I think it is 50/50
People thought two other midfielders from Barca were done at one point, Thiago and Fabregas, and neither happened. They seem a penis to do business with when it comes to United
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People thought two other midfielders from Barca were done at one point, Thiago and Fabregas, and neither happened. They seem a penis to do business with when it comes to United
Well, there’s being young in a place and being old. It can be different. Also, him going to City will weaken them and strengthen Barca. Silva is a great player. Also, why not do something different and experience new things. I find it weird that footballers don’t change clubs more often.
I think it will happen, but how much is this going to effect the rest of our window? We seem to only be capable of working on 1 deal at a time, and seemingly this one will impact the rest of the budget, so everything is just on hold at the moment as a result.
Not a big deal yet, because pre season hadn't begun, but I fear it will just run and run and leave us trying to sort other deals out right up until the deadline.
Yeah I agree - think they also get married and have kids quite young (no idea if Bilva does have kids) and that ties you down a bit.
Can't selfishly change clubs for you to experience new things when your kid needs to get into a new school, make new friends etc
It's probably the other way around. The way we always want to structure deals seems to be objectionable by others.
On the back of the supposed insistence from ETH about seeking FDJ and Erikson signatures I am very optimistic about the direction he is going. Yes we want the signings asap but it is far more important we get the right players, not just the available ones to please the fans. Maybe I'm naive but I feel really positive about how we will set up this season. Good football hopefully and much better results ahead
Love me some deadline day action. Usually so dull. It’s built up to a crescendo and is usually a damp squib, which leaves me listening to Mark Chapman and ‘deadline day Dennis’ waffle about nothing in particular until 11pm.
The funny thing here is that it is actually an invention. We don’t process transfers any slower than other clubs.
It's purely because we follow united so close that it seems like it goes on forever.
Fred as a lone defensive midfielder is awful.
Exactly, you literally see fans from every club say that their transfer sagas take ages compared to other clubs. It's just bias because we tend to focus on our club way more, and only look at done deals for other clubs.
Indeed. Like any other club, we do a combination of quick/early deals and later ones. As is our right. We are not obligated to only use the first third of every transfer window!
But do you understand the logic of 1 deal at a time at this stage of ETH's career at United? He needs to get his critical piece/s in first. Then the rest he will have more flexibility on how he wants to set up the team.
In the past, we went one deal at a time simply because Woodward's key criteria was to get a star and then the rest is to fit within the budget.
We just have the whingest fans.
This is the way it is. Our tactic is to drag sagas out as long as possible. Don’t want to whinge but it is frustrating.
Interesting. Never really thought about it that way but I think you're on to something
No one including Fernandes should be guaranteed a starting place, that should always be decided on match form and effort in training.
It’s that kind of thinking that has led to such complacency in our team as too many players on big money believe they’re entitled to play every week without putting in any effort, I like Fernandes but his form over the past 7-8 months has been fecking awful and needs a massive kick up the arse which Eriksen and a hopefully rejuvenated VDB under ETH would do.
Yeh I don't really buy that logic. We know we still need [insert position here] and the FDJ deal doesn't impact those needs.
Not a big deal right now, providing other targets aren't being snapped up, but we're about 2 weeks away from this having an impact on our season preparation.
This is an unfair take. I agree we have a lot of real complainers, but I also think everyone recognises the significance of this transfer window in particular. Everyone is just probably a little nervous that we'll repeat mistakes made in the past.
Other than one or possibly two players I think the rest of the transfer targets are more interchangeable. I am sure we have started discussions with the lower priority targets already.
If ETH is willing to bet his career on having Frenkie as the most critical, foundational piece in his recruitment, I am sure he has presented to the transfer team what else he needs a few weeks ago.
Once again -- it's a whole new team. Fresh started. We need to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have learnt from the mistakes of the previous regime. And have taken a different approach which hopefully will be more successful that the previous leadership's.
You haven’t a clue as to the details of negotiations. But common sense would dictate that of course, it is not out tactic to drag deals our as long as possible. Nor any team’s tactic for that matter.
Funny how just hours after our literal CEO leaks that we have officials in Barcelona thrashing out this deal, ‘journalists’ can confirm that we have officials in Barcelona working tirelessly on a deal. 
The Sun are the most unreliable newspaper ever. Can't trust any of their sources.
Chelsea wants to be rid of Lukaku. Lukaku wants to join Inter. Inter is agreeable to accept Lukaku on loan.
It has been more than a month. With so many positives, they have not been able to finalise a deal yet.
Just saying.
It has been more than a month. With so many positives, they have not been able to finalise a deal yet.
Just saying.
Man City's key left back target in Cucurella was identified by their most reliable journalists in around April-ish. Maybe even a bit earlier. Still not close to that deal going through.
These days Lukaku doesn’t know wether he is coming or going!
It has probably turned into a bit of a poker game, initially we held the cards and then they pulled out the economic levers.
The reason for delay is we don't want to pay his wages and want to delay as much as possible, to save money. Not sure if this is already used.
You guys want five signings? This is how we get five signings.
Quite frankly, if we signed De Jong on Friday 24th June, for example, it is quite simply an ‘early deal’. The deal is not ‘dragging’, and there is, at this point, every chance we sign him with more than 2 full months of the window remaining. Yet fans are moaning constantly about how everything takes so long with United. In fact, people have been posting for around 5 or 6 weeks that we should ‘move on’ to another target.
False economy to drag this out too much longer, particularly if Barca are gaining more financial security.
There will come a point where our desperation becomes more apparent and the season draws closer, so we end up paying more anyway.
There will come a point where our desperation becomes more apparent and the season draws closer, so we end up paying more anyway.
Think like has been mentioned it is because we only follow our own transfers, when fans of a few other clubs will likely be moaning that their club isn't doing any business either. As soon as manager's or the press mention said manager wants players in before pre-season if causes a problem.
I think the idea of moving onto another target is so daft at this stage. Most of our reliable journalists have said he's ten Hag's top target and the last time ten Hag managed him he had him playing at an elite level. It's pretty apparent that this would be a huge signing in terms of selling the project, even if I do think there are some red flags surrounding this deal. From what I can see, we hold a lot of leverage seeing as Barcelona are the ones who need the cash and are actively pushing him out, if anything I think we're playing this transfer very well.
Not being funny but it's not like we're only focussing on de Jong anyway, there's been loads of talk (from reputed sources) that we're working on other deals, just from the top of my head we've had concrete negotiations with Nunez, Timber, Eriksen and now Lissandro Martinez so it's not like this is holding anything up.
Indeed.
If we actually wanted this deal done at the end of May then yeah, we could've overpaid by £25m but that makes no sense other than to placate the fans. Realistically, we have a budget and lowering de Jong's price is of interest to us in the short term but also the long term, as the club is trying to reinvent itself as one that isn't going to be taken for mugs in the market anymore. It'd be hard to prove that stance if we overpay on literally the first signing post Woodward.
I think if he wanted to come to United it would be done and dusted by now. Let it go. His loss!
Why do you think this
He obviously is open to coming or we wouldn't be making offers.
No logic whatsoever.
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