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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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lets wait and see until the window is over before throwing praise on the new regime.
This makes no sense, I asked you about your point regarding a crap budget, you told me 150m which in Football is a large budget. The only nonsense I see here is from you, you are being hysterical for no good reason and you are also being irrational, if you don't think that we can turn things around in one season then don't expect a turnaround in one season. It's a bit daft how so many fans create their own doom and gloom by having expectations they don't believe in.
Just because Di Maria didn’t work(and it wasn’t all down to him - he had a sensational start) shouldn’t mean we never try to convince a good player to play for us again.
Players are all individuals and because one player from years ago threw his toys out of the pram, doesn’t mean another completely different indivual won’t be an ultra professional in the same circumstances. Fdj, speaks English, is from a similar climate and most importantly has had his most fruitful working relationship with our current manager. These are all mitigants to the utterly tiresome “Di Maria vibes comparisons”.
Just backwards and stupid logic, one does not equal them all.
How have these state backed clubs become the juggernauts they are today by only purchasing players that really wanted to play for them from the beginning
(hint half of the players didn't even know who the club was they were signing for)Very Cantonaesque, sir
Barca needs to sell before June 30th so we will know anyway
Fletcher was always much more talented than McTominay. He was hugely rated coming through the youth ranks, to the extent that he would have been the youngest player to ever appear in our first team except PL rules didn't allow it as he was still on a schoolboy contract. Once he did break into the team he did struggle for a few years, but that was at least partly due to physical limitations as he was just so damn weak and easy to push around at that age (which is why he largely played out wide to reduce how much that would be targeted). By the time he was McTominay's current age he'd grown into his body and was a very important part of our starting 11, to the extent that he was being picked in the PFA Premier League Team of the Year. Unfortunately his illness hit him soon after so he only had about two years at a top level.
McTominay is largely expected to play the same role as Fletcher did, but really that's where the comparison ends. He was never considered one of the stand-outs of his age group and most people who watched the youth ranks were surprised when he started getting first team appearances. And arguably the only real reason that he did break into the team was his physicality, which is the exact opposite of Fletch.
This is starting to have a whiff of 2013 about it when Moyes spend ages chasing Fabregas. The MEN has updates on this every couple of hours. I know because my bloody in-box is full of them.
They are about to sign an economic agreement that will bring in up to 700m this transfer has nothing to do with their economic condition.
Also wasn't Fletcher a right midfielder? If I remember correctly he struggled relative to expectations as an RM but he wasn't bad, not Kieran Richardson bad, a bit later he found a place as a CM and didn't let it go until his illness.
I could be misremembering things totally.
Yes, and then we end up panic buying Fellaini on deadline day. Wasn’t Thiago sort of a similar saga as well?
I explained why it was a crap budget.
There’s not doom and gloom just reality. If De Jong cost 70-80m it doesn’t leave for much else with a £150m budget. I don’t get the misunderstanding.
If we can’t get this deal done we need to move on asap. Barca will be the ones who are sorry when we walk away after offering them a decent amount. Let’s pay attention to Vitinha! The guys quality… get him and eriksen. That will be a lot cheaper then de jong and means we can push on for a forward and defender. This club is useless and brain dead when it comes to transfers.
They reportedly have enough money to try to do deals for Lewa and Kounde on top of the players supposed to be joining on a free yet they've only made a single sale...
Must have something else in the offing surely?
Must have something else in the offing surely?
I thought Fergie had that all set up only for Moyes to put the kibosh on it. It's been a long time though. That saga with Fabregas was laughable and he ended up at Chelsea anyway. The MEN is a joke these days. They are desperate for clicks so they'll publish anything. De Jong farts in the bathtub and he's sending a message to United to come and get him. That sort of crap.
This has all the makings of us going for an alternative player, and Barca now needing the money will sell to another team cheaper than us and no doubt knowing our luck City will snap him up and this talk of Phillips is a red herring.
Maybe Barcelona are just difficult to deal with? Fabregas and Thiago negotiations went similarly.
Chelsea wrapped up Fabregas very quickly.
Yeah, bottomless pockets Chelsea.
No, fergie played him RM to break into the side as we were blessed in CM but CM was always his natural role.
McTominay was a forward in the youth teams
Is there any chance that it feels like other clubs wrap up deals much quicker because we’re not following them extensively and don’t see/hear every little update..? Maybe?
Obviously yes. Although Nunez noise was all United with the odd mention of Liverpool. As soon as the Liverpool rumours hotted up he’s holding a red shirt 5 days later. I think there is genuinely a deliberate slowness in the way we negotiate transfers.
Agree on everything except we need Timber in no matter what so id prio him over Anthony and hope for a miracle that Varane can stay fit. The thought of seeing Lindeløf and Maguire in the lineup again makes me want to scream into a pillow.
Please....common sense and rational comments aren't welcome here. We've got tantrum throwers galore.
It's going to really mess their heads up when they realise all Nations League players are on a 3 week break now too. Hahahaha.
And the explanation makes no sense. There is no misunderstanding, there is no scenario where 150m is a crap budget.
And there is a lot of doom and gloom, instead of making the reasonable point that we will likely need more than one summer to fix the team and be where we want to be, you decided to make a silly point and also justify your future hysteria.
It was 30m, 12 months after we’d bid 25m. Hardly that much of a difference.
Thanks. So it makes his debutes even less underwhelming.
Well yes. On the other hand we see our biggest rivals with one or more signings two weeks into the transfer window whilst we have none albeit needing a much MUCH bigger overhaul so there's that.
Eh it's about priorities. I doubt we get both, and for me, RW is a much bigger need than CB. Lindelof can be a decent player, Maguire can be decent, Varane can be world class. It's not the worst group to have, they're just underperforming and the team hasn't been coached well. Our wing options though, we have Sancho, Rashford, Elanga as the only options for both wings. Ronaldo and Martial our forwards. None of them are naturals on the right. Antony would at least balance that out by giving us a main option on the right, effectively replace Greenwood, and let us use Rashford and Elanga as the rotation options rather than have them as starters (in positions they aren't naturals in). If Rashford hits form again, then we have Sancho, Antony and Rashford rotating for the 2 wing spots and pushing each other on, whereas if we ignore it, than we are relying on Rashford finding form and Elanga being the rotation option and nobody past him, which is nowhere near good enough.
Anyway, I'll be a happy camper if we manage to sign Frenkie De Jong even if we do nothing else. He'd be a transformative signing. Will be sad if he doesn't come.
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We should just move on. Get Vitinha and Erickson instead of VDB, and have money left over for Timber, Antony, and maybe one more. Added advantage of getting our business done more quickly and thus being able to prepare properly for next year. We'll live without De Jong.
They can sell to anyone . That's the problem. ETH is our only hope for him to come.
Oh I would prefer De Jong for sure, he’s world class.. just limits funds for other positions.
Catch-22 this one
Well, that would be shocking. No DM, no ST, a 20-year old CB who may take at least an year to adapt and yet another winger. Basically, addressing zero of our pressing issues.
Which economic agreement? They already said no to CVC deal.
Agree, that would be a disaster of a window.
Lets just waste the whole summer chasing a player that doesn’t want to join then.
The scenario is we are shite. We need to invest and £150m isn’t enough to take us from 6th to top 4.
Therefore the budget is crap. But if we want to be the new Arsenal, the budget is brilliant.
what's the lottery numbers next week?
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