Sutton was on fire in 95 too
Footballer who carried the whole team
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Matt le Tissier
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Incredible isn't it ?The only person who carried us while Sir Alex was here was Sir Alex himself. If Ronaldo carried us in any way, why did we reach a champions league final and win 2 league titles and were 1 point off winning another 2 titles, along with another cup win?
De Gea has more or less carried us as much as a goalkeeper can carry a team since Fergie retired though. Suarez at Liverpool and Bale at Spurs the obvious recent mentions.
De Gea has more or less carried us as much as a goalkeeper can carry a team since Fergie retired though. Suarez at Liverpool and Bale at Spurs the obvious recent mentions.
Matt Le Tissier for Southampton
Great shout and possibly the winning answer. You can with reasonable certainty say that Southampton would have been relegated on more than one occasion without his goals.
It's why I mentioned him
Mascherano played 5 league games before leaving for Liverpool in January - and they lost every single one of them. They got their shit together in March and won 7 of their last 9 games to save themselves from relegation.
(Not a player) I say Simeone, as a manager for Atletico. Even after losing important player season after seaosn he keep them highly competitive. I don't think any other person (Mou/Pep included) would be able to make Atletico play this well and challege the biggest teams of the world. You can bet anytime that they will never give you a easy game, and yet their budget is less than average EPL teams. No single player in the world has the same impact what he has for them.
Suarez is the most obvious one. Before and after evidence is distinct.
How about Okocha for Bolton?
Kinkladze for City
Lineker at Leicester
Yashin for Poland
How about Okocha for Bolton?
Kinkladze for City
Lineker at Leicester
Yashin for Poland
David de Gea for United last season (if we consider 4th place as glory)
A lot of people say this, but it isn't true. Gazzeta (which back then was highly rated and respected), gave to Maradona only the fourth highest grade for the entire season.
Zidane certainly didn't carry France in '98 and 2000, though he did an excellent job in leading them in 2006 (until his madness moment).
Napoli had one of the finest defense in Europe led by the legend Ciro Ferrara who won 8 Serie-A titles with Napoli and Juventus. Add to that players like Bagni, De napoli, Giordano, Carnevale and Careca who were all experienced international players for Brazil and Italy.A lot of people say this, but it isn't true. Gazzeta (which back then was highly rated and respected), gave to Maradona only the fourth highest grade for the entire season.
Zidane certainly didn't carry France in '98 and 2000, though he did an excellent job in leading them in 2006 (until his madness moment).
Georgi Hagi for Romania.
How can Cantons have carried us in a team that had the class of 92, Schmikes etc?
Big difference between best player and someone carrying a team
Because he took us over the line to win our first title in since 1967, he made the difference.
He didn't carry the whole team by any stretch of imagination
No one obviously but Jay-Jay Okocha from Bolton comes to mind under Big Sam..
di Natale at Udinese?
I like the Riquelme shout. At Villarreal they had a very decent team, but they all marched to the beat of Riquelme's drum. And really that was the only way to get the best out of the man.
Not as convinced about Aguero there, although he had many fine moments. Forlan would be my Atletico shout, certainly the season he notched 32 goals in 33 league games.
Whatever, I couldn't even be bothered arguing about it.
Maradona - Argentina WC '90 got to them to the Final with help from Caniggia - rest of team were pretty ordinary really.
You don't want to debate an opinion on a forum? Replying 'whatever' makes you sound far younger than you are
No, it doesn't.
Maradona - Argentina
CR7 - Portugal
Batistuta and then Rui Costa - Fiorentina
CR7 - Portugal
Batistuta and then Rui Costa - Fiorentina
If you're referring to 1998, Zidane was suspended for 2 of the 7 games, having been sent off in another. He was not France's best player that tournament, but did memorably score twice in the final. That seems to be the abiding memory.
No, it merely indicates I have better things to do than to argue the toss over whether Cantona carried the team over the line for our first Championship for 25 years or not. I bet you wish we had someone like him now, or Roy Keane, for example.
Even if I did, what does that prove? You seem rather uptight
I will let you get onIt's our busiest time of the year & I've done feck all today.Even if I did, what does that prove? You seem rather uptight
So post on a football foprum and get stressed when someone replies?
I'm not sure if you are having me on, but do your job and go on redcafe after!!Ariel Ortega WC 98.
Ballack WC 2002.
Currently I think Cabaye is leading Crystal Palace in a very good way. I think he should be moved to a bigger club than that. I don't understand why we're not looking at him.
Ballack WC 2002.
Currently I think Cabaye is leading Crystal Palace in a very good way. I think he should be moved to a bigger club than that. I don't understand why we're not looking at him.
Owen - Liverpool, winning the famous Treble.
Effenberg - Bayern.
Totti - Roma
Zidane - France
Effenberg - Bayern.
Totti - Roma
Zidane - France
Forlan was great but Aguero at times was the best player in a league which had Messi and CR7. Always stepped up against the best teams. And by the time Forlan and Simao were just really bad, Aguero carried the team. He was starting to be considered the best player in Atletico's history.
I feel you may be overlooking Veron & Battistuta a tiny bit.
Also AO less than helpfully nutted van der Sar in the QF (was it?)
In recent years Suarez probably has to top the list. David Villa is a good shout for Spain in the World Cup as well.
Mascherano barely featured for West Ham and they lost almost all the games he did play. Then he left for Liverpool after half a season.
Edit: Skills got there before me.
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I think it's evident that Messi's carrying Barca for years by now. The one time he wasn't around, Bayern ripped them to shreds. The next time, when he was fit, it looked quite differently.