Spending all window chasing him indicates that his interest in joining us is not an issue.
We've seen how quickly we moved from Timber to Martinez once it became clear he didn't want to come.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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We've seen how quickly we moved from Timber to Martinez once it became clear he didn't want to come.
Said it already 2 weeks ago.
There's an army of folks in here with their heads firmly buried in sand and don't want comparisons to Cesc or ADM.
No, but he would still prefer to stay at Barca if there is a possibility. Lets be honest, football players always think they can make it work if given time.
Doubters be mad:
Mods can perma-ban my account if this De Jong transfer doesn't go through. No ITK information; I'm just drunk and very convinced that this is just Laporta doing what chairmen do.
Mods can perma-ban my account if this De Jong transfer doesn't go through. No ITK information; I'm just drunk and very convinced that this is just Laporta doing what chairmen do.
I am not sure how you can blame the Club here. Like any business you enter negotiations in good faith. There were ongoing negotiations and dealings around the transfer. At no stage did it appear it was some duplicitous ploy by Barcelona. If anything, if the reports are true then it is Barcelona who will come out of this with their reputation sullied.
How do you figure?
Do you know whats being said behind closed doors? have you got a source in the FDJ camp that can prove without a shadow of a doubt that he has absolutely no interest in coming here?
Why exactly would we waste our time on a player that has no interest in coming to us? Fabregas was a mess from the start. We were told numerous times that he wasn't for sale but we didn't take no for an answer. This time we're in advanced negotiations with an outline fee agreed. We wouldn't do that if the player had no interest in coming!
As i say, what a player and club says in public isn't always what they say behind closed doors.
Confidence is down after the comments and the Ronny stuff as well
What makes you so certain out of interest
Wouldn't let the comments get to you.
Theres no indications from anyone in the media who have connections to this that the deal is off, and there has been no brief by United saying we're walking away. Until that time, nothing had changed
He was in the hot tub channel so, you know..
Obviously missed the Ronaldo news today!
Pretty much every reliable source has said it will happen.
A few comments from a known bullshitter doesn't change anything. His 'not for sale' stance is clearly bollocks when we're literally negotiating with them.
We are the issue there, he obviously has no faith in us.
It all comes down to this: How much of a wage reduction can he live with to be played out of position at his beloved Barca, who are in the Champions League? What is he prepared to sacrifice?
If he really had no interest in coming we would of walked away by now.
and for everyone panicking about the Laporta comments, he said the same about Messi last summer...
and for everyone panicking about the Laporta comments, he said the same about Messi last summer...
No, I'm pretty certain he's a part of the issue.
One way or another the saga needs to end soon. We either agree the deal or walk away.
65m +20m in add-ons is still a hell of a lot of cash. If they don't accept it then go get Tielemans for 35m and buy a DM too. That would still be a huge improvement on what we have.
Some might argue Tielemans and a DM might be a better outcome than just signing one midfielder (De Jong) too.
This rebuild isn't going to fix everything in one window. Next season is again going to be a bumpy one. It always was.
65m +20m in add-ons is still a hell of a lot of cash. If they don't accept it then go get Tielemans for 35m and buy a DM too. That would still be a huge improvement on what we have.
Some might argue Tielemans and a DM might be a better outcome than just signing one midfielder (De Jong) too.
This rebuild isn't going to fix everything in one window. Next season is again going to be a bumpy one. It always was.
You think United are going to brief something like that on the same day the Ronaldo news breaks?
If it is indeed over then it will trickle out over the next few days.He's certainly said some crap in the past.
The whole Messi situation was, well, just plain stupid. He also apparently lied about Sergi Roberto (https://barcauniversal.com/barcelon...lams-joan-laporta-for-lying-far-from-reality/), so yeah his track record isn't exactly great when it comes to telling the truth. He's going to do "Everything is his power" to keep de Jong, but he'll put it down to financial issues when the sale goes through in the end.
Not if you ask him, that is the whole point. He sees no activity in the transfermarket, and put in a transfer request.
Has anyone actually been perma-banned for similar assertions?
There's just so many quotes out there recently of him stating his happiness with Barca. Tie in their woeful financial situation...
I mean lets be perfectly honest here, every member here who disagrees with me openly admits that the club are only selling him because of their financial problems! Between the two sentiments, surely to god it must tell folks that in an ideal world FDJ stays put.
Its not like he's doing a Ronaldo here and putting in a transfer request / consider offers is it?
The only reason we are pursuing this is because we think we can strong arm them, during a summer we need to make ourselves look strong in the market... what a co-inky-dink hey?! Now its back fired.
As for the final bold bit, it didn't stop us pursuing ADM and eventually signing him did it? Were not alone though in that respect, Chelsea made same mistake with Rom last summer.
Transfers are a mess these days because of the sums of money involved.
I'm so bored of this saga. Hopefully we sign him up or we move on swiftly. If we start looking now, we might possibly get them in before the window closes.
Maybe not a brief from United, but "sources" close to the deal will definitely start leaking that things have broken down.You think United are going to brief something like that on the same day the Ronaldo news breaks?
Yeah. It’s about no transfers. Sure. That’s not just PR bullshit which his **** followers will lap up.
Part of it. Our squad looks dire at this point in time. You dont know what they promised him behind the scenes, and failed to deliver.
My thinking too. Tielemans + Bissouma wouldve been a better deal for me than just FDJ.
He’s been whoring himself around for months. It has feck all to do with transfers. He’s right though - If we had any ambition this summer the 38 year old poacher would have been the first one we’d replaced.
This is a done deal. Unless Ornstein and Co don't report its off its not off.
Who cares what the Barca board has to say. They are insane anyway.
Who cares what the Barca board has to say. They are insane anyway.
Then again this Lisandro Martinez is a DM by trade isn't he? The fact he played CB last season doesn't necessarily mean that's where he will play for us if we sign him.
Maybe that's the plan? Personally I'd be happy enough with our current CB's if we had a top midfield.
No he's a CB
Sure I read the other day he used to be a DM though and is equally comfortable there.
Can't say I have watched him though so I have no idea if that's correct.
Ten Hag said hes not a DM. Hes only a CB for him.
Well, there were tweets earlier saying the our guys have been confused by what Barca tell them and contradict themselves in the media. It kind of asserts that even we aren't fully convinced this is going to happen,but we wanted to try anyway.
Sources would have to have that info from people at United, who very much will control the narrative in the UK on this one. They won't let a whisper of info out on this if it's broken down, not just yet. We'll look like absolute buffoons and the supporters will hit a new low after the Ronaldo news too. It's not a good look for us.
The things that add credibility to this for me are a) Xavi seemingly wants to keep him at all costs, b) their supporters want to keep him, and that's important for their elected president, c) there was an apparently very reliable Barcelona journalist who has said all along that he is definitely not leaving and d) FdJ has said he's never been told he's leaving and that he doesn't want to leave. Plus saying he's already at the biggest club in the world is an odd thing to say if you think you are about to leave for another club that thinks they're the biggest.
All these things have given me enough pause for thought throughout, along with the sheer length of time it's took to just get to a stage where we've not even agreed fees or discussed the players wages.
1. Of course Xavi is going to want a great player to stay.
2. Same as above.
3. One contrarian journalist despite literally all the others UK and Spanish saying the deal is close.
4. Speculation at this point to suggest he hasn't been told or he doesn't currently want to leave.
Go on then?
Dont want to derail the thread
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