion of our goals from corners (up until the date of the tweet in May 21):

Not sure what the stats are this season though. If there is an improvement then the coach has at least helped us improve defensively.
 

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I know it might seem insignificant, but almost everyone would choose to take a bigger run up than we get at home. It certainly doesn't help with any kind of consistency in taking the kicks if in half your games you get a one step or an interrupted run up.

I do have a bit of an agenda against the slope in general but I'm totally convinced it hinders us at corners.
I'm more surprised doesn't cause more injuries than I am worried about corners tbh.
If it makes it awkward to take them we should be able to master and get that little edge on opponents you'd think.
 

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I know it might seem insignificant, but almost everyone would choose to take a bigger run up than we get at home. It certainly doesn't help with any kind of consistency in taking the kicks if in half your games you get a one step or an interrupted run up.

I do have a bit of an agenda against the slope in general but I'm totally convinced it hinders us at corners.
So don't keep taking the same type of corner then.
 

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He wasn’t a set piece specialist at Chelsea so it was stupid of us to bring him in with this title. I actually feel sorry for him.’
 

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Mike Phelan is sabotaging him so people stop questioning whatever it is that he does and focus on this guy instead. Mike Phelan is a genius and will always have my respect.
 

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https://strettynews.com/2022/03/01/darren-fletcher-defends-fantastic-eric-ramsey/

Manchester United have had glaring weaknesses all over the pitch this season.
The defence, midfield and attack all need to improve.

But our poor record from set-pieces this season has led to criticism directed at set-piece coach Eric Ramsey, though United’s technical director Darren Fletcher claims the former Chelsea youth team coach is actually doing a good job.

“People only give the one narrative about scoring from set-pieces,” Fletcher told ManUtd.com. “The biggest reason Eric was brought in was because we were conceding too many goals from set-pieces. We have really improved our defending from set-pieces and wide free-kicks this season. Eric is a fantastic coach.”

Most fans will point to how the Reds didn’t score from a corner kick all season until two weeks ago, during the 5-2 win over Leeds United, but Fletcher stresses how Ramsey has helped the side in their bid to concede less goals from set-piece situations.

It would still be fair to say Ramsey has not had the desired impact in terms of goals scored from set-pieces, but that can be worked on as it seems Fletcher is happy with his defensive work to date.

Fingers crossed we can win the derby on Sunday from a corner in stoppage time. That would lead to a flurry of praise for Ramsey!


What a spin! Who's buying this? I think our defensive fragility at set pieces continued into this season and the lesser number of conceded goals (5) hasn't necessarily reflected that. The number is deceptive. In Solskjaer's last ten games in charge we conceded 23 in all competitions and three of those came from set pieces. We were lucky it wasn't more.

However we have become more solid since Ralph's appointment and have conceded zero goals from set pieces in his time here thus far. We haven't looked as fragile at defending set pieces. This is embarrassing from Fletcher and the club in my opinion. I don't know what Ramsey does in training but to label him a fantastic coach is a stretch based on the evidence
 

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The lack of goals from set pieces isn’t exactly his fault. The crossing is just terrible. You can’t turn water in to wine. He can set the structure up but he can’t kick the ball for them. Most of our corners don’t even beat the first man.
 

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I don't know what Ramsey does in training but to label him a fantastic coach is a stretch based on the evidence
Set pieces are both in the attacking and defensive phases. I have no defence for him on the attacking side although we have had a lack of execution in these areas from the players, our general lack of goal scoring obviously doesn't help his cause either and I feel he gets lumbered with that also.
But I am sure we all concede that we must do better at attacking set pieces.

I have noticed us improve at defensive set pieces however which is what let us down massively last year. At worst I would say he has had a net neutral impact. I certainly don't think that Darren Fletcher defending a fellow professional is "spin"

He, along with McKenna were easy targets in the Ole regime and McKenna is already going some way to proving his worth as a head coach, with a lot more still to be done, I would suspect that Ramsey is a good coach but is being given chicken shit and being told to make chicken salad.

You make mention of evidence but dismiss the fact we are conceding less from set pieces? I am confused with that one myself but it's either evidence based or it isn't.
 

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So it looks like the master of set pieces might stay..
 

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For what it is worth, I am doing my badges at the minute and I have come across a lot of materials where he is leading and talking about sessions that aren't set pieces, he does seem to know what he is on about.
 

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For what it is worth, I am doing my badges at the minute and I have come across a lot of materials where he is leading and talking about sessions that aren't set pieces, he does seem to know what he is on about.
What badges are you doing? I've just applied to do Uefa C so waiting to hear back on if I can do it.
 

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What badges are you doing? I've just applied to do Uefa C so waiting to hear back on if I can do it.
Same boat, just waiting on my club affiliation number to come through before sending application.

Did get my Coaching Goalkeepers intro and Talent ID intros also to hopefully progress them in the future. Hopefully going back to school (UCFB or Leeds Trinity) to do something coaching/sport psych based.
 

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+ Fourth best at defending set pieces

- Third worst at scoring from them
Our scoring record from set pieces has been relegation level.

Still posters said that he only focuses on the defensive aspects of it(which is still strange , why doesn't he do both?) So it may not be his fault at all.
 

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Our scoring record from set pieces has been relegation level.

Still posters said that he only focuses on the defensive aspects of it(which is still strange , why doesn't he do both?) So it may not be his fault at all.
At the highest levels of coaching specialisation is becoming more and more, well, specialised. People only handling one tiny very specific part of the game (which you’d think would make sense, attacking systems require a level of ingenuity and creativity which is a different skill set than defending, which is largely organisation and concentration)
 

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Mad that Liverpool have conceded more than us from set pieces with such a dominant defender in VVD, and DDG is generally awful at crosses and organising the defence (I thought anyway).
 

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At the highest levels of coaching specialisation is becoming more and more, well, specialised. People only handling one tiny very specific part of the game (which you’d think would make sense, attacking systems require a level of ingenuity and creativity which is a different skill set than defending, which is largely organisation and concentration)
Fair enough obviously but do teams like Liverpool and city follow the same principle?
Would be strange if we're doing it and they're not.
 

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Fair enough obviously but do teams like Liverpool and city follow the same principle?
Would be strange if we're doing it and they're not.
I mean, I don’t have specific knowledge of their arrangements, but I’d be amazed if they didn’t, or at least weren’t strongly considering it. Liverpool used a consultant throw in coach for a while there, so they’re definitely open to any 1%
 

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City have a +21GD from set pieces…staggering. Can’t even blame that on asthma!
Set piece GD
Manchester City: +21
Liverpool: +12
Arsenal: +8
Chelsea: +7
Wolves: +6
Brentford: +3
Burnley: +3
West Ham United: +2
Manchester United: +1
Newcastle United: +1
Aston Villa: -1
Southampton: -1
Tottenham Hotspur: -2
Brighton & Hove Albion: -3
Crystal Palace: -7
Leeds United: -8
Watford: -8
Norwich City: -10
Everton: -12
Leicester City: -12

In Ramsay (if he's staying) we seem to have the defensive side of things sorted, just the attacking side of things which needs a lot of work but we knew that already.
 

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Set piece GD
Manchester City: +21
Liverpool: +12
Arsenal: +8
Chelsea: +7
Wolves: +6
Brentford: +3
Burnley: +3
West Ham United: +2
Manchester United: +1
Newcastle United: +1
Aston Villa: -1
Southampton: -1
Tottenham Hotspur: -2
Brighton & Hove Albion: -3
Crystal Palace: -7
Leeds United: -8
Watford: -8
Norwich City: -10
Everton: -12
Leicester City: -12

In Ramsay (if he's staying) we seem to have the defensive side of things sorted, just the attacking side of things which needs a lot of work but we knew that already.
Pretty flabbergasting we’re only 1 off West Ham who are renowned as being brilliant from set pieces.
 

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I mean, I don’t have specific knowledge of their arrangements, but I’d be amazed if they didn’t, or at least weren’t strongly considering it. Liverpool used a consultant throw in coach for a while there, so they’re definitely open to any 1%
Well, let's see how ten hag's going to do it as by all records he seems to be quite modern in these aspects.
 

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Turns out the man couldn't practice set pieces at all, and when he could they were spontaneous sessions.
 

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Our scoring record from set pieces has been relegation level.

Still posters said that he only focuses on the defensive aspects of it(which is still strange , why doesn't he do both?) So it may not be his fault at all.
Perhaps he hasn’t been given time to do both? He isn’t the manager, he doesn’t get unlimited time to coach whatever he wants.

When Rangnick was asked about it he alluded to us not spending any time on corners at all pretty much. When you’re playing twice a week and absolute shit with a new manager trying new things you aren’t going to get hours a day to spend on corners. With limited time, it makes sense to focus on defending.

He’s also been working as a general coach, not a set piece coach, since Rangnick came in as well.
 

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With a team of midgets no less, how the hell has that happened?
It's very simple. They dominate games and possession. The opposition have had minimal set-piece attempts against them.

I would like to see a chart of % conceded and % scored vs just raw numbers.
 

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Perhaps he hasn’t been given time to do both? He isn’t the manager, he doesn’t get unlimited time to coach whatever he wants.

When Rangnick was asked about it he alluded to us not spending any time on corners at all pretty much. When you’re playing twice a week and absolute shit with a new manager trying new things you aren’t going to get hours a day to spend on corners. With limited time, it makes sense to focus on defending.

He’s also been working as a general coach, not a set piece coach, since Rangnick came in as well.
I don't know mate, I'm not knowledgeable enough in this regard, I called him a fraud in an another thread and some posters were quick to correct me and stats like these show that he indeed has improved us on the defensive facet of it.

Anyway if he's just a defensive coach he's already doing a decent job, of he's supposed to do both well find out next season if he's up to it or not.
 

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It's very simple. They dominate games and possession. The opposition have had minimal set-piece attempts against them.

I would like to see a chart of % conceded and % scored vs just raw numbers.
That doesn’t explain how they score so many.
 

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He wasn't allowed time to train set pieces because he had to do regular training. Shambles, our coaching setup
 

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Would it be wise to get another coach just for offensive set pieces, so Ramsay would only be in charge of the defensive ones.
 

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Would it be wise to get another coach just for offensive set pieces, so Ramsay would only be in charge of the defensive ones.
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