Wide playmaker. Young and Valencia were the two tasked with providing width that game. Mata was allowed to come inside and cut in. Similar to what we've been doing before that when AdM was on the right and Young on the left, although I think this role suits Mata more. Di Maria is too direct for it.
'False' positions
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
They mean different things.
- Inside-right is a historical designation and implies a particular system and the inside-right's relationship to the other players in that system.
- Inverted-winger is specifically a winger who plays on the side opposite his stronger foot, usually to allow the fullback to exploit the space out wide. The position still demands certain of the traditional qualities associated with wingers like speed, dribbling, and agility.
- False winger, going on the analogy with false nine, is a term that emphasises the intention to cause uncertainty in the opposition, whether the fullback tracks the winger or not and who should pick him up. You can play Mata on the left as a false winger, but he wouldn't be an inverted winger.
- Wide playmaker I haven't heard so much about, but it seems to imply an opposition to winger, i.e., a wide playmaker is not the fastest, he doesn't run down the flanks and get to the byline, he drops back to pick up the ball from deep, etc.
- You missed the inside-forward, which is a goalscorer who starts out wide/in the channel and comes in looking to score, like David Villa during his last good period.
Just struck me that Fellaini actually plays as a false #10. Very false infact, as he plays so many different roles and positions during a match.
Raumdauter would be a more accurate word. A raumdauter, Thomas Müller for instance, mainly looks for goals, while an inside forward creates just as much as attempting to score goals.
What? Do you think the descriptions are wrong? Do you think it's wrong to describe what a player does and give it a name?
Raumdeuter. I guess I tend to think of Müller as the only Raumdeuter in existence.
Haha yeah there aren't many. Moussa Sow would be another one.
I'd actually say that Ronaldo is a raumdeuter.
Or maybe a false raumdeuter as he moves around so much (ok this is getting ridiculus).
That's an inside forward.
Difficult. I wouldn't consider Ronaldo/Stoichkov as raumdeuters because of the fact that their runs are more often made just for their own good. If they think they can receive a ball they'll make the run - a Raumdeuter would play with the zonal marking and force space to be created where they want to for their teammates.
As well as of course making runs in to space for themselves.
Credit to the 'pool fan who started the false 9 jokes with Lambert! Copy cats, you lot 
The question is what a "false-Raumdeuter" would be.
the false nine is older than Lambert, though.Credit to the 'pool fan who started the false 9 jokes with Lambert! Copy cats, you lot
A real winger or attacking midfielder.
It was mostly a joke. Given the fact that "false" means that the player moves around making space in his original position while playing other positions/roles at times, a false raumdeuter would be a raumdeuter who moves in to he striker position playing as a #9 (at times) or something like that.
Inception.
Stop making false accusations against Fellaini mate.
It was a compliment on his versatility
Inception.
I know mate. I was just falsely accusing you of making false accusations on Fellaini who was indeed very much a false 10 as you said taking up so many false positions. Ok ill get my coat now.It was a compliment on his versatility
Stop making false accusations. Stop being such a false poster.Stampy G is a false landlord. He has the freedom to raise Brentan's rent however much he wants after being left out yesterday.
Squirtle is a false Pokémon.
Suarez is a false human being.
Etc.
Seriously, I think there's too much tactical terminology these days.
Squirtle is a false Pokémon.
Suarez is a false human being.
Etc.
Seriously, I think there's too much tactical terminology these days.
Inverted winger right? Left footer on right side business
The name of a role isn't at all important the actual function the player performs is what matters and since all players are fairly unique and have different pro's/cons in every position it can lead to certain sterotypes being mashed together. I mean Messi is called a false 9 but his actual position is traditionally much more like a 10 it's just that his finishing and ability in the final 3rd mean Barca have played with no striker or put the likes of Villa/Henry on the left to let Messi be central which leads to false 9.
Just putting out there.. Can we say people like Chris Ramsay and Tim Sherwood considered false managers? promoted from assistant but never really considered as full fledge managers (I guess they are already called caretaker manager)?
More like a raumdeuter that drifts inside. It's all football manager terminology now.
Nice one.
The inside-left/right position is very relevant in today's game. The space traditionally occupied by the winger or outside-left/right is now typically used by the overlapping full-back. The inside-right/left is now part of a different system but it's still a clear part of the game. The main reason the term has fallen out of favour is because of wannabe tactical gurus indulging the new FM/FIFA/PES lingo.
Agreed. And a sweeper is a false goalkeeper. What happened to sweepers? Bring back sweepers!
You are absolutely right about the importance of the position, but it is precisely because the position is important that there are more specific terms describing different ways of filling that position.
I also like how people are attributing the proliferation of technical language to "wannabe tactical gurus indulging the new FM/FIFA/PES lingo." Where do you think that lingo came from? Which "wannabe tactical guru" used the phrase that led to this thread?
From the web.
Tactics and tinkering has resulted the theory of “False Wingers”. Unlike conventional wingers the only time they hug the touchline is when their names are put out on the team-sheet. They are a breed between wide men and trequartistas. They have an incredible passing range and love to roam infield and play some intricate passes with the other midfielders and forwards to ultimately release a player on the run with a through ball.
With possession the name of the game in modern day football, teams tend to play with False Wingers who roam around in the space between the opposition’s midfield and defence in the inside left/right channel which makes it difficult for them to be marked out of the game
I 'd best retire from coaching at the highest level I don't think I can tell my 'false 9' from my '10', tbh.
On the whole though the new language is largely coming, not from the managers, but from either the gamer side or through the tactical blogger side (Wilson/Cox/Williams/etc). With the latter it's often good debate and a damn sight better than what you typically get in most of the papers. At the same time, there's a vested interest in there around creating new tactical concepts and positions to further their own careers, rather than re-using existing terminology.
I believe that David Moyes was our first false manager.
New tactical systems, new terminology. They're ways of understanding and describing what is happening. Once you understand chemistry, you no longer use alchemical terms. And systems are also changing. Trying to adapt the term "inside-right" to fit all the ways of playing that position now would be like trying to define modern corporations and companies in terms of mediaeval guilds; possible, sure, but why bother when there are more precise and appropriate terms available?
Neuer is false sweeper maybe?
false midfielder
Maybe Ronaldo is a false traumdeuter...
The terminology Raumdeuter comes from Müller to discribe what he does on the field.
The interview from January 2011
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/thomas-mueller-im-gespraech-ich-bin-ein-raumdeuter-1.1043798
It is not about positions but about strengths.
His position at that time was the shadowstriker or shadow peak - that was how van Gaal named the position for him and Litmanen even if Litmanen was much more a playmaker.