Too open ended of questions. Obfuscation tome incoming.
Foreign secretary advice to LGBT fans.... Be respectful
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Oh right you are mate, no tradition of Homophobic chants. Just a tradition of rampant state approved Homophobia.
Some just don't get it, do they?The whole argument is silly. The problems with Qatar are current. The 1994 US World Cup was almost 20 years after the Vietnam War. And what does it matter that 50 years ago "nobody" (I am sure that is wrong) demanded a boycott of the US. It's 2022, if people have become more vigilant than that is a good thing. There is no point discussing with this user, though. He thinks it's "hypocrisy" to criticize anything unless you can track your lineage back to the primordial soup without as much as a speeding ticket. Well, at least when you are from the evil west.
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Are you really that secure in your faith if you can't answer a straightforward question about it?
But hey, at least I've learned something from this. Choosing Love over Hate is an evil Western concept. I did not know that!
But hey, at least I've learned something from this. Choosing Love over Hate is an evil Western concept. I did not know that!
Aye, it's disingenuous and ridiculously transparent.
That's true indeed. You seem to have a hard time separating regimes from people/fans in the Middle East. I don't think people over there (even though homophobia is more widespread than in the West) like to expose their homophobia in public the way many football fans do over here. And I don't believe the homophobic regime of Qatar -with its homophobic laws – approves of homophobic chants.
These regimes want homosexuality under the rug. They don't want it discussed to begin with...
Folks, let the strictly observant user to his own creed and move on? As often on here, different context / culture / affiliation is wilfully ignored, and putting questions to him on a personal level to get some complying answer (to what? The UN basic rights declaration is truly and fully respected in maybe 5% of the inhabited planet) answer will do nothing.
If you think that being gay is sinful or immoral then you don't accept them. You don't view their existence as valid.
Wright spot on with his comments.
Plenty of my atheist friends probably secretly wish I wasn't a Muslim (jihad, terrorist, backwards brown fella). Do they not accept me fully? Do they not view my existence as valid?
I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with your hounding? Each person exists, however they are. They don't need another person to validate their existence.
You seem to want to spin that flippant 'When is Rome' remark into a full blown in depth discussion for some reason mate.
Ok, is homophobic chanting homophobic?
Sorry what? If that’s the case then I’d say they’re not really your friends.
Your friends sound like cnuts
Yes it is homophobic. And it is also much more common in European football than it is in the Middle Eastern stadiums…. Where it’s almost inexistant.
Not saying football fans over there are flawless. Just that it’s not reasonable to blame them for homophobic chants.
Your friends sound like cnuts
Yeah I wouldnt want to hang around with people that felt that my life (my sexual identity or my religion) didnt conform to accepted standards of morality personally, which was what the discussion was about.
You need better friends.
Wouldn't the poster say it's not his choice but gods choice. However if its that black and white its still a choice
WTF. If that’s deep down the hiding opinion your friends have of you then they are Grade A scumbags.
You need a better group of friends if that is their mindset.
Ok good, is Qatar a country with laws against and a long tradition of discrimination towards gay people?
Homophobia can take many forms mate. Some of the Ecuador fans were obviously just putting their own spin on it. But just because it takes a different form doesn't mean it wasn't because those people felt like they were in a comfortable environment to engage in their homophobia.
I think there's a difference between not needing people to validate your existence, and not wanting people to invalidate your existence.
Has there ever been a man more ironically named than Cleverly
See Germany asking CAS if FIFA can enforce threatened sanctions and Denmark said won’t vote to re-elect Infantino.
Sure his “thanks” from Qatar will be more than worth it though.
Sure his “thanks” from Qatar will be more than worth it though.
It's the utter hypocrisy of people. Yes freedom of religion and freedom of sexual orientation is a human right.
So is the freedom not to be bombed and massacred. Especially an illegal foreign invasion and occupation. So much so they protested that they elected the same government and president twice.
Or is it alright to bomb and kill non white people.
Qatar should be boycotted not only in the WC but in everything when they are violating human rights. So should everyone else.
Just no.
No war is moral and im not defending the Vietnam one but to make it out as this evil world dominating dr claw esq action is ridiculous.
I think we found that out several dozen pages ago.
Wtf? Matches should be stopped for anything of that sort. Racist, homophobic, anti sematic, islamaphobia etc. But I have not heard of anything of that sort directly in the middle east.
Nobody here is saying its OK to bomb anybody. That person you are raging against doesn't exist in this conversation.
Like you're not wrong with any of your points of centention in that post but to keep bringing all that into the thread just comes down on the side of those doing the oppression in this conversation. Widening the conversation dilutes the protest, intentionally or not.
I have no no idea where you live but in my sphere the people angry with Qatar are the same people angry with racism here and imperial invasions around the world. You're shouting at people who agree with you.
OK, I disagree but let's not derail the thread. I'd be happy to discuss it elsewhere.
Yeah thats my experience too.
Yeah this isn't the right place to do so.
Weird argument - all of these things were heavily protested against as should Qatar’s laws.
1) I believe the answer to be Yes Qatar does have such laws and a very likely the long tradition of discrimination that goes along with it.
2) No, I don’t think so. I believe we are underestimating the magnitude of homophobia in some segments of Western society, specially in football... The Qatari regime being what it is and acting in this way (banning rainbow flags..) probably gives the bigots around the world some validation for their homophobic views, but it is far from being the main issue/reason we are still struggle with homophobia.
Fifa are cn’ts but UEFA wasn't that brave either last summer.
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I dont know if people are blaming Qatar for the homophobic chants as much as saying that its kind of a safespace for homophobes (in the fandoms of all national sides) to express themselves more openly with less fear of some sort of repercussion.
Ok great, so we both agree we have people engaging in homophobic behaviour in a homophobic country.
'When in Rome'
Indeed.
Bingo.
All these arguments fall apart if you simply go to the General Forum or Current Events section of Redcafe.