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Why don't those 3 clubs just leave football leagues and start new league where they can play between eachother every day until the end of time?

It is okey.

UEFA and FIFA needs to act strongly against this. Those 3 teams are not representing whole football world. Just because they have economic problems, selfinflicted, doesn't mean they can do whatever they want. Nobody pressured them buying and giving astronomical wages to players.
 

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Strict financial fair play. Possibility of retransmission on other platforms and ultimately the super league system, even including relegation.
Infantino is not so open to sanctioning clubs so maybe there we have an ally, but the truth is I don't know. It seems impossible that they did not know that this type of reaction was going happen.
Because you are Real Madrid fan, I have a question.

You said, strict financial fair play. I agree there need to be economic system in place. Like wage limit and so on. I just wonder, if we are talking about fair play and equality, do Barcelona and Real Madrid want to think about fair play when it comes to TV rights in spanish league?
 

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Because you are Real Madrid fan, I have a question.

You said, strict financial fair play. I agree there need to be economic system in place. Like wage limit and so on. I just wonder, if we are talking about fair play and equality, do Barcelona and Real Madrid want to think about fair play when it comes to TV rights in spanish league?
To be honest I'm not sure about the conditions of the tv rights share. I think is already based on league rankings among other things, but in any case, I think the problem is that the contract itself is low.
Besides, as has been said several times, the fans in Spain are different. I support Madrid, not la liga product.
We can bring equality, let´s pay according to the audience, proportionally.
For example, Levante-Cádiz had an audience in Spain of 75,000 viewers (and surely minimal outside of Spain).
When the super league appeared, some of those clubs came with a shirt saying "win it on the field" and some thought that the response from the big clubs should be "don't take advantage of what I generate."
Who has to sign stars and accumulate debt for 900 million are Madrid and Barcelona.
It could be improved, but I think that with having a couple of more dedicated foreign owners we would be fine.(Peter Lim for example or the owner of Espanyol, now in segunda)
 

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To be honest I'm not sure about the conditions of the tv rights share. I think is already based on league rankings among other things, but in any case, I think the problem is that the contract itself is low.
Besides, as has been said several times, the fans in Spain are different. I support Madrid, not la liga product.
We can bring equality, let´s pay according to the audience, proportionally.
For example, Levante-Cádiz had an audience in Spain of 75,000 viewers (and surely minimal outside of Spain).
When the super league appeared, some of those clubs came with a shirt saying "win it on the field" and some thought that the response from the big clubs should be "don't take advantage of what I generate."
Who has to sign stars and accumulate debt for 900 million are Madrid and Barcelona.
It could be improved, but I think that with having a couple of more dedicated foreign owners we would be fine.(Peter Lim for example or the owner of Espanyol, now in segunda)
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Would Barcelona and Real Madrid share some of money to clubs like Granada or Betis? For the sake of equality? For the sake of football best? Do you think that Perez have ever thought about it? I don't. It seams to me that when its own dominance are under treath, teams complain. Football is not just about biggest teams. 18 LaLiga teams will be just fine without Barcelona and Real Madrid if it comes to that. But would those two clubs be fine without LaLiga? I doubt.

The bold one is not equality. Some kind, but not in the whole picture. Equality is when everybody is playing on the same field having exaclty same resources. What you write is how football works now. Demand and supply. If you want economic equality, start with wage structure and transfer structure. Say for example, every club can give 100m on transfers every year. Or every teams wage budget must be under 1m per week. Those kind of equality. Would Real Madrid and Barcelona be for it?
 

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Would Barcelona and Real Madrid share some of money to clubs like Granada or Betis? For the sake of equality? For the sake of football best? Do you think that Perez have ever thought about it? I don't. It seams to me that when its own dominance are under treath, teams complain. Football is not just about biggest teams. 18 LaLiga teams will be just fine without Barcelona and Real Madrid if it comes to that. But would those two clubs be fine without LaLiga? I doubt.

The bold one is not equality. Some kind, but not in the whole picture. Equality is when everybody is playing on the same field having exaclty same resources. What you write is how football works now. Demand and supply. If you want economic equality, start with wage structure and transfer structure. Say for example, every club can give 100m on transfers every year. Or every teams wage budget must be under 1m per week. Those kind of equality. Would Real Madrid and Barcelona be for it?
More than 60 percent of the fans in Spain support Madrid or Barcelona. Deep down, it's what people want.
Not all teams are the same. Big teams have been winning and struggling for years to get to the point where they attract attention.
Equality values have already been broken. First when two teams were allowed to participate and then 4 teams in the maximum continental competition.
We have been with this Champions League system for 30 years and it seems that the solution is to bring more uneven matches.
It's like the other day on twitter. Someone sharing a photo of the Red Star in 1991, saying that the super league will deprive us of those teams, as if there are going to be surprises of that kind.
Those exceptions will not return (as seen in the Champions League teams that qualify year after year) unless someone brings money.
Personally, what do you dislike about the superliga?
 

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More than 60 percent of the fans in Spain support Madrid or Barcelona. Deep down, it's what people want.
Not all teams are the same. Big teams have been winning and struggling for years to get to the point where they attract attention.
Equality values have already been broken. First when two teams were allowed to participate and then 4 teams in the maximum continental competition.
We have been with this Champions League system for 30 years and it seems that the solution is to bring more uneven matches.
It's like the other day on twitter. Someone sharing a photo of the Red Star in 1991, saying that the super league will deprive us of those teams, as if there are going to be surprises of that kind.
Those exceptions will not return (as seen in the Champions League teams that qualify year after year) unless someone brings money.
Personally, what do you dislike about the superliga?
People don't want to see Madrid and Barcelona meet eachother 5 times a year. I don't want to see us playing Juventus every year. I rather see us playing Everton or Aston Villa att full stadiums in Premier League then playing AC Milan in a league where the results don't mean anything. Big teams are blaming others instead of themself when it comes to attracting fans. For a start, slash ticket prices with 80% and there wouldn't be any problems people coming to stadiums and attracting people. Pricing out people from football means something else will get its attention.

Football is more then show. It i about way of life.

I dislike the whole project about big teams breaking away to form a Super League only for they own sake so they can get money. It is not about other teams. It is not about equality. They are just thinking about themself and money. Why would they do that when they almost got everything from UEFA. I think "big clubs" need to learn a lesson. Need to come down to earth. And hopefully UEFA can give out punishment. Not that I think UEFA is doing things perfectly. Far from it, but what this Super League would mean is way worse then people understand. For example, why would teams like yours and mine have some kind of "no relegation stamp"? It is beyond everything a competition is about.

Just so you don't think that I am just against Barcelona and Real Madrid. You can read my posts about ManUtds involvement. I would gladly accept severe punishment for my team if they still went with this madness. Even if it meant kicked out from other competitions. I still think we should be punished for even going with this idea.
 

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Marc Overmars said it best(although it seems very obvious). The Super League was only started to save the clubs from poor financial management.
 
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People don't want to see Madrid and Barcelona meet eachother 5 times a year. I don't want to see us playing Juventus every year. I rather see us playing Everton or Aston Villa att full stadiums in Premier League then playing AC Milan in a league where the results don't mean anything. Big teams are blaming others instead of themself when it comes to attracting fans. For a start, slash ticket prices with 80% and there wouldn't be any problems people coming to stadiums and attracting people. Pricing out people from football means something else will get its attention.

Football is more then show. It i about way of life.

I dislike the whole project about big teams breaking away to form a Super League only for they own sake so they can get money. It is not about other teams. It is not about equality. They are just thinking about themself and money. Why would they do that when they almost got everything from UEFA. I think "big clubs" need to learn a lesson. Need to come down to earth. And hopefully UEFA can give out punishment. Not that I think UEFA is doing things perfectly. Far from it, but what this Super League would mean is way worse then people understand. For example, why would teams like yours and mine have some kind of "no relegation stamp"? It is beyond everything a competition is about.

Just so you don't think that I am just against Barcelona and Real Madrid. You can read my posts about ManUtds involvement. I would gladly accept severe punishment for my team if they still went with this madness. Even if it meant kicked out from other competitions. I still think we should be punished for even going with this idea.
I understand the argument that those games can get boring over time, but the alternative is to see a Manchester Madrid every ten years. Between that and Basaksehir or a team that is going to be beaten easily, I'll take the former.
Matches that are also irrelevant many times.
Today we could bet and hit at least 4 teams from the next quarters.
Without a doubt it is for money and because Madrid do not want to be a figurant in the success of others (and if that is the case, let's see if we can also be a public limited company and become state clubs).
I understand as well what you say about the promotions. Surely it could be fixed (but don't expect Manchester City to be relegated).
In my head we are not going to play any more Champions League games, so I hope they sanction us to accelerate whatever it takes. A triangle with Barcelona or juve or a world tour of friendlies
 

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I understand the argument that those games can get boring over time, but the alternative is to see a Manchester Madrid every ten years. Between that and Basaksehir or a team that is going to be beaten easily, I'll take the former.
Matches that are also irrelevant many times.
Today we could bet and hit at least 4 teams from the next quarters.
Without a doubt it is for money and because Madrid do not want to be a figurant in the success of others (and if that is the case, let's see if we can also be a public limited company and become state clubs).
I understand as well what you say about the promotions. Surely it could be fixed (but don't expect Manchester City to be relegated).
In my head we are not going to play any more Champions League games, so I hope they sanction us to accelerate whatever it takes. A triangle with Barcelona or juve or a world tour of friendlies
Ladies and gentlemen, Real Madrid.
 

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I understand the argument that those games can get boring over time, but the alternative is to see a Manchester Madrid every ten years. Between that and Basaksehir or a team that is going to be beaten easily, I'll take the former.
Matches that are also irrelevant many times.
Today we could bet and hit at least 4 teams from the next quarters.
Without a doubt it is for money and because Madrid do not want to be a figurant in the success of others (and if that is the case, let's see if we can also be a public limited company and become state clubs).
I understand as well what you say about the promotions. Surely it could be fixed (but don't expect Manchester City to be relegated).
In my head we are not going to play any more Champions League games, so I hope they sanction us to accelerate whatever it takes. A triangle with Barcelona or juve or a world tour of friendlies
I don't. I think that every team should be given right to compete in the highest league, if you are good enough. Not if you are biggest but if you are good enough. And it looks like that some "SuperLeague" teams are not even good enough for its own league. Juventus or Milan might not even get to CL. Liveprool are at the risk, so is Chelsea and why would you even have Tottenham and Arsenal if it is about best teams. So it isn't even about "best teams". It is about money. It is about power.
 

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More than 60 percent of the fans in Spain support Madrid or Barcelona. Deep down, it's what people want.
Not all teams are the same. Big teams have been winning and struggling for years to get to the point where they attract attention.
Equality values have already been broken. First when two teams were allowed to participate and then 4 teams in the maximum continental competition.
We have been with this Champions League system for 30 years and it seems that the solution is to bring more uneven matches.
It's like the other day on twitter. Someone sharing a photo of the Red Star in 1991, saying that the super league will deprive us of those teams, as if there are going to be surprises of that kind.
Those exceptions will not return (as seen in the Champions League teams that qualify year after year) unless someone brings money.
Personally, what do you dislike about the superliga?
Good thing we have a Madrid fan to tell the rest of us fans what we really want. Anyway, protests may suggest otherwise.

I don't seem to relate to the "poor Big teams struggle and suffer too" narrative, but that's just me anyway. I can't generalize it to the rest of the people.

In the last 4 years we did have Rome, Spurs, RB Leipzig, Lyon and Ajax in the final stages. They fell short, but they were there. Just saying.
 

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I don't. I think that every team should be given right to compete in the highest league, if you are good enough. Not if you are biggest but if you are good enough. And it looks like that some "SuperLeague" teams are not even good enough for its own league. Juventus or Milan might not even get to CL. Liveprool are at the risk, so is Chelsea and why would you even have Tottenham and Arsenal if it is about best teams. So it isn't even about "best teams". It is about money. It is about power.
Spot on, a blind man and his dog could tell you its about money and power. If it was about anything else the English teams would have stood their ground. They knew they were caught out. Doing it when a pandemic is on too. Absolutely scumbag move
 

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Spot on, a blind man and his dog could tell you its about money and power. If it was about anything else the English teams would have stood their ground. They knew they were caught out. Doing it when a pandemic is on too. Absolutely scumbag move
Agree. That is why I say I wouldn't mind punishment for my club for this. UEFA gave us little slap on the wrist with that fine. Lets see what we get from TheFA. The owners made a big misstake with even suggesting that league without discussing it with anyone except eachother.
 

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Good thing we have a Madrid fan to tell the rest of us fans what we really want. Anyway, protests may suggest otherwise.

I don't seem to relate to the "poor Big teams struggle and suffer too" narrative, but that's just me anyway. I can't generalize it to the rest of the people.

In the last 4 years we did have Rome, Spurs, RB Leipzig, Lyon and Ajax in the final stages. They fell short, but they were there. Just saying.
I meant in la liga, about what we were talking about the tv rights, explaining the composition of the fans.
I don't. I think that every team should be given right to compete in the highest league, if you are good enough. Not if you are biggest but if you are good enough. And it looks like that some "SuperLeague" teams are not even good enough for its own league. Juventus or Milan might not even get to CL. Liveprool are at the risk, so is Chelsea and why would you even have Tottenham and Arsenal if it is about best teams. So it isn't even about "best teams". It is about money. It is about power.
Fair enough, but the richest are those who win. I also liked football years ago but I don't think It will return.
How will Steaua or Red Star win if there are teams that spend hundreds of millions more than the teams that generate the most in the world.
They will have an acceptable participation and will be eliminated. In a supposed super league 2 they could progress more in my opinion
Your whole post but especially the last part. Do you agree with Madrid’s actions?
Yes, I think the champions have to change. I trust the president and the arguments about loss of interest from fans seem reasonable , as well as the financial fair play
 

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Yes, I think the champions have to change. I trust the president and the arguments about loss of interest from fans seem reasonable , as well as the financial fair play
Okay, I will bite. If you agree that it has to change, is this really the way? Closed shop and only rich getting richer? Real and Barca earning 50 million more than the rest from the start? Football is in a financial bubble right now, also because Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus started paying obscene wages - Ramsey on 450k per week, Messi on 100 million per year, Bale on 650k per week are just some examples.

You and the rest of Madrid fans are supporting this shite just because you think that you have a god given right to win all the time. As soon as some team overtakes Madrid, there is already unrest. Imagine accepting the consequences for the stupidity of their actions, instead of acting like football was invented by them.
 

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Fair enough, but the richest are those who win. I also liked football years ago but I don't think It will return.
How will Steaua or Red Star win if there are teams that spend hundreds of millions more than the teams that generate the most in the world.
They will have an acceptable participation and will be eliminated. In a supposed super league 2 they could progress more in my opinion
What you are suggesting is to even take away any chance whatsoever for those teams to compete and win against the best? So, question would be what is the purpose of football?

It is like saying to poor people: Oh, you are poor and have minimal chance to buy Ferrari, so let me just take away the little money you have left so that I make sure you don't even have that chance. You just need to accept that because I have more fans on Instagram or Facebook.
 

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Not if you are biggest but if you are good enough. And it looks like that some "SuperLeague" teams are not even good enough for its own league.
Yup, the thing about being a semi closed competition and having as some clubs just because of how marketable they are were one of the main concerns of the fans. To be fair Manchester United has been dross in their own league and in champions league for quite a while, Arsenal and Tottenham were also questionable inclusiones, all while leaving out a club like Leicester was a disrespectful and puts into question how competitive can it really be when the better performing teams are being left out. The german teams were also not on board so this whole Super League thing needs to be rethink all over again. I'm not against the idea of having something like a better version of the Champions League but it requires something more competitive oriented instead of a circle jerk club between the richest clubs in Europe.
 

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Yup, the thing about being a semi closed competition and having as some clubs just because of how marketable they are were one of the main concerns of the fans. To be fair Manchester United has been dross in their own league and in champions league for quite a while, Arsenal and Tottenham were also questionable inclusiones, all while leaving out a club like Leicester was a disrespectful and puts into question how competitive can it really be when the better performing teams are being left out. The german teams were also not on board so this whole Super League thing needs to be rethink all over again. I'm not against the idea of having something like a better version of the Champions League but it requires something more competitive oriented instead of a circle jerk club between the richest clubs in Europe.
I think Champione League can be done better without starting something looking like NHL, NFL, MLB or NBA.
 

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Okay, I will bite. If you agree that it has to change, is this really the way? Closed shop and only rich getting richer? Real and Barca earning 50 million more than the rest from the start? Football is in a financial bubble right now, also because Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus started paying obscene wages - Ramsey on 450k per week, Messi on 100 million per year, Bale on 650k per week are just some examples.

You and the rest of Madrid fans are supporting this shite just because you think that you have a god given right to win all the time. As soon as some team overtakes Madrid, there is already unrest. Imagine accepting the consequences for the stupidity of their actions, instead of acting like football was invented by them.
I'm not saying that the competition is perfect, I supported it in the past when it was theories and I also disliked the lack of promotion, and wanted a second division.
In any case they have not adhered to negotiate. They brought politicians to pressure and they have threatened with two years.
Where are the sanctions against City and PSG? It seems that now the football institutions are saints. There is talk of football traditions but simply between the three rebels they have 19 European cups.
Madrid spend because it generates a lot. The government of Spain has not come up with a sponsorship "tourism from Spain" despite the 900 million debt.
What you are suggesting is to even take away any chance whatsoever for those teams to compete and win against the best? So, question would be what is the purpose of football?

It is like saying to poor people: Oh, you are poor and have minimal chance to buy Ferrari, so let me just take away the little money you have left so that I make sure you don't even have that chance. You just need to accept that because I have more fans on Instagram or Facebook.
What I want is a better and more realistic competition. The most appropriate thing would be to eliminate the previous phase that is unfair for the little leagues or simply that only the champion can participate?
 

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I'm not saying that the competition is perfect, I supported it in the past when it was theories and I also disliked the lack of promotion, and wanted a second division.
In any case they have not adhered to negotiate. They brought politicians to pressure and they have threatened with two years.
Where are the sanctions against City and PSG? It seems that now the football institutions are saints. There is talk of football traditions but simply between the three rebels they have 19 European cups.
Madrid spend because it generates a lot. The government of Spain has not come up with a sponsorship "tourism from Spain" despite the 900 million debt.

What I want is a better and more realistic competition. The most appropriate thing would be to eliminate the previous phase that is unfair for the little leagues or simply that only the champion can participate?
You should look at la liga for that. The suggestion and the entire concept just looks like a shortcut down the drain fooball has been circling in recent years.
Your not going to get a better product playing arsenal, spurs or the weak crap we've been fielding in recent years than you'll get from sevilla and others.
 

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By all accounts let’s talk about revamping the CL but in a fair and exciting way which is inclusive to all. The CL should not be seen as simply another way to feather the pockets of the big clubs. European football was always about testing yourself against teams from all corners of Europe not just the big clubs of Italy, France, Spain and England. Clubs have become arrogant and the sad thing is that the new fans who know nothing more think that’s normal
 

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I absolutely hate the idea of the super league, but when you see where City are and how they have achieved it, I understand the disruption. It’s beyond the pale to have that much money available and that big a squad. It has given them an even bigger advantage in a post-Covid landscape.

There needs to be restrictions, both in terms of transfer fees and wages, otherwise the future of football is very bleak. The bigger clubs need to get their houses in order too and stop being hypocritical. Barcelona and Real Madrid are two of the worst offender of the latter.

If their ultimate aim really is a terrible super league rendering domestic leagues obsolete, no way. But if their aim is for UEFA to properly address financial fair play and introduce proper restrictions in a world that contains state run clubs, I fully support them.

It will inevitably involved them restructuring their own finances and they way they run their own clubs too.
 

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What I want is a better and more realistic competition. The most appropriate thing would be to eliminate the previous phase that is unfair for the little leagues or simply that only the champion can participate?
Everyone wants always something better. But what do you mean by realistic?

Why would you eliminate previous phase? That simply cuts little leagues off if you mean by playy off games before group games. The other about only champions can participate? I can agree to a certain level.

But if I am totaly honest, I rather win Premier League than Champions League. Or if I was Real Madrid fan, I rather win LaLiga then Champions League.
 

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Everyone wants always something better. But what do you mean by realistic?

Why would you eliminate previous phase? That simply cuts little leagues off if you mean by playy off games before group games. The other about only champions can participate? I can agree to a certain level.

But if I am totaly honest, I rather win Premier League than Champions League. Or if I was Real Madrid fan, I rather win LaLiga then Champions League.
ah no sorry i expressed myself wrong.
I meant with irony that in order to be totally fair, these clubs should not undergo a preliminary phase to participate.
That is to say, deep down the whole system is a bit cynical.
I understand you about the Premier.It seems quite usual for many United fans. For me the European Cup is always special I had a great time reading, writing and watching the games against Chelsea and Liverpool, hence I imagine something like this weekly
 

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I absolutely hate the idea of the super league, but when you see where City are and how they have achieved it, I understand the disruption. It’s beyond the pale to have that much money available and that big a squad. It has given them an even bigger advantage in a post-Covid landscape.

There needs to be restrictions, both in terms of transfer fees and wages, otherwise the future of football is very bleak. The bigger clubs need to get their houses in order too and stop being hypocritical. Barcelona and Real Madrid are two of the worst offender of the latter.

If their ultimate aim really is a terrible super league rendering domestic leagues obsolete, no way. But if their aim is for UEFA to properly address financial fair play and introduce proper restrictions in a world that contains state run clubs, I fully support them.

It will inevitably involved them restructuring their own finances and they way they run their own clubs too.
I agree. However, if this is to be achieved it needs to be a hard salary cap and not something like FFP which was just a big club carve up. You go for a hard salary cap with a hard transfer fee cap as well, that is applicable to all teams in Europe, then it is fair.

If you go for a new variation of FFP it is like the local bully crying that the new bully in town is bigger than them.
 

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I agree. However, if this is to be achieved it needs to be a hard salary cap and not something like FFP which was just a big club carve up. You go for a hard salary cap with a hard transfer fee cap as well, that is applicable to all teams in Europe, then it is fair.

If you go for a new variation of FFP it is like the local bully crying that the new bully in town is bigger than them.
Yeah, something simple and obvious is the way forward. Nothing convoluted. Clear caps with clear punishments for those who infringe them.
 

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Yeah, something simple and obvious is the way forward. Nothing convoluted. Clear caps with clear punishments for those who infringe them.
Problem with a hard cap is the established big teams would never agree to them as it takes away their advantage.
 

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Problem with a hard cap is the established big teams would never agree to them as it takes away their advantage.
It doesn’t even need to be crazy, just something that ensures a balance in squads of stars and players developed by the club. Something that stops teams like City have two first elevens that could compete at the top end of the league.

They should be made to use their facilities and develop some of their own players. The only way to do that is to have a cap at some level.
 

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It doesn’t even need to be crazy, just something that ensures a balance in squads of stars and players developed by the club. Something that stops teams like City have two first elevens that could compete at the top end of the league.

They should be made to use their facilities and develop some of their own players. The only way to do that is to have a cap at some level.
Well this is the problem.

You either have a hard cap, which is completely fair, but means all the top teams lose their advantage over the mid-lower teams (at least theoretically.) Or you try and reinstate FFP which is essentially a cartel system for the big clubs.

For me, of people truly want to be fair they would go for a hard cap, however mid-long term, especially in the PL, that would mean lots of teams would get very competitive fairly quickly.
 

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Well this is the problem.

You either have a hard cap, which is completely fair, but means all the top teams lose their advantage over the mid-lower teams (at least theoretically.) Or you try and reinstate FFP which is essentially a cartel system for the big clubs.

For me, of people truly want to be fair they would go for a hard cap, however mid-long term, especially in the PL, that would mean lots of teams would get very competitive fairly quickly.
The big teams though would still attract the better players though, or at least you’d think, even if your salaries are all the same cap across the board
 

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The big teams though would still attract the better players though, or at least you’d think, even if your salaries are all the same cap across the board
Initially they would, but once they filled their quota, they wouldn't be able to top up. One bad experience transfer would be much more disastrous. It is how in the NFL no team really stays at the top, unless they have someone like Brady who takes paycuts.
 

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Initially they would, but once they filled their quota, they wouldn't be able to top up. One bad experience transfer would be much more disastrous. It is how in the NFL no team really stays at the top, unless they have someone like Brady who takes paycuts.
Yeah I like the sound of that. Coaches who rely on big money transfers would have their coaching put to the test. There should also be a certain amount of home grown players and a certain amount of players produced by your own club
 

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I think a salary cap is pretty hard to enforce. How do you deal with image rights, marketing and sponsorship? How do you avoid the mancini situation where they just get paid by outside sources?
 

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In reference to a european competition I think its impossible to standardise the wages of players, i'm not sure its really desirable. A team from Finland having their costs set relative to Manchester United just seems redundant
 

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I think a salary cap is pretty hard to enforce. How do you deal with image rights, marketing and sponsorship? How do you avoid the mancini situation where they just get paid by outside sources?
Well they would have to be included. This is what I mean about the big teams never signing up to it as they would have to only have one or two stars and the others would have to move elsewhere.

In reference to a european competition I think its impossible to standardise the wages of players, i'm not sure its really desirable. A team from Finland having their costs set relative to Manchester United just seems redundant
It is pretty much impossible, even if it is the fairest way.

However, my point was principally that the established old guard have to stop going on about outside finance and fairness. If they want fairness then put in place a fixed/hard cap that is applicable to everyone and see how the cards fall or suck it up and get on with it as FFP was always a cartel system that was anything but 'fair'.
 

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Well they would have to be included. This is what I mean about the big teams never signing up to it as they would have to only have one or two stars and the others would have to move elsewhere.



It is pretty much impossible, even if it is the fairest way.

However, my point was principally that the established old guard have to stop going on about outside finance and fairness
. If they want fairness then put in place a fixed/hard cap that is applicable to everyone and see how the cards fall or suck it up and get on with it as FFP was always a cartel system that was anything but 'fair'.
I agree with that in principal, I think. I think i've just gotten used to the idea that PSG and City are going to have first dibs on players basically. We're not exactly far down the list so I can get over that. Their advantage feels a bit unassailable at times and i have more of a problem with that. But thats an issue in most leagues so state backing cant really be blamed. We're as big a part of the problem as city and psg at this point.