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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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How are you so sure? Have you looked at all the numbers?
Umtiti was signed in a period when sky was still the limit in Barcelona. Aubameyang and Memphis as mentioned are not playing for candy bars and Mcdonalds vouchers. I'm pretty sure De Jong doesn't earn more than all of them together.
Not selling De Jong will just block their possibilities to sign Bernardo as well. Getting rid of De Jong's wages is the easiest solution and provides much more possibilities than moving other players. Their perfect scenario is therefore to get rid of De Jong and executing their plan A. However if the situation with De Jong can't be resolved, a plan B could easily be to sell Aubameyang (alongside Memphis and Umtiti) and forget about Bernardo instead. Which would also explain them taking Frenkie on tour, cause not doing so would just hurt their plan B.
I really don’t understand why people want to blow that money on players who aren’t even better than what we have.
The sure things that we can get aren’t good enough. We need to gamble on players like De JONg to take us to the next level. He is a champions league player and we are currently not a champions league team.
He's Dutch though, which is a gamble apparently, as opposed to.. not really sure.
i just don't understand what the "move on" and the "Neves or Tielemans" crowd want when it's painfully obvious that it's FDJ or bust and we are likely going to leave a "b-tier" replacement till the last possible second. How many pages are we going to fill with people asking for something that just isn't going to happen?
Trouble with Umtiti is nobody wants him as his injury record is atrocious. Not sure people would want Auba for the money he earns and the attitude. That leaves Memphis.
True but we have to be careful if this deal goes right towards the end of summer and collapses we’ll struggle to even get a Neves or Tielemans their clubs will want outrageous fee’s after the season starts.
Nailed it
And what happens if De Jong turns out to be bang average?
He wants this lad, just think it is him or nothing. Go for the best, stop settling for second best.i just don't understand what the "move on" and the "Neves or Tielemans" crowd want when it's painfully obvious that it's FDJ or bust and we are likely going to leave a "b-tier" replacement till the last possible second. How many pages are we going to fill with people asking for something that just isn't going to happen?
They will ask for outrageous fees now.
Are you saying what I think you’re saying?
Have people starting prepping themselves that this could actually be FDJ or bust like Sancho round 1?
I mean, folks assume a back up. But i seriously doubt it now. ETH wants FDJ and i don't think we have a cheap, suitable replacement lined up to cover. In fact I think ETH could be so "FDJ or Bust" that he'll chance McFred or give a youth promotion.
I mean, folks assume a back up. But i seriously doubt it now. ETH wants FDJ and i don't think we have a cheap, suitable replacement lined up to cover. In fact I think ETH could be so "FDJ or Bust" that he'll chance McFred or give a youth promotion.
I would rather sign nobody at this point if we don't get Frenkie. Neves/Tielemans would only improve us short term IMO. De Jong stays in the team for 5+ years.i just don't understand what the "move on" and the "Neves or Tielemans" crowd want when it's painfully obvious that it's FDJ or bust and we are likely going to leave a "b-tier" replacement till the last possible second. How many pages are we going to fill with people asking for something that just isn't going to happen?
We did indeed and many fans thought we finally had a world class CB, the final part of the jigsaw, when others knew the midfield was still bottom 6 in PL at best.
I hope for ETH sake his gamble with FDJ pays off, if it’s even late August so be it. We still need to use the next 3/4 weeks to get other business done. Players who will not play this season Need to be sold to raise money. The club should be looking to offload - AWB(15), Axel(8)Taith Chong(7), P Jones, E Baily or V Lindelof(20), Loans for Amad, Hanibal
We should keep, Savage, IQbal, Shoretire and F Pellistri Is currently better than Elanga and Amad. We need to go buy Antony as a priority and a right back, with a contingency play of T Tilemans or Sangare if FDJ goes wrong.
Wow theyre terrible
Not sure. What am I saying. Just went by what he said recently about LvG. Bloody police. Always trying to trip you up.
831 pages of going around in circles.
Who are the sure things???
Yeah i'm actually in that camp now. I'm much more convinced that this is "FDJ or Bust" and if it's bust he'll chance McFred or give a youth promotion.
30M for Tielemans as a squad player till we get Frenkie wouldn’t be a bad deal to be honest. The Caf would self combust if McFred starts the first league game again
I agree on Neves. For the mooted 70-80M to get him, we must stay away
Basically you insinuated that Van Gaal had beef with Di Maria and played a part in the burglary.
The case is still undetected so I’m going to reopen that motherfecker right now If you’ll testify?
This thread is surely hitting the 1,000 page mark. Time to fill it with useless updates!
I don't see Frenkie as a gamble at all. Martinez/Malacia are gambles. We know for a fact Frenkie is up to the level and will slot into the system with no problems.
Calling him a gamble is lazy journalism. If ETH has personally spoken to him multiple times and Frenkie has given him his word he wants to join then how is it a gamble in that sense either?
Calling him a gamble is lazy journalism. If ETH has personally spoken to him multiple times and Frenkie has given him his word he wants to join then how is it a gamble in that sense either?
Neves is about 10x better than McTominay, let’s not take the piss.
30 million wasted. In a few years he'll be one of them players who doesn't play anymore and we can't shift.
Patently untrue.
I don't deny we still have an appeal to players but I don't think we compare with the likes of bayern, barca or juve at the minute and are way behind real, city or Liverpool.
Manchester isn't a draw in terms of a place to live and our recent record doesn't give players confidence they will win trophies or even be guaranteed to play in the cl.
Our squad is prob now worse than spurs' and I think our first team prob worse than arsenal's. De Jong would change that but its the level we are at for now
That is on ten Hag...
Are Neves/Tielemans better than Eriksen? People are forgetting Eriksen played in a much deeper role for Brentford, arguably the same role as both players mentioned. I'd rather use Eriksen there than splashing at least 30 million on Tielemans, much more on Neves.
We know he isn't bang average
Let's ban them from transfer tweets and from this forum. It's just a trolling account, used by Barcelona to generate PR and mixing water. Pure wummers.
But a bit of on-topic discussion too.
I'm still certain he will come to United, but Barca is trying to save their face and blame their situation on him. That's absolute dross of an act, but let them make themselves a worldwide laughing stock.
Frenkie will join before July 30th or just before the end of transfer window, depends how difficult Barca's situation is. It's just sad that they are a club that negotiating with is like talking to a 3-year-old about not having candy.
Their board is just so weak and afraid of their fans. The fans won't accept laying the club low for 3-4 seasons and just build from academy and some interesting, reasonable bargains, they want everything now. I hope they will be severely punished for their financial actions and a relegation to 2nd or 3rd tier would be great signal to every club which plans to spend like there's no tomorrow.
If we don't get De Jong this window, then I see a Fred/Eriksen duo doing very good.
Fredriksen, I like it.
I agree . We should walk away from @ Sport. They’re shite.
He’s not enough by himself. For what it’s worth I think De Jong will happen but Neves would be a smart backup at the right price. As I said he’s levels and levels above our current options.
We are gambling for a player that is twice as good as any of the alternatives, well worth the gamble in my opinion.
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