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Uninspiring work in the market so far

They’ve let go Mina, Tom Davies, Andros Townsend, Coady (loan expired), sold Simms

returned From loans: Gomes, Deli Ali, Braithwaite

signed Young, linked to Elanga, Gnonto amongst others

could this be the season they finally go down?

@SilentWitness what’s going on there?
 
Yeah seems that there was actually 1 or 2 worse run clubs than us the past decade or so...

Maybe Dyche can keep them up? Their quality shouldn't really be inspiring much confidence though.
 
Can't believe you didn't wait for me to start a bumper thread like last season. :nono:
 
Relegation threatened all season before finishing 16th
 
I think they'll be fine, Luton are certs in my opinion and Sheff Utd will struggle too especially as Ndiaye is seemingly off so think they will be 2 of the 3. They may be in and around it again but think they'll have enough to survive over a couple of the others that will be down there.
 
I still can't work out how they survived last season. Only three of their players scored more than three goals, Doucoure on five, Gray on six and Dwight McNeil was their top scorer with an incredible seven goals!

The squad looks incredibly weak and the players they are being linked with are basically players that other Premier League clubs don't want.

This should be the season they finally go down, but I think it will be a similar story and they will just about have enough to stay up.
 
I think Dyche has a particular style, he knows what hes doing- and as long as the board back him I think he will prove a few folk wrong. I don’t see Everton being in relegation trouble this coming season.
 
Plant0x84 said:
I think Dyche has a particular style, he knows what hes doing- and as long as the board back him I think he will prove a few folk wrong. I don’t see Everton being in relegation trouble this coming season.
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I’d be surprised if they aren’t. Not enough goals in that side. Defence is not great. Midfield is prob their strong point at the moment but remains to be seen if that will be bypassed
 
GK: Pickford, Virginia, Begovic
LB: Mykolenko, Young
RB: Patterson, Coleman
CB: Tarkowski, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Coady, Mina, Keane, Holgate
CM: Gana, Onana, Garner, Iwobi, Doucoure, Davies, Dele, Gomes, Gbamin
Wingers: McNeil, Gray, Townsend
ST: DCL, Cannon, Maupay, Simms

Bolded - players I'd keep. Italic - Players already gone. Unbolded - Players I would be willing to let go.

I think if we manage to let those players I'd be willing to let go out of the door for a fee and including their wages I think we should be able to get by this window without selling Onana or Pickford which are the only real sellable assets we have currently.

It's a desperately thin squad though in key areas when you're down at the bottom, notably up front. We need at least one striker, a winger (I'd love Gnonto and he brings versatility), a backup GK, ideally a new starting LB too. An additional striker/winger would be handy also. The problem is that we are really fecking skint. I don't know the ins and outs of it but a period of very bad financial decisions + not being a top half side can bloody ruin your projection in terms of FFP and mean you're feeding off scraps for the forseeable.

I think Young is a great signing for his versatility and what he will bring to the dressing room at the club. I think we will likely be bottom half again but the fact that there will be teams like Luton, SU and Bournemouth around the league plus a few others like Burnley and Forest, it's a good chance for a Dyche team to stay up without last day shenanigans. It really does depend again on having a good window and sorting out goals.

I'm excited to see Garner get more game time though.

Ideally I would like/ be fairly happy with this going into next season....

-------------------------------Pickford--------------------------
Patterson --- Branthwaite - Tarkowski ----- LB
----------------------Onana ------- Garner ------------------
RW -----------------Doucoure / Iwobi ----------McNeil
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actually if you were willing to let Adama out on loan I think it would be a good move for us.
 
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golden_blunder said:
I’d be surprised if they aren’t. Not enough goals in that side. Defence is not great. Midfield is prob their strong point at the moment but remains to be seen if that will be bypassed
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I agree there isn’t many goals, they rely on DCL far too much and he was properly broken down last year. If they get him firing or find him some back up (edit - I forgot Maupay!) then they should be good.
I don’t think the defence is too bad. They have old stagers like Keane, Coleman and Tarkers, and young prospects like Branthwaite and Patterson. Surprised they let Coady and Mina go, but I reckon they will keep it tight and aim to win by the odd goal/keep a draw. Losing Pickford would be catastrophic for them.
All in all I think last term was a bit of a perfect storm/clusterfeck for them and I think they will be comfortably mid table.
Even if they struggle I think Luton, Bournemouth, Palace, Burnley, Sheffield and maybe Forest will be beneath them.
 
SilentWitness said:
GK: Pickford, Virginia, Begovic
LB: Mykolenko, Young
RB: Patterson, Coleman
CB: Tarkowski, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Coady, Mina, Keane, Holgate
CM: Gana, Onana, Garner, Iwobi, Doucoure, Davies, Dele, Gomes, Gbamin
Wingers: McNeil, Gray, Townsend
ST: DCL, Cannon, Maupay, Simms

Bolded - players I'd keep. Italic - Players already gone. Unbolded - Players I would be willing to let go.

I think if we manage to let those players I'd be willing to let go out of the door for a fee and including their wages I think we should be able to get by this window without selling Onana or Pickford which are the only real sellable assets we have currently.

It's a desperately thin squad though in key areas when you're down at the bottom, notably up front. We need at least one striker, a winger (I'd love Gnonto and he brings versatility), a backup GK, ideally a new starting LB too. An additional striker/winger would be handy also. The problem is that we are really fecking skint. I don't know the ins and outs of it but a period of very bad financial decisions + not being a top half side can bloody ruin your projection in terms of FFP and mean you're feeding off scraps for the forseeable.

I think Young is a great signing for his versatility and what he will bring to the dressing room at the club. I think we will likely be bottom half again but the fact that there will be teams like Luton, SU and Bournemouth around the league plus a few others like Burnley and Forest, it's a good chance for a Dyche team to stay up without last day shenanigans. It really does depend again on having a good window and sorting out goals.

I'm excited to see Garner get more game time though.

Ideally I would like/ be fairly happy with this going into next season....

-------------------------------Pickford--------------------------
Patterson --- Branthwaite - Tarkowski ----- LB
----------------------Onana ------- Garner ------------------
RW -----------------Doucoure / Iwobi ----------McNeil
------------------------------DCL/ST-----------------------------

actually if you were willing to let Adama out on loan I think it would be a good move for us.
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Jeeze your squad is worse than I thought. A few injuries and you’re in trouble. Striker is also a massive glaring hole for you guys too I see, DCL is like Mr Glass. I even heard a rumour that you might get Wout as Dyche has worked with him before.
I thought Gomes was ok for you guys but no idea What the plan is there for him.
looks like you will be shopping in the loan market plus whatever you can find in the bargain bins. Sad that a club like Everton has come To that
 
Got enough in midfield to be competitive and McNeill actually did really well in the run in so he benefited from Dyche managing him again.

Beyond that...oh dear. They surely won't be repeating the error of thinking Calvert Lewin can even be fit for 20 games. Their CB options are really bad if anything happens to Tarkowski. At least last season they had Coady and Mina featuring in around 30 games but both gone now so that looks like the big weakness until they sign someone there.
 
FootballHQ said:
Got enough in midfield to be competitive and McNeill actually did really well in the run in so he benefited from Dyche managing him again.

Beyond that...oh dear. They surely won't be repeating the error of thinking Calvert Lewin can even be fit for 20 games. Their CB options are really bad if anything happens to Tarkowski. At least last season they had Coady and Mina featuring in around 30 games but both gone now so that looks like the big weakness until they sign someone there.
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I think we might get one in on loan but I feel like this is going to be a breakout for Branthwaite, he’s an absolute unit.
 
I think Elanga on a permanent and Pellistri out on loan to them isn't the worst option for both United and Everton tbh.

Too bad Everton are skint else we could have sorted out the entire team with Maguire, McFred, Martial etc. ! I think all the ex-United players there have done well ?!
 
SilentWitness said:
I think we might get one in on loan but I feel like this is going to be a breakout for Branthwaite, he’s an absolute unit.
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How about loaning Maguire with an obligation to buy if you avoid relegation?
I genuinely think Maguire could do great in a Dyche-team.
 
userman said:
How about loaning Maguire with an obligation to buy if you avoid relegation?
I genuinely think Maguire could do great in a Dyche-team.
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I would rather buy someone who was young and with potential. We have enough plodders.
 
userman said:
How about loaning Maguire with an obligation to buy if you avoid relegation?
I genuinely think Maguire could do great in a Dyche-team.
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Maguire takes a lot of unnecessary stick, he would be fantastic in a Dyche team and would keep Everton up. Instantly becomes their best player, although I am sure he would aim higher should he leave Man Utd.
 
userman said:
How about loaning Maguire with an obligation to buy if you avoid relegation?
I genuinely think Maguire could do great in a Dyche-team.
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I feel Everton need to forget about the big name, big money players and start building from the ground up with younger players that Dyche can develop. I agree that Maguire could do a job for them but its a tough call for a club with financial problems.
 
I would get some stick if I admitted this in public but I was secretly hoping the club would give dyche a nice payoff for last season and then appointed Potter as new head coach. At least, we would have a style of play to look forward to and something for the long term to get excited about.

Now, we've got to watch some pretty grim stuff. But eh, I think he'll keep us out of a end of season relegation fight. So, there is that.
 
DixieDean said:
I would get some stick if I admitted this in public but I was secretly hoping the club would give dyche a nice payoff for last season and then appointed Potter as new head coach. At least, we would have a style of play to look forward to and something for the long term to get excited about.

Now, we've got to watch some pretty grim stuff. But eh, I think he'll keep us out of a end of season relegation fight. So, there is that.
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I would take a Potter coached team over a Dyche team every day of the week. Dyche will do the job for you but as you say but it's a tough watch.
 
I'm guessing they're probably suffering the ramifications of all that awful spending, right? It might be difficult for them to spend all that much in terms of FFP. Hence some wheeler dealing with "pragmatic" options like Young. I could be wrong but that's what it looks like.

I think what they have to do as much as signings is get Calvert-Lewin fit and firing. If they do that they won't be relegated. He might not be a world beater but he makes a difference for them.
 


Came out of nowhere! Surprised he's moving from Sporting this early, has potential but very raw, interested to see what the fee is.
 
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Came out of nowhere! Surprised he's moving from Sporting this early, has potential but very raw, interested to see what the fee is.
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Talks of 15M plus objectives here in Portugal.

I am lot mad about this sale. I think Youssef has resells interesting physical attributed to make him a good striker however he is not their yet and for 15M it allows us to further invest in the squad and avoid losing some of our top players (if any at all) after losing Ugarte.

I think this deal works out well for all three parties.

Everton fans, Chermiti is going to be a project player so be patient with him, with that being said the best way I’ll describe Chermiti is, I won’t be surprised if he turns out good but I also would not be shocked if he was a dud. Still super raw.
 
An interesting summer for Everton so far, in that we have been targeting the right players and look to have a DoF that has the right intentions, despite not quite getting *any* over the line as of yet.

So what's the story?

GK: Pickford, Virginia, Begovic
LB: Mykolenko, Young, Nkounkou, Vinagre
RB: Patterson, Coleman
CB: Tarkowski, Godfrey, Branthwaite, Coady, Mina, Keane, Holgate
CM: Gana, Onana, Garner, Iwobi, Doucoure, Davies, Dele, Gomes, Gbamin
Wingers: McNeil, Gray, Danjuma, Townsend
ST: DCL, Cannon, Maupay, Simms, Kean

Let's look back to last season and the squad from last year first. There are rumours that Thelwell was battling against the owner/Kenwright in terms of players last season and Maupay was a club signing rather than a DoF target. They wanted a player with more experience and he wanted to sign someone from his European target list. Now, Maupay has been a bad signing but I think that's also because he doesn't fit our style of play at all. I have no doubt if he moves to another club that don't expect him to be a main target man he'll be fine, but he should never have been signed to be used in the way we did and I hope they now see that as a we should listen to the DoF in future signing. Aside from that we have sold Simms for a good fee and got Mina off the wage bill who despite being our best CB was on a ridiculous contract. Kean also has left as the mandatory purchase in his Juventus contract was activated.

We have brought in Young to bolster our full back options and I can see him being our starting LB and Danjuma will likely be a starting forward option. Gray is probably going to be on the way out to Fulham but as we play them first and we haven't replaced him we are stalling that deal. I'm sad to see him leave as when he's at his best he's excellent but he's far too inconsistent for his age and if we get 10m ish which is rumoured then that's great for us considering we only bought him for 1.5m.

So who are we targeting or have we been targeting?

Our problem is that we have to be careful with FFP and aren't allowed putting down large initial down payments so we have to be inventive. Our first option and someone we have been tracking since January was Bilal-Toure who ended up at Atalanta. Kudus is someone we have been tracking since last summer but now looks likely to join Brighton and is now out of our price range.

We have been tracking Gnonto since the start of the summer and that looks like it might now get pushed through. He's been liking social media posts with him in an Everton kit and now it seems like Leeds are going to sell. Other loan to buy options are being explored - there are conflicting reports regarding Ekitike at PSG and the two Leicester boys (Daka and Iheanacho). We also have Chermiti being wrapped up now who is a complete out of the blue type signing. There were little to no reports and everything happened fairly quickly. I expect that to be announced today or tomorrow.

Despite not quite getting any over the line before the first game this week I do think we are targeting the right profile of player which gives me hope for the future. I don't expect us to do anything special this season but I think we should have enough about us once players are over the line to finish mid table without a relegation battle. I really don't think Luton or SU have enough to have a chance of staying up so it's basically a battle for 18th and if we get those attacking options in then we have enough experience and quality in CM and defence to be fine.

I think our top targets this summer were Bilal-Toure, Gnonto and Danjuma. If we get the latter two that would be good work but we need to get one more of those B options on top of Chermiti for me to feel happy in our attacking depth. Saying that, Dobbin has been lively in pre-season so I won't be aggrieved if he's a backup option this season.
 
Everton are that turd you do on a Monday morning which refuses to flush and is still there on a Tuesday.
 
jeff gurr said:
I feel Everton need to forget about the big name, big money players and start building from the ground up with younger players that Dyche can develop. I agree that Maguire could do a job for them but its a tough call for a club with financial problems.
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Gift wrap him and send him down the East Lancs in an Uber with a "with love from Erik" tag on him.
 
They are definitely in trouble, I think they'll be looking again to see if there are 3 worse teams in the league. They won't get enough goals and an injury in MF and they are gonna ship goals
 
I still think we will be fine when we get more attackers in and we drop Keane. Last season Dyche came in, persisted with Keane and we were wank. He dropped him, we looked better and survived.
 
Their squad is appalling. Going down.
 
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