I've seen one by Luckhurst and that report by some random Spanish guy.
What else has been said?
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What else has been said?
I think they'll play more, especially Iqbal, depending on if we'll bring someone in midfield or not. As for who's a bigger talent opinions differ it seems and that's normal.
You've not been following the news there isn't a deadline so quite some way to go before we get a definitive conclusion
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Maybe it was a stretch, but Robben didn't want to leave Madrid at that time, but he left anyways, that is the point I was trying to make, De Jong may as well say I want to stay, but it is still possible that he leaves.
I think plenty coveted him, from around the time when he moved from Ajax too. More a case of not knowing he was available probably.
Bow we know he is, and we have ETH, and nobody else wants him this season - it’s a perfect storm in our favour. An opportunity not to be missed.
Use the money on Antony. Use Fred/McTom/Garner and Eriksen with Iqbal and Savage used sparingly. This one is an impossibility.
I don't mean to give the impression that i'm saying anything major. Just little things.
Like Ducker (who I find reliable) done a piece where the tone towards De Jong wasn't very upbeat and left the impression that there's a realistic chance there won't be a breakthrough. Simon Stone over the weekend said there's still significant hurdles for example, and United are still considering walking away if it gets to that point
I've never known us to agree a fee for a player and still seem so far off signing them
I don't think we have though. Even rather disappointing alternatives like Neves would most likely be better alternatives than our totally unproven youngsters. They looked ok so far but I'm really not sure they are ready for the PL, especially for a team like us that's trying to break into top 4 again. I just hope we somehow still land FdJ.
It really is a weird transfer. People are actually saying it’s better that De Jong pretends the whole thing isn’t happening and stone walls everyone instead of saying I’ll move but you must pay me first. Not one report from Spain has said anything like that and that’s the press that Barca are supposedly using to force him out!
The thing is we keep getting the same stuff over and over and people get more and more worried when it's said.
We've known for ages he doesn't want to leave. It's been reported over and over its nothing new. Doesn't mean a deal is impossible as random Spanish guy said as Barca will still need to lower his wages.
Luckhurst seems like he's just gathered everything up and slapped his own opinion on it. De Jong isn't going to tell team mates he wants to leave whilst the press are reporting he wants to stay, it would make no sense at all. Plus as people have said... we're not entering the 10th week of discussions, we've made a bid and it's been accepted, nothing left to do from our side
The theory is if he says he wants to leave, Barca can turn round then and say we don't owe you a penny. He loses his loyalty bonuses too.
We don't know what's in his contract, there might be a clause where if he wants out before his contract ends, then he's owed nothing or he forfeits his rights to owed wages? If he's forced out and doesn't want to leave, Barca have to pay him as he's never said he wants to go.
All the reports in Spain are from Barca it seems, they're not going to admit that, not in a million years
So what's the game?
Has De Jong been flat out lying to a manager he has lots of respect for about being open to joining Utd to string him along for some sinister plan we don't know? Has De Jong constantly told us no via communications with Ten Hag but we're refusing to take the hint and pursuing him anyway hoping by some miracle he changes his mind?
That midfield is absolutely atrocious!
If we don't get FDJ, we still need to sign someone.
He clearly does not want to come. People using his £17m as an excuse for him not to leave is just hope now.
Messi had money owed and left last season, they still owe him money.
De Jong is happy in Barca, his fiance is happy in Barca. No reason for him to leave.
We were told Barca will need to sell before they buy, they have just bought Raphinia and Lewandowski without welling.
They have signed Dembele, Kessie, Christensen without selling.
They cant register players is next, we all know from the past years, Barca find a way.
Messi had money owed and left last season, they still owe him money.
De Jong is happy in Barca, his fiance is happy in Barca. No reason for him to leave.
We were told Barca will need to sell before they buy, they have just bought Raphinia and Lewandowski without welling.
They have signed Dembele, Kessie, Christensen without selling.
They cant register players is next, we all know from the past years, Barca find a way.
Have to agree to this, if he really wanted to be a Manchester United player he'd be one by now.
So what's the game?
Has De Jong been flat out lying to a manager he has lots of respect for about being open to joining Utd to string him along for some sinister plan we don't know? Has De Jong constantly told us no via communications with Ten Hag but we're refusing to take the hint and pursuing him anyway hoping by some miracle he changes his mind?
This is corrupt. They've signed more players than us despite allegedly being close to bankrupcy.
Selling deJong and others is that way!
Are you scouse?!
Yeah I don't believe that. No way we aimlessly chase FDJ and accept we won't sign anybody, in the most needed position, if we fail. And this is out of our hands too, so it's not like we can be confident we'll just pay up in the end. It's been said throughout that we will walk away, some had last week as the deadline too.
It's far from a perfect storm in our favour by the looks of it. Long term contract, about to have a huge salary increase, plays at dream club, just bought a big house in Barcelona, we've no CL, Barca building a team good enough to clean up trophies....it's a damn tough sell if anything.
You know this how?
Because the media tell you? You think Ten Hag would chase a player with no assurances? Why do people keep thinking this, I really have no idea what the thought train behind this is.
We went after Timber, he changed his mind we moved on. We wanted Brobbey, he said he wanted to go to Ajax, we moved on quickly.
If de Jong GENUINELY didn't want to come, we'd move on. It's what's best for all parties. What's said in the media isn't what's being said behind closed doors, that is very obvious
Who says he has told Ten Hag he wants to come? Isn’t it as likely that Ten Hag has backed himself to change his mind and, at the minute, De Jong wants to stay?
Is this scenario unlikely? That De Jong has said no but TenHag thinks he can change his mind and is backing himself to do so since Barca will help in any way they can for him to do so?
How do you know what he has told Ten Hag? Are you involved in those conversations?
Manutd met with the agent, they have clearly tried but they think they can get him. Barca are using United.
People think Frenkie is in the driving seat, in reality its Barca, they have told Frenkie if you want to stay reduce your wage, otherwise we have accepted an offer from United.
Its been a week since the offer was accepted and personal terms are not even close, the player clearly only wants to stay at Barca.
What will probably happen is that he will bow down to Barca, reduce his wages and stay.
Because he doesn't want to leave. There's no game here, he wants to stay at Barcelona and he is contractually able to do that.
The only source that said we'd walk away after a deadline was talkSPORT. None of our other sources said the same. Even Simon Stone said we'd give the situation time to solve itself before making a decision unless you think talkSPORT are more reliable than Stone/Ducker
Maybe we haven't walked away because there's something bigger at play we're unaware about
If Barca can keep De Jong, it means they have high confidence in getting the funds required and Manchester United would not need to pursue the deal further. Laporta would have also come out and said FDJ will be staying. Quite straightforward actually.
However the situation is different where they need to force FDJ out to balance the books. How they are going to settle FDJ's contract is the key problem, as they cant just force him out. There is a high possibility the agent of FDJ is ensuring Barcelona pays what is owed before deciding on Manchester United's offer. All in all, it is a very messy situation for Barcelona.
He will come. Believe.
Makes no sense to agree a fee with barca if we didn't get the green light from him beforehand.
All the public articles are just a game of chicken between his agent and barca to see who blinks first in coming to a settlement on his wages.
Longing for same day different shit?
I think this is the most likely scenario. Maybe he hasn't necessarily said no, but just kept his options open and that, plus Barca willingness to sell, has got United all over-excited.
Yes, which is how everyone, including yourself find out things, through the media.
When alot of people are saying he wants to stay, but you want to believe it, thats not my issue.
His huge salary increase is a result of the deferred wages being repaid, it’s not a pay rise! This is also the reason Barca need/want to sell. The rest is circumstantial- house can be sold again, dream club is nonsense arguement - the man needs to be employed! And we will very likely have CL next year. I gave you the big reasons why now is the time to follow this through to conclusion. You have a very pessimistic outlook.
Still as confident as ever we're signing him.
Highly doubt he accepts a pay-cut that's significant that allows Barcelona to register their new signings.
Highly doubt he accepts a pay-cut that's significant that allows Barcelona to register their new signings.
You think the most likely scenario is United’s new management team who are out to impress wasting a vital rebuild window chasing a player they KNOW has no interest in joining?
talkSPORT have been ok for things recently. But what we tell Stone and what the truth is, aren't always the same thing. I suspect we will tread carefully if we're walking away because there's no way we look good from it. We'll probably quietly go about seeking alternatives whilst there is this apparent stagnation in the FDJ deal.
Can only go with what's in the media by reliable people. Oriol Domenech was the guy who broke FDJ to Barca in 2019. Are you suggesting you know more than Romero and him? And Fabrizio has said he doesn't want to take a pay cut. And again I ask do you then think we're being lied to or being strung along?
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You’re right, but Barca can only drop his wages 50% by Spanish law anyway, it’s not enough to suit their purpose even if he would agree.
That's not what I said. I said he probably didn't outright say no to ETH but kept his options open. That has given us the motivation to push it, along with Barca being willing to sell. But, FDJ just doesn't really want to leave and had started setting up his life with his soon to be wife in Barcelona.
Nah, but I think the most likely scenario is wasting a vital rebuild window chasing a player that has a slight interest in joining. Slight as in, we're his plan B, worst case scenario.
I didn't see that same level of confidence to change a player's mind when Brobbey and Timber told us no so yes I think it's still unlikely but not impossible
Worst case? He’s been told to leave the club depending on who you believe. Aside from that his sale has been negotiated already - not exactly a welcoming feeling is it?
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