That’s a completely different - and extremely complicated - debate.
I think the digs at Arsenal and Spurs were Neville's attempts at humour. Nothing too serious.
I don't think it's that complicated at all.
They point it out as if it invalidates his opinion. He’s angry at this particular form of competition. To argue back ‘well what about other things’ is a mix of whataboutism and tu quoque.
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.” Just because its not exactly the same thing doesnt mean he doesnt have blood on his hands. How is it fair that lower league clubs that have fought for years to get promoted then lose out to a billionaire with no link to the club or country. Is this fair play? You telling me thats not a closed system in a different coat. What chance do they have? None. 0. Nada.
If you have to lie and make up things to make a point, you lost the discussion before it started.
Who are you calling a lier. Its a fans opinion forum. Im calling him a hypocrite based on the fact that he is committing similar atrocities against football and making an educated guess that if he was profiting from the super league then he would say different. Thats a fair assumption. Doesnt make me a lier.
No because a) Salford haven't been promoted at every opportunity, because b) other teams have been able to play/compete against/beat them. What blood has he got on his hands? He hasn't stopped anyone from competing. The teams they've surpassed are still able to get promoted/relegated just the same. They haven't in any way effected the very fabric of the competition... that is what the ESL is doing, it is vastly different to the point where its barely comparable.
Stop trying to compare it. Its different I agree. But it still stands the corruption of football is systemic. Its rotten to the core. The ESL is just a symptom of its underlying disease. And the disease, the corruption, the greed has everything to do with Neville. It has everything to do with everyone who participated or stood by and did nothing. Pot calling the kettle black. If you want to state that ESL is worse then fair enough. But its like the guy who stabbed you shouting at the guy who ran over you with his car.
Glad we got there.
I don’t if I’m misunderstanding something, but how is Neville pouring his own money into Salford an example of greed? Has he made much return on his investment?
Of course he would. He's as two faced as they come. Remember you have to give a manager time he spouted, yet sacked his own teams manager after 4 months and a week after they had won a trophy. Good player, not such a good bloke.
Semantics. Point still stands. Doing the exact same thing as in destroying football, making unfair competition etc
His backer is Peter Lim the billionaire. They are buying players for way more than any other clubs can afford. Peter lim and the rest of the celebrity footballers are not doing it for the love of football. They have a long term goal to get a return on their investment.
You honestly think that if Neville wanted to make money and was acting out of pure greed, that he would have chosen to buy Salford for that purpose?
You think Per Lim is in it for shits and giggles?
But I thought we were taking about Gary Neville being a hypocrite?
If he brings in Peter Lim as a backer who is in it for the money. If he buys his way out of the league when even Scholes said they wouldn't do that at the beginning. When he sacks managers when preaching that sacking managers is bad. Does this not all point to a hypocrite? There is obviously a bond between Salford and United and the players do have some altruistic motives but every action they take is not all about the purity of football.
Well that’s all well and good. I’m not trying to take the piss I was asking how this is an example of greed that’s all. Pouring a lot of his own resources into an investment without any guarantee of making a decent return doesn’t strike me as an act of ‘greed’.
Point taken. But I’d have thought he would have come out , guns blazing, scorning this whole episode.
I think you're underestimating Ole. Klopp has no affiliation with Liverpool. He did win the league with them but he's currently what? 6th place?
Link please?
I hope you are right. I would love to see the bold
I disagree.
Same mateI hope you are right. I would love to see the bold
I didn't take it as you taking the piss. I was just replying to your question. I agree that its grey. Its hard to state that its 100 percent pure greed and yes how do you run a football club without funding? How do you run one without sacking managers? The problem I have is that he is a main voice in football and preaches one thing and practices the other. Same as a lot of the voices that are going all mental.
Fair enough
Two muppets
Avoided giving an answer I think.
Exactly - they're easily discardable. You need intervention at the level of the gov't saying you can't do this. An employer or player is not going to do feckall in the large scheme of things.
Really? Wow.
I wouldn't say that they are easily discardable especially Ole at the moment. However they are still employees. There's no chance in hell that the club would turn down the chance of earning ridiculous money because it would upset Ole or any other employee really. Managers have enough tough time managing a club in normal conditions especially at this time when fatigue starts kicking in and clubs start reaching semi finals etc. Now football had gone upside down, players might find themselves kicked out of their national team etc. These people won't be knocking at Joel Glazer's office door but the manager's. The last thing Ole needs is for Gary Neville to expect him to become some sort of Che Guevara. Ole had one solid shot at a top club. He shouldn't be expected to throw that away.
If you listened to Klopp on Radio 5Live around the time of the Brexit debate you’d realise that he’s as opinionated as Neville, if not more. He can do it quite eloquently in 2 languages
