They were a good team and on the verge of winning the league the season before he came. They also made EL final with a very young team the same season.
If you care more about the plight of the club, the manager is not the biggest issue by a long shot.
Yep. Bizarre that he's targeted players like he's never watched us or the PL in his life.
In the same way Ighalo and Weghorst were players our managers got because that’s all United could get them , martial has been dumped on multiple managers. Same way the club kept on many players, with contract extensions , for no other reason then padding out the squad with bodies and keeping squad book value higher.
I don't understand why people should accept this when United have finished 3rd, 6th, 2nd, and 3rd the last four seasons.
When all hope is lost....
Say it louder for those in the back.
This point is being thrown around by some people as if they have made some profound observation. Which is just ridiculous. More than one thing at a time can be true.
United are not 6th best team in the league with these players no chance. That’s just more excuse to excuse what is going on and deflect from the manager not getting the best out of the team.
Even being generous this is a borderline top 4 squad, it's nowhere near the level of City, Arsenal and Liverpool when we have attacking options that have no goalscoring ability, barring Marcus Rashford who everyone on here has decided is shit but who can score goals when on form unlike the others, and only 2 centre backs of any quality and both of them seemingly can't stay fit.
Finishing 2nd and 3rd under ole and then expecting a title challenge only for it to go tits up and then finishing 3rd under ten hag is then a disgrace to spend £400mil to start calling the team a 6th place squad.
In 2020 we had a front 3 of Rashford and Martial who both got 17 league goals and Greenwood who ended up getting 10. None of our attacking options are going to get anywhere near that because outside of Rashford they're not capable of doing so, plus then we added Edinson Cavani to those options for the 20/21 season.
This should be the main point when discussing EtH.
Enjoy (as much as you can at anfield). Here’s hoping for that miracle….
That quote of his gave me so much hope….but seems even with that insight/foresight into the EPL, he himself got it wrong
He can, he does and you can see it. It just doesn't work most of the time.
Explain it to me? Because I genuinely don’t see it.
I've yet to meet a man who is so confidently wrong over and over again.
We’ve spent a stupid amount of money
We are not a top 3 side literally because of Ten hag and this stupid obsession with playing out from the back
Excellent points and this bolded part is something I've suggested time and time again. Erik had just as much to prove as some of the players he's purchased. He's done well at Ajax but he's not credible and even if he was credible he's still accountable. It's amazing how much oversimplification happens on these forums, the ownership is a very reasonable issue but it doesn't isolate the manager of their responsibility.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot, and I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s numerous reasons for it, we still only have the players to play counter attack, but he’s been tasked with moving us away from counter attacking football.. the media absolutely destroyed Ole for playing it, and called him “small time”
Can you explain patterns of play to me and give me some examples from PL teams?
Do you really believe that the price tags of the players determines the quality of the squad?
This would hold weight if we hadn't spent hundreds of millions of pounds and if we didn't have one of the highest wage bills in football. What you're saying is our managers can't be at fault unless they're literally given a bottomless pit of cash to sign everyone they want
No he hadn't done the hard part, we had a goalkeeper who had become a joke and needed replacing, our 2 best centre backs can't stay fit and our attack was solely reliant on form Marcus Rashford hadn't shown for almost 3 years and has only ever shown sporadically.
What we need is better players who cost less money but I’m not sure how we achieve that.
By investing the millions in building a scouting network instead. Like Madrid did.
Do you really believe that our scouts cannot identify Bellingham, Tchouameni and all the other obvious talents that Madrid bought over the years? We tried to buy half of them ffs.
Did we though, really try to buy them or did we do something half assed as we usually do?
We apparently really pushed for Bellingham at least.
We tried to sign Bellingham but he was smart enough to choose Dortmund
If it was just Belingham we mizzed I'd be more than happy
If I was a betting man, I’d say we found out pretty soon they didn’t want to come here over Madrid. The point is the scouts are not the problem, really. The best developing talents would rather go to clubs where they’ll get more game time and once they’ve done that they want to go straight to clubs who are already winning. It’s not that we don’t know who they are, it’s that we can’t get them.
