I just don't see how De Gea's ability to play the ball has been impacted here. His vision has not been compromised and the thing stopping him from reaching it is the deflection off our player and his lack of rubber-like extendo arms.
As I said before...
I think people are just looking at De Gea and the fact that it is highly unlikely that he would have saved it... it feels like that should impact the decision, but it doesn't.
Aye you're right. It's hypothetical whether or not he would have saved it, the fact of the matter is that his chances of saving it were influenced by a player sitting on his arse in his line of sight. Of course the goal shouldn't have stood.
So you're saying it's on De Gea to know that Gylfi would definitely get out of the way of the ball? Surely he can't know that?
It's a deflection, so its still offside.
Bingo. This is the correct answer to this entire discussion. He was in the balls path and very much a part of the play. This is a offside even if its the 90th minute of the CL 3-3 final and Phil Jones retracts his leg after a Rashford screamer from 30m out.http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-11---offside
Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
- preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
- making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
Siggurdson is very obviously obstructing DDG's view. He even has to move his feet out of the way to let the ball past, which makes it impossible for the 'keeper to know what's going to happen next and react accordingly (ie. the second of the bullet points I posted).
It's offside by any measure.
Nope I look at decisions on their merit not change my opinion as it’s my team it affects.
Yes.
DDG doesnt need to have his view completley obscured for the offside player to be in his line of vision.
I agree. I thought it should have been given.
This sums it up for me
Of course it was a red. He deliberately used his arm to block a shot that was going on target. Doesn't get any more red than that.
The offside rules have been tinkered with so much it is little wonder different people interpret them differently. No need to be offensive if others don't agree with your interpretation.
I find that extremely hard to believe. Even in this thread many United-fans seem to be so hellbent on feeling injustice for the opposition that they blindly ignore simple rules. I'd bet that if they had the rule on their side they wouldn't even care. They would have been too busy to berate the club for losing instead. We deserved to win that game and would have done so if it weren't for the ref and Everton's extremely lucky goal.
It’s not being offensive. It’s just facts. Sometimes their are just plain facts
What makes me ratty is that there seem to be people here that seem to be very close to thinking or wanting it to be, that offside is just kicking the ball when you are offside.
It's a much easier decision to make with VAR. I can't see how the officials don't come to the same decision here with VAR 99% of the time. As the shot is taken, an opposing player is in an offside position and commits an offside offence by being so close to the goalkeeper by interfering with his view. The ball could have flown straight in the top-left corner for an unsaveable worldie, and it would still be offside. I think people are missing the point by suggesting he was offside because he had to move his legs for the ball to go in. That makes no difference. It's the player being so close in front of the goalkeeper and impairing his view that is the only thing that matters.
No. Harry didn’t play the ball.
That's well explained.
It's because VAR was involved.
No. You’re wrong.
As much as I hate that ‘Close Thread’ nonsense....
I agree, and disagree.
I thought they were standing offside at free kicks to distract the keeper and then it got changed so they couldn't do that.
I think the 2 of you are very much on the same page and are pretty much bang on right, too.
Hmmmm. I don’t know if that’s true. Would have to check. I’d back myself, but not across all leagues admittedly.
It seems to have gone unnoticed, but DDG made an incredible save in the leadup to that incident.
