This guys seem to think €24 million euros:
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Have to say, if he decides to stay for less money based on footballing/family reasons then I respect him. A lot of comments about him needing money to start a family etc which I assume are in jest. He’s still going to make 10million a year every year minimum for the next decade after wages/sponsorships etc.
I think the club should announce FdJ's with a nice little strapline that sums up dealing with Barca...
Mes que un Debt Recovery Plan!
Mes que un Debt Recovery Plan!
I like Frenkie and i want to sign him but i have to say it. He is coming across as spineless by the day. Seems Barca can do whatever they want to their players while reciting the "mes que un cnut" .
Prediction:
There will be reports in the next few days that Frenkie is willing to join Unitedd but only if Barca pay him what he is owed. Once again makes him look like he's after money and turns fans against him more. Mission accomplished for Laporta and Barca.
There will be reports in the next few days that Frenkie is willing to join Unitedd but only if Barca pay him what he is owed. Once again makes him look like he's after money and turns fans against him more. Mission accomplished for Laporta and Barca.
Imagine being told you're not good enough in your favourite position, told to take a HUGE pay cut whilst someone is signed to take the wages you've just given up and still wanting to stay... I just can't see it happening.
It's clear Barca want him gone and if the wage cut doesn't do it, you know he's going to be told he has no future there. Barca will be all nicey nicey to the media, but behind the scenes they'll be ruthless I bet!
What gets me about it all is that these guys are saying he clearly doesn't want to go to United and he wants to stay... that clearly can't be the case.
ETH wouldn't waste his time with this transfer if he wasn't sure de Jong would come. So unless de Jong or his agents are lying in their private conversations with ETH (unlikely seeing as we're signing other clients of his) then there's much more to this than is being reported
I think this PR bullshit Barca are coming out with indicated he's willing to leave so they feel the need to almost turn the fans against him for 'wanting to' or being 'open to' leaving the mighty Barcelona.
Just my opinion though.
That makes sense though, especially the whole everything in my power to keep him comment.
If de Jong truly wanted to stay then he wouldn't have to do everything in his power to keep him. He's under contract to them and apparently doesn't want to leave, so why exactly would have have to do everything in his power to keep him?
Barca know he's open to leaving, they know he's a very good player and that selling him would be beneficial to them. However they don't want to come across as giving the impression they NEED to sell, I imagine given half the chance they'd sell other guys to ease their financial woes and sign players who they consider better. So their plan is what we see now... give up some salary and also some of the money they owe him and stay at the club he loves, or leave the club and chase the cash.
They'll likely make him an offer that they know he won't accept to get him to leave, and then as you say, tell everyone he's a mercenary and never cared for the club.
All this is defo my opinion but its how its looking to me
I feel like if he was going to stay they wouldn't feel the need to comment on it.
Basically: Barca is so arrogant that's bordering on delusional.
This sums up the deceptive hypocrisy of the situation. It's the sort of layered narrative that **** leaders do for their flock.
the things some of our supporters are telling themselves, to keep that positive feeling going, are unrivalled.I almost wrote the exact same thing.
It is an interesting study of how people project themselves onto their sporting interests/clubs. Their sense of identity.Barca fans rattled. You arrogant cnuts
Its reflected or tied into the well-being of the club like United supporters -- and in the case of Barca, the sense of morality or moral superiority.
Who else are being asked to take a pay cut for next season? I bet the local lads arent.
This is what I don't understand, if he desperately wants to stay, he could just turn up to training and thats it. He has a contract, and Barca can't force him to move presumably?? All bullshit.
The thing is though most of the supporters don't seem to rate him particularly highly or atleast feel he's adapt at the role he's given.
Really, I think the majority of the Barca fans would like to see the back of him, especially if that means bringing in the likes of Lewandowski.
i bet lewandowski isn't
It's not that simple I don't think. If he pulls that move, which he's legally entitled to, then he could be partly responsible for the destruction of Barcelona as a football club. The fans will not be too kind if he thinks he can refuse a move and refuse a pay cut, when others have made those sacrifices.
Yes I get he's legally entitled to what is in his contract, but I don't think that is really an option for him.
They will be laughing all the way to the bank when we do take Frenkie off their hands. Pulled a fast one.
Same bank that they've borrowed the 86 million euros it took to buy him from Ajax + the 48 million euros they've paid him in wages the three years he's been there?
Hardy pulling a fast one?
I bet Lewan is being offered a deferred salary BS too. He should just ask them to show him the money.
All this deferred payment crap reminds me of some countries I have worked in --- where half of the time chasing the clients down for the money they owe you in one department and at the same time asking for more work/money.
I was referring to the win-win scenario that Barca has put itself in.Same bank that they've borrowed the 86 million euros it took to buy him from Ajax + the 48 million euros they've paid him in wages the three years he's been there?
Hardy pulling a fast one?
So all the talk about him keen to come to Utd was just clickbait....surprise surprise!
He's on fecking vacation, mate. What's he supposed to do, cut it short and rush home to finalize a transfer away from his dream club?
These Spanish clubs really are something else. Perez and Madrid acting like Mbappe fecked all their mothers because he decided to stay at PSG, and Barcelona thinking a player should take a salary cut to stay at their club. The arrogance of these organizations is quite astounding.
So this isnt happening and if it does we are getting a player that doesn't want to be here.
Great. Another summer wasted
Great. Another summer wasted
I‘d be at the opposite end of the spectrum in that case. His employer agrees to terms they (at the very least negligently) can‘t fulfill. They manage to talk him into agreeing to have his wage postponed. And finally, he would accept to tear up his original contract and sign a new one with noticeably worse terms.
I‘d have zero respect for anybody buying into a new round of the same crap again. Maybe, and only maybe, if the club was really restructuring and the club‘s regular staff would otherwise lose their jobs. But no, Barcelona want to continue signing other players for millions over millions. Disgraceful club leadership that should be forced to pay for every single penny promised.
Ultimately words mean little in transfers. It is about formal signed agreements.
And the fact personal terms have not been discussed with De Jong yet is quite incredible. As that will really show the Dutchman's appetite for Old Trafford. And that should have been done.
One thing is for sure if we don't get him it will surpass anything that happened under Ed Woodward in terms of recruitment embarrassments.
Let's keep fingers crossed.
I’d say nothing tops Ramos using us for a new contract that time. That was the most embarrassing transfer saga ever for any club, ever, for me.
Don’t get me wrong this would be bad but that Ramos one was like we were living in a scouser’s wet dream
Yah... there has a certain vibe about it..... not sure anyone has mentioned it before, if not, I am saying it.
Di Marie.
Or Messi leaving/not leaving last summer
If they are willing to give him ~15m a year gross, it would be around £13m.. which is 250k/week..
How much does he think he can get at United? I wouldve thought 250-300k.. hardly a massive bump up in wages..
I hope we arent trying to lure him with 400+k week ..
If its purely the wages and Barca do want to keep him at around ~15m gross, I hope he stays there.
I think they need him gone and free up those wages for a player that fits them better.. so its all nonsense.
How much does he think he can get at United? I wouldve thought 250-300k.. hardly a massive bump up in wages..
I hope we arent trying to lure him with 400+k week ..
If its purely the wages and Barca do want to keep him at around ~15m gross, I hope he stays there.
I think they need him gone and free up those wages for a player that fits them better.. so its all nonsense.
I might be wrong, but I don’t think 250-300k is enough to lure him to United. He doesn’t even wants to come at first place, I reckon would take more money to convince him here, maybe 350-400k range .
He could have avoided that by moving earlier as the signs were there. Seems a bit weak from him imo and we should set a deadline
I find it quite ridiculous how Barca seem to be fleecing their own players while trying to get the likes of Lewandowski to the club with promises of a huge contract.
If this were Fergie era United, I'd say we give up trying to sign De Jong and let him and Barca sort themselves out and not do Barca any favours by giving them a large transfer fee for a player they want to be rid of.
But as it stands, we're in desperate need for quality players, which is what De Jong is, and it's clear how much our new manager wants him.
If I were to get to ask ETH one question right now, I'd be asking him is there really no alternative to Frenkie De Jong?
If this were Fergie era United, I'd say we give up trying to sign De Jong and let him and Barca sort themselves out and not do Barca any favours by giving them a large transfer fee for a player they want to be rid of.
But as it stands, we're in desperate need for quality players, which is what De Jong is, and it's clear how much our new manager wants him.
If I were to get to ask ETH one question right now, I'd be asking him is there really no alternative to Frenkie De Jong?
This is a first.
Hard to get excited for this, when all media stories consistently say that he doesn’t want to come here.
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