That's not how loyalty bonus works. It'll only be waived if you officially hands a transfer request. Saying he'd like a move on the media doesnt count.
And saying you want to move doesnt mean they can freeze your salary just like that.
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And saying you want to move doesnt mean they can freeze your salary just like that.
How are you getting salary off the books if you’re selling one player and sign 5 more?
And why do you need money coming in from his transfer to pay him what is owed? You clearly found money lying around to get Raphinha and Lewa. Was €100m burning a hole in your pocket?
What deal? There hasn’t been any reports of attempted deals being made. There’s vague reports about wage reduction but that’s all they are, vague reports. Has anything actually come out about FDJ and Barca talking terms?
Only deal I see is the one he signed which signifies he wants to be at Barca for the long haul. There is nothing here to suggest he wants to move other than this negotiation angle that has been talked into fact.
Raphinha went on tour with them without being registered
You think Barcelona fate hinges on whether they sell FDJ or they're bust?
Keep dreaming.. they're in deep shit but not selling De Jong doesnt mean they're gonna go into administration
Sweet fecking Jesus - they’ve signed numerous players they couldn’t immediately register. What are you talking about?
Oh some people on here are absolutely dreaming and making story over story, just to make themselves feel better that Frankie want to come here, when in reality, he just doesn't want.
People should understand that football is not the only factor. Spain is a great country to live in, especially in Barcelona. Summer is great, chicks are hot, laws are lighter, especially for rich people. Now compare i to England, and the answer is clear.
People that wan to move in a certain club, and this is the players we should be looking at, are like Raphina. Barcelona didn't want to pay the full price and was terrible in showing they really want this player, Chelsea paid the full money, give him higher salary, but the guy wanted Barca and that was it. He was willing to wait and sign for lesser fee, just to go there. Kinda the same story with Lewandowski. Adame Traore is another example. He even lesser his salary just to go there big time. And Tottenham wanted this guy and offering him way way higher salary.
Now Frankie has never said he want to leave. He actually all the time said he wants to stay there, and Barcelona is the best club for him and so on. All the real information is about that. Romano also said that the player is happy in there and don't want to move.
If he moves to us, is not because he is eager to come here, but because he was showed the door and forced.
As far as the deferred payment/salary. Barcelona are obligated to pay him. The people that are trying to make he is saying he want to stay because of it, are no brainers. They own him that, no matter if he was to stay or not. This is a money they own him by contract to date, so it doesn't matter if he wants to stay or not.
We should have moved from this transfers long ago. And i don't believe for a second that de Jong has given any guarantees to ten Hag or our board. If that was the case he would have already agree with the personal teams and waiting for Barcelona to agree the fee.
But the reality is completely different. Most probably Barcelona gave us assurance they will sell him and he will move, but reality turns out to be a bit different, isn't it ?
Lastly i don't see anything special in Frenkie de Jong. He never fulfil his potential, he is 3-4 years older compare to when Barcelona take him, and when there was a big hype around him, big hype that he failed to achieve. And yet we are wasting huge time on him, and paying them more than for what they brought him at first place, when he is older and not fulfil his potential.
We should have at least 2-3 alternative for every transfer target we have, otherwise this is bad business. Just look at Tottenham and their director Paratici, the guy is lining like a 5 player for a 1 position that they want.
People should understand that football is not the only factor. Spain is a great country to live in, especially in Barcelona. Summer is great, chicks are hot, laws are lighter, especially for rich people. Now compare i to England, and the answer is clear.
People that wan to move in a certain club, and this is the players we should be looking at, are like Raphina. Barcelona didn't want to pay the full price and was terrible in showing they really want this player, Chelsea paid the full money, give him higher salary, but the guy wanted Barca and that was it. He was willing to wait and sign for lesser fee, just to go there. Kinda the same story with Lewandowski. Adame Traore is another example. He even lesser his salary just to go there big time. And Tottenham wanted this guy and offering him way way higher salary.
Now Frankie has never said he want to leave. He actually all the time said he wants to stay there, and Barcelona is the best club for him and so on. All the real information is about that. Romano also said that the player is happy in there and don't want to move.
If he moves to us, is not because he is eager to come here, but because he was showed the door and forced.
As far as the deferred payment/salary. Barcelona are obligated to pay him. The people that are trying to make he is saying he want to stay because of it, are no brainers. They own him that, no matter if he was to stay or not. This is a money they own him by contract to date, so it doesn't matter if he wants to stay or not.
We should have moved from this transfers long ago. And i don't believe for a second that de Jong has given any guarantees to ten Hag or our board. If that was the case he would have already agree with the personal teams and waiting for Barcelona to agree the fee.
But the reality is completely different. Most probably Barcelona gave us assurance they will sell him and he will move, but reality turns out to be a bit different, isn't it ?
Lastly i don't see anything special in Frenkie de Jong. He never fulfil his potential, he is 3-4 years older compare to when Barcelona take him, and when there was a big hype around him, big hype that he failed to achieve. And yet we are wasting huge time on him, and paying them more than for what they brought him at first place, when he is older and not fulfil his potential.
We should have at least 2-3 alternative for every transfer target we have, otherwise this is bad business. Just look at Tottenham and their director Paratici, the guy is lining like a 5 player for a 1 position that they want.
Could be.
But ETH's Ajax teams have generally looked lightweight. See his 5ft 9/5ft 10 centre-back pairing and his use of Schone (who I think was a converted winger/am) as De Jong's midfield partner in their CL run. He even occasionally (though more rarely) used our own VDB as a partner to FDJ.
Think people are going to have to get used to the idea that that's where the manager inclinations lie. He's only going to adjust to the PL so-much, especially given he inherited one of the physically biggest squads in the league as is.
If Ten Hag wants nobody else then he has himself to blame when we inevitably have another bad season due to that decision.
FDJ is a World Class CM but a line has to be drawn and if this fiasco becomes untenable we have to eventually walk and get someone else. Even Pep walked from Koulibaly, signed Dias who's of a completely different profile and still found a way to make him into the CB he wanted winning 2 trophies and reaching a CL final in the process
Fabian Ruiz, if this does not work out.
I didn't say you did say we were due one, i was referring to the fact you said with those two pieces of news today, we should walk away. Now that these news pieces have broken and are out, it's safe to assume that if we have no way of signing him now Barca are apparently financially secure, we can expect us to drop our chase of him and brief that we're walking away, can we not?
All i'm saying in return is if Barca genuinely don't need to sell, they'll pull the plug on the deal. The fact they haven't, tells me that things aren't as rosy with this lever as they'd like people to believe they are
Well first of all, we will see if the 2nd lever is real or a bluff. That's Barcelonas leverage, or attempt to gain leverage. It's in their interest to maintain that they are not in financial disarray (for a large number of obvious reasons) and therefore they will play the card of saying to FDJ that he won't play.
FDJ right now, even if he was from Salford, and a lifelong red about to live his dream, would be daft to do anything other than what he is doing.
It will all come down to who has the strongest hand and who blinks first. If this lever is real then it strengthens Barcas hand and weakens FDJ, and if not, then it is the reverse.
I expect this will go on for at least a few more weeks, but I hope I'm wrong.
As for the whole buying players who want to play line. FDJ knows ETH system and I have no doubt will be ultra professional and grow to love the club in time. He would transform the team and our ability to play out from the back. That for me is the key thing. You sit and you wait to get the right target. Liverpool did it with van Dijk. They waited 6 months instead of shifting to an alternative and I've no doubt they are glad of that now.
Patience lads. I think we will get him and in 5 years time hopefully we won't care how many weeks it took.
Laporta, in a years time, making one of his execs go to Tebas.
Can we use this if he doesn't join??
De Jong Jong time ago, I can still remember how that window made me cry.
And we knew if ETH had his chance, that he could make those muppets dance and maybe they'd be happy for a while..
But september made me shiver, with every transfer tweet I'd consider,
Bad news on the doorstep, this would never happen to Pep Guardiola is my idol Pep,
I cant remember if I cried when heard about our offer he denied,
Something touched me deep inside, the Day, our De Jong thread died.
So bye bye Frenkie thread, all the muppets slayers must be happy its dead,
They told us walk away, Move on, somebody else we can entice....
Maybe we can sign Declan Riiiiiice.
De Jong Jong time ago, I can still remember how that window made me cry.
And we knew if ETH had his chance, that he could make those muppets dance and maybe they'd be happy for a while..
But september made me shiver, with every transfer tweet I'd consider,
Bad news on the doorstep, this would never happen to Pep Guardiola is my idol Pep,
I cant remember if I cried when heard about our offer he denied,
Something touched me deep inside, the Day, our De Jong thread died.
So bye bye Frenkie thread, all the muppets slayers must be happy its dead,
They told us walk away, Move on, somebody else we can entice....
Maybe we can sign Declan Riiiiiice.
Honestly, if he doesn't want to be here, we should just move on. Go and get Fabian from Napoli.
The thought of yet another season without a proper CM brings me to the verge of tears
How do we manage to do this to ourselves every single year? At this stage I will be very surprised if we end up getting FDJ and that is a real shame because I think with Martinez and Eriksen we would be well on the way to having a press resistant spine to our team for the first time in yonks.
Do you not think we have other options?
If Barce really wanted him out why would they take him on the pre season tour if a fee is agreed? Not only do they have to pay him those wages and there is a chance of injury but it ultimately signals to FDJ that there is still room in the squad for him.
Think i am just going to look at the tweet thread or something this feels like it is going to drag drag and drag while breaking down somewhere, most likely with him staying.
Think i am just going to look at the tweet thread or something this feels like it is going to drag drag and drag while breaking down somewhere, most likely with him staying.
The issue isn't his loyalty bonus, it's the deferred wages from 2021 that he feels he is due. Not even remotely the same thing.
Barca feel that they agreed to reimburse it at the end of his contract and that him leaving would void that. FDJ camp knows they need to sell so they dig in and say he wants to stay and have no doubt said to Laporta that he wont leave unless he is paid the deferred wages, think Goodfellas "F you, pay me". Nothing to do with loyalty bonus, at all. To publicly even hint that he wants to leave would weaken his position. Its really not that difficult.
It's been reported by reliable United sources that there are other options should De Jong prove unobtainable but that doesn't stop people peddling this "we have no plan B" bullshit.
It's insane that there are some posters arguing it's fine to go next season without a new midfielder when ideally we should've been going for at least two.
Honestly, I don't. If we do, they're so far off the radar and down the priority list, they might as well not even be there. We want De Jong, quite clearly and so far above anyone else.
Just cause you leave him out of the tour doesn’t mean you can’ stop paying his wages.
This is the most ridiculous transfer ever
Exactly, but that should go without saying. A team always has around 3 to 4 options, just encase plan A doesn't pan out.
I believe players like, Neves, Fabian, Tielemans, although not as good, will be options for us, if the De Jong deal doesn't go ahead.
That would be a good thing. It shows ten Hag has a clear vision and doesnt just want to spunk money because he can. It wouldnt be a good thing if he doesnt get the midfielder he needs and it would really suck because de Jong would fix so many problems of our midfield.
I dont understand that people want to walk away from the deal. Frenkie de Jong is the best midfielder on the market and this is the chance to sign him. Barcelona is a mess, we have Erik ten Hag.. it is the opportunity to sign him. I dont want to waste a lot of money on some far (inferior) player like Neves, Tielemans or Rice. If anything, Iqbal looked like de Jong in his playstyle from the clips from pre-season. Its not perfect and he likely wont be ready but keeping the money instead of moving away from the tactic ten Hag wants to play because he needs to fit in a different type player would not be good in my opinion.
Only reason to walk away from the deal is if Frenkie de Jong says he doesnt want to join but since he knows Erik ten Hag, worked together and both are Dutch im sure they had (informal) contact where de Jong told ten Hag than he is willing to join Manchester United. Otherwise this whole thing would have been pointless in the first place...
Just pull the fecking plug on this. Go for someone who wants to be here.
This is not an 'RVN picked a 6 month injury so we'll wait situation'. First of all there's no 'Andy Cole' in our midfield who can keep carrying the can up until next season. Secondly RVN didn't humiliated us by constantly reminding us that Barca is his dream team. We need investment on the pitch not in the bank.
If I was Arnold I'd give Barca-FDJ a week to sort this crap and then move to other targets.
Urghhh because he's their player and they're free to do whatever they want with him. Just because a fee is agreed doesn't mean he can't travel with them. Whats saying he'd even play? He might spend the whole time in the stands or on the bench. But for as long as he's employed by Barcelona and under contract to them, they can do whatever they want
then we should sign no one and he'll foot the responsibility of such action. There are some top players around. The world doesn't rotate around the Dutch league.
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Yeah, thats obvious. However, ten Hag and his staff would have made a plan if this transfer doesn't happen. That's generally what happens.
I think it shows that he's confident that we'll get him and that he's prepared to wait because he knows it'll happen sooner or later.
He knows more than we know and he has daily contact with agents and the player. If he was told at any point that it wasn't going to happen, then it's over and i'm sure he'd call it a day
Because he is, as things stand, contracted to Barcelona and they want him ready for the new season in case the deal falls through this summer. But that doesn't mean they don't want to sell him and use the proceeds to fund Lewa and Silva - among others apparently.
Honestly, I've looked at this "going on tour" revelation from multiple angles and I struggle to see how it impacts this transfer in any way. Why are people so concerned about it?
and I'd hope to think they're not the bog standard obvious alternatives too.
Honestly at this point if Frenkie actually doesn’t wanna come then ETH should know and move on. This is totally on him.
Because a fee is agreed they're convinced that he should be sat on his arse at home until the wage issue is resolved, which could take ages and when it finally is resolved and he comes to us completely out of fitness, they'll he complaining that he should have done more to keep fit. Oh and people seem to think that when a fee is agreed, the player is no longer under contract to the selling club and they shouldn't play them incase of injury etc
He’s with us already mate
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