Funny reading their entitled posts on Barca forum.
They're 'sick of football', they need 'a break' and their 'fall into hell' continues
They're 'sick of football', they need 'a break' and their 'fall into hell' continues
FC Barcelona 2016/2017
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Sucks for him but he doesn't have a say in that, he's coming back to warm the bench.
Unless we somehow end up with a great manager and summer signings that enable us to play 433 with Messi in the role Iniesta has been doing and Deulofeu as our right winger, but that would mean having to overhaul our whole defense
The only midfielder they have thats up to standard is Busquets, they need two partners for him and two new fullbacks plus a backup cb.
They can't take it slowly due to Pique, Suarez and Messi approaching the wrong side of 30. It's now two seasons of being meh in Europe and it's not so easy to keep up with the elite clubs, Neymar could be looking around thinking is it worth the wait?
Its a mess, the only club I ever heard of that lost money due to bonuses paid out when they won the CL.
They're now in a market with overspending English sides and a filth rich Bayern who are in the same boat. The transfer market at the top is very narrow
Time to ship him out then.Actually...Iniesta is on €15M a year in base salary which can rise up to €18M with bonuses. Mascherano is on roughly €11/12M a year. That's £242k a week for Iniesta, and £193k a week for Masche. That's £435k a week between the two of them, and that doesn't include bonuses
As for Suarez, he's on roughly £515k a week. If those three were on £100k a week(which is ridiculous to even think about it, honestly), you'd be saving up £600k a week in wages
also? Messi makes £650k a week, AND he wants double that to sign a new contract...
I don't get it really. He has absolute truck loads of money and it is clear if Barca were to pay that it would require populating the team with crappy players.
Why would you want to spend the last years of a magnificent club career being the overpaid legend turned donkey surrounded by dross? It was hard enough to fathom with Rooney when it wasn't even remotely cash-strapping the club.
If Cristiano has something on Messi it's that he would always put winning stuff first. From this to the way he keeps influencing coach selections and sackings, or teammates, he fully deserves his lack of international success.
Yeah you laugh, but you have Morata doing the same
They wouldn't be at your club if that's what they were offered.
You're forgetting the time Cristiano was "sad" and started a storm in the club, I think every time he has closed a deal he ended up being the top earner player in the world.
And Messi is a complete different story, even if we have to pay him truck loads of money we never had to spend 100M to get him, we're not going to lose 100M in wage difference between him and a player close to his level. There's no reason to sell him
So,who would you sell? Do you like Coutinho?Yeah you laugh, but you have Morata doing the same
Oh ok
So you are saying you are OK with committing to spending more than 10% of your revenue on a single player's wages for 4 years? Good luck with that.
All players engage in nonsense to better their salaries, but I don't think I've ever seen one also lording it over who the manager is, who can or can't play, etc. the way Messi does.
He is a brilliant player that has delivered loads over the years, but you are at the crossroads where the cancer he is starts weighing more heavily than his performances.
They have swept all aside and won a CL with Rakitic, Alba and Busquets before so I don't see why they couldn't do so again. If these same players played when they won 2 years ago, are they suddenly not good enough? doesn't add up in my book. They could plug other gaps e.g. sign Verratti and their midfield, with 2 champions league winners and a world cup winner, will certainly be up to standard.
Who are the elite clubs that are so far ahead? Last year they were knocked out by athletico who Barcelona beat to the league title. Every season, the last 4 has been different, so there isn't a fixed elite group of clubs. The 2 Madrid clubs can claim to be CL elite, yet Barcelona proved the best team in Spain last season so..............
Yep, when Neymar decides Barcelona can no longer match his ambitions, I am sure he can join us in the Europa League. He would destroy Anderlecht and Genk for sure
A new joga bonito coach, a good right back (even Alves returning home) and Verratti in midfield a la Xavi, plus the offloading of 3-4 misfits being replaced by canteran youngsters or brazilian prodigies and they are back on track, as good as anyone for another couple of seasons.
The only plus side of selling Messi is that you might get close to 200M if things go well, but then you have a lot of problems
- Clubs know you're flush, prepare to be asked 90M to sign Fellaini
- Messi is a sure thing, even at his worst he's top 5 in the world, that's not easy to replace
- You anger everyone in Barcelona, fail to win a title after selling Messi and you're in the street next summer
- Oh, and I forgot, you might have to end playing against Messi, you make a rival team stronger
I explained it in this post weeks ago, the idea this board has is that its better to keep Neymar and Messi on huge wages with part of those wages being paid as signing bonus with money from the transfer budget, than losing them for peanuts due to contract problems, or selling them and spending 200M in replacements that fail to fill that void, exactly what happened with Figo
I don't watch Liverpool much, but for the couple games I've seen Coutinho I think his only role (midfielder) wouldn't work with us, not the kind of guy who would excel at replacing Iniesta
I'd sell or let go: Vidal, Mathieu, Mascherano, Rafinha, Turan, Gomes.
Try to make the conversion with Messi to a pure 10 or CM like Iniesta has been playing, we get back Deulofeu, Munir and maybe even Tello (we really lack some Masia character in this squad) and sign a defensive RB, two CB's (one who can also cover the RB), a DM and another CM.
Then I would try two formations, 3-5-2 with Messi as a 10, double CM and fullbacks for tough/away games , or a 4-2-3-1 with Deulofeu, Messi and Neymar playing behind Suarez
That treble season was a "fluke" imho, not as much as we were dreadful, but we got really lucky with our matchups in the UCL final stage, we avoided Atletico and played against trigger-happy teams that let the MSN thrive (City, Psg and Bayern)
This squad still has the potential to get some titles and another flukey UCL but it's not consistent enough to do well in a competition where eventually you're going to face Atletico, Juventus, Real or even Chelsea if you want to win, most of the time we're defending counters with 3 guys, even Vardy and Mahrez could destroy us if they had a good day
Even those sides you named are not dominant in the champions league, bar Madrid teams. Maybe you are expecting too much? If you are concerned about both Madrid teams, Juve, Chelsea, Bayern, then all that proves is that there is a lot of competition and it is unlikely to dominate.
RB, CM maybe CAM if there is an opportunity. And new manager of course. Other than that, the team is fine.
The main fault lies with the manager imo. He's been completely and utterly outclassed by Allegri. Enrique is just bad at tactics and player selections. Simple as that. You can't be super competitive with these two problems.
The main fault lies with the manager imo. He's been completely and utterly outclassed by Allegri. Enrique is just bad at tactics and player selections. Simple as that. You can't be super competitive with these two problems.
I'd be happy to go into those legs with 50/50 chances of going through, but what I'm trying to say is that it seems they can walk over us just by doing "ok" by their usual standards of not screwing up, and we need Neymar or Messi pulling some kind of miracle to score a goal, let alone a couple of goals.
Now don't get me wrong, I know we can't always win, or even make the final/semis every year or two years. But I'd like to see a little more from a team that has 3 generational talents playing upfront. Yesterday could be a good example, I can't ask to turn around the leg winning 3 or 4-0 against Juve, but I'd like to see this team create more chances and the midfield doing a much better job to support the MSN
Deulofeu was barely good at Everton. Everton fans wanted him gone for ages now
Funny reading their entitled posts on Barca forum.
They're 'sick of football', they need 'a break' and their 'fall into hell' continues
All while watching Messi, Neymar and Suarez each week,
the heart bleeds.
It does feel like the end of an era for Barcelona now - they need to freshen up the team and change the manager. They still are capable of great things but some work needs doing.
Come support a team struggling to get into the CL.Funny reading their entitled posts on Barca forum.
They're 'sick of football', they need 'a break' and their 'fall into hell' continues
The cracks are appearing, Enrique is bailing out as he doesn't want to take on a major rebuilding job - they always look likely to ship goals and Iniesta is that bit older. Messi apparently isn't happy either and Dani Alves was making noises about leaving due to problems at boardroom level. All is not well at Camp Nou, if they didn't have such a stellar forward line they would be in trouble, but even that couldn't help them against Juventus. Watching the game last night, it looked from quite early on that Barcelona weren't really up for it, don't think the players looked as though they believed they could turn it around, Messi had a sour puss on him practically the whole game.
They need a few new players and need to get their high pressing game back, they've lost that high pressing style under Enrique
You can only play that way with the right sort of players. Barcelona will need to freshen up their team a lot to be able to get back to that.
Iniesta would be. He is Barca from the inside out. Not sure about Suarez or Masche.
Surely those numbers can be right.Actually...Iniesta is on €15M a year in base salary which can rise up to €18M with bonuses. Mascherano is on roughly €11/12M a year. That's £242k a week for Iniesta, and £193k a week for Masche. That's £435k a week between the two of them, and that doesn't include bonuses
As for Suarez, he's on roughly £515k a week. If those three were on £100k a week(which is ridiculous to even think about it, honestly), you'd be saving up £600k a week in wages
also? Messi makes £650k a week, AND he wants double that to sign a new contract...
People poke fun at United for putting Lingard on a 100k/week contract, but if we're paying twice that much for a 33 year old Mascherano who has been one of our worst players this season, then this club is even dumber than I ever imagined.
With distinct playing style based on skill and intricate passing patterns, their football came closest to artistry and they've been a beacon of light in the world of professional football, which is mainly dull and cynical, all about winning at all costs, with increasing emphasis on power and athleticism. No wonder they became sort of a scapegoat for some strange collective neuroses; most people actually prefer their games to be crass and simple, and can't stand anything that doesn't fit the standard, even more so if it is successful.
Unfortunately, they've pretty much lost their way in recent years. Intricate patterns and interplay have faded, their game becoming individualistic and not much different from other top clubs. But they certainly won't get it back by adding more power, pace and athleticism.
Unfortunately, they've pretty much lost their way in recent years. Intricate patterns and interplay have faded, their game becoming individualistic and not much different from other top clubs. But they certainly won't get it back by adding more power, pace and athleticism.
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Kids kids you are both just horrible!Yeah you laugh, but you have Morata doing the same
Who is the favourite for the Barca poisoned chalice?
Ernesto Valverde.
The 4231 sounds good although I have doubts about Deulofeu coming back and his consistency to get a place.
1 or 2 midfielders and promote Carles Aleñá, that kid from the academy that everybody praise.
Poor Turan,he is enjoying so much Barna's casino
.Barcelona need good players, not La Masia rejects.
With all that said, barcelona's problem is very simple
Go look at the average km run/game stat per season from 2008/09 to 2015/16, then compare it to 2016/17...
Go look at the average km run/game stat per season from 2008/09 to 2015/16, then compare it to 2016/17...
Those are the numbers reported by the media(including barcelona-based media). Mascherano was supposedly on €5/5.5M a year, and then they gave him a new contract last fall, bumping that up(how much wasn't revealed, so i stuck with what he was earning on his previous contract)Surely those numbers can be right.
We are talking about Barca, not Arsenal. I know my team are a complete mess and need a massive overhaul as well.says the Arsenal fan when Bayern put 10 past you. Barcelona can compete with Real and do every season, yet these sides annihilate the likes of you
According to the last couple of pages here it seems as if Barca's squad has been replaced by Wigan's reserves and they are on the brink of being relegated in La liga.. It's funny what a couple of poor games can do.
Yes their squad is pretty thin and they obviously need a few new players to cope with that but the over reaction going on in here is way over the top. They are still very much in the race for the league title (as well as having the most goals scored and least goals conceded) and they were eliminated by a team which is a hell of a lot better than people give them credit for in the CL. The only thing Barca should be embarrassed about is the thrashing in Paris a few weeks back, but they sort of made up for that at Camp Nou imo by doing something very, very few teams could've done.
I guess their previous success is the reason for this hissy fit but it's rediculous to read some posts that suggests that they need to replace half their team to be able to compete again.
Yes their squad is pretty thin and they obviously need a few new players to cope with that but the over reaction going on in here is way over the top. They are still very much in the race for the league title (as well as having the most goals scored and least goals conceded) and they were eliminated by a team which is a hell of a lot better than people give them credit for in the CL. The only thing Barca should be embarrassed about is the thrashing in Paris a few weeks back, but they sort of made up for that at Camp Nou imo by doing something very, very few teams could've done.
I guess their previous success is the reason for this hissy fit but it's rediculous to read some posts that suggests that they need to replace half their team to be able to compete again.
I'd rather pay 500k/week to someone like Mascherano that has helped us become a powerhouse and always plays his heart out, than 100k/week to 5 Andre Gomes.Surely those numbers can be right.
People poke fun at United for putting Lingard on a 100k/week contract, but if we're paying twice that much for a 33 year old Mascherano who has been one of our worst players this season, then this club is even dumber than I ever imagined.
And the same goes for Iniesta or Pique when he signs his last big contract in a couple years, we need to stablish a club culture where players like Neymar know they won't get shafted in the long term if they choose to stay here. We traveled the other way 20 years ago and we ended up losing Ronaldo, Figo and not winning a single trophy in 5 seasons
We were paying Schweinsteiger over £200k a week and we're paying Rooney even more. We really have no room to poke fun at others when our club leads the pack when it comes to wasting money.Surely those numbers can be right.
People poke fun at United for putting Lingard on a 100k/week contract, but if we're paying twice that much for a 33 year old Mascherano who has been one of our worst players this season, then this club is even dumber than I ever imagined.
They've become my least favorite team. They cry to the refs upon every single physical contact. It's just so hard to watch. When things don't go their way and the ref doesn't give in to their flopping, it's so funny to see them lose their minds.