mariachi-19
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Better defender, nowhere near as good going forward.Well I've always said he has been better than Ramos
Better defender, nowhere near as good going forward.Well I've always said he has been better than Ramos
The poster hasn't a fecking clue seemingly.Because we had Rio Ferdinand and Nemenja Vidic in their prime ffs! They were miles fecking better then him and he hasnt even come close to how good they were in their prime.
Agree. His ball skills and composure in possession are even more amplified up close in the flesh. He wouldn’t be a top player/defender or playing for Barca if he didn’t have those attributes.I have a hard time evaluating Pique. With the ball at his feet he's arguably one of the best ever to play the position. However his defensive capabilities are not great imo, especially if the defense is not compact. As soon as there a little space around him he becomes very vulnerable and has a hard time recovering because he is not very fast or physical if compared to VVD for example. But on the other side he is so comfortable on the ball it's like having an extra midfielder on the pitch.
I disagree.Better defender, nowhere near as good going forward.
Pique is actually very good going forward. Ramos is even better, but the difference is not that big.Better defender, nowhere near as good going forward.
ffs, I'm really starting to think it's a personal issue for you.I disagree.
And thats not true this season, certainly not last night. Rashford kicked the ball a good 20 yards in front of himself and from a standing start Pique beat him to the ball. He isnt slow.I have a hard time evaluating Pique. With the ball at his feet he's arguably one of the best ever to play the position. However his defensive capabilities are not great imo, especially if the defense is not compact. As soon as there a little space around him he becomes very vulnerable and has a hard time recovering because he is not very fast or physical if compared to VVD for example. But on the other side he is so comfortable on the ball it's like having an extra midfielder on the pitch.
Starting?ffs, I'm really starting to think it's a personal issue for you.
Yup. Sergio RamosProbably second best centre half in the world on form at moment?
We all know who number one is.
Not his best. For example he was better in the clasico a month ago.Yesterday was easily his best match of the season so far, and one of the main reasons for Barça's first ever win at OT.
Neither in terms of ability nor success. The careers Drinkwater, Evans, O'Shea, Brown, Heaton, Shawcross, Rashford, Welbeck etc. have all had better careers and Morrison had more talent.Pointing out the obvious but he's had an excellent career. Him, Fletcher and Rossi are the best players to have come through our youth system since Class of 92.
Edit: Pogba too.
O'Shea, Evans and Brown fair enough but Shawcross bloody hellNeither in terms of ability nor success. The careers Drinkwater, Evans, O'Shea, Brown, Heaton, Shawcross, Rashford, Welbeck etc. have all had better careers and Morrison had more talent.
Shawcross has played 330 Premier League games, that's as many as Rossi has in total. Rossi has had 4 full seasons in his entire career, I don't think people realise how much injuries have limited his career.O'Shea, Evans and Brown fair enough but Shawcross bloody hell
That used to be the case. In the last couple years he's developed into a beast defensivelyI have a hard time evaluating Pique. With the ball at his feet he's arguably one of the best ever to play the position. However his defensive capabilities are not great imo, especially if the defense is not compact. As soon as there a little space around him he becomes very vulnerable and has a hard time recovering because he is not very fast or physical if compared to VVD for example. But on the other side he is so comfortable on the ball it's like having an extra midfielder on the pitch.
Remember when we sold him to bring through Johnny fecking Evans...
Sad times. Like when we told Pogba to get lost so that he didn't ruin Scholes' retirement pla........ow shit that happenedYeah wasn’t long after that we sold Ronaldo to make room for Valencia and then pressured Fergie to quit so we could get Moyes in.
Wes BrownPointing out the obvious but he's had an excellent career. Him, Fletcher and Rossi are the best players to have come through our youth system since Class of 92.
Edit: Pogba too.
Yeah forgot about him and O'Shea.Wes Brown
Fair enough, my original post was meant to reflect the quality of player we've produced rather than their career success. Rossi was gaining a lot of international recognition and kicking on for the national team at one point. I think that's a testament to his quality, which injuries held back massively.Shawcross has played 330 Premier League games, that's as many as Rossi has in total. Rossi has had 4 full seasons in his entire career, I don't think people realise how much injuries have limited his career.
9 red cards in his club career, not sure about internationals. He's got a fair way to go to catch the red card receiving prowess of Sergio Ramos.Much prefer him to Ramos.
How many times has he been sent off in his career out of interest?
For me Rossi and Pogba are the most talented we have produced since 92. I have never been more excited about a prospect in our youths as I was for RossiFair enough, my original post was meant to reflect the quality of player we've produced rather than their career success. Rossi was gaining a lot of international recognition and kicking on for the national team at one point. I think that's a testament to his quality, which injuries held back massively.
And don't forget those silly red cards because he felt like confronting the ref.9 red cards in his club career, not sure about internationals. He's got a fair way to go to catch the red card receiving prowess of Sergio Ramos.
Same. I wanted to get Rossi 42 on my shirt that year but held off because I thought he'd likely switch numbers. Saw a guy once at OT with it though, what a hipster.For me Rossi and Pogba are the most talented we have produced since 92. I have never been more excited about a prospect in our youths as I was for Rossi