Getting top 4 last season...a curse in disguise?

[SAFMUTD]

I think we can all agree we we're happy that last season we got top 4 and UCL football. Of course no one truely believes we got a chance of winning the competition but the main argument was that without Champions League football we wouldnt had the money to buy the players we wanted or those players wouldnt be interested in joining us, specifically Sancho.

Many of us felt the Sancho deal was at steak but now, even with top 4, it looks like we won't get him either and not only that but we haven't bring anyone bar Van de Beek. It seems the board only invest when we lose out on top 4, we've saw how as soon as we get UCL football they go quiet in the market which ultimately results in a tragedy of a season.

Maybe it was better for us to lose out on top 4 last season, I mean it was only one result away. If we lost to Leicester we would have been 5th, Ole would have probably been sacked, we would have brought a new manager and the board would have been forced to spend big for the new manager. Which would have ultimately resulted in us having a, probably, better manager and definately a better squad. Instead we are stucked with Ole, which many of us feel is not good enough to reach the heights we want, and we haven't strenghten the team properly.

It seems this will be a write off season again. It's unlikely we will close the gap or make sustancial progress towards the title, most likely we will struggle to get top 4 and have to start all over next year. So wouldnt it been better to do it since this one? Was getting top 4 a curse in disguise? would you change the Leicester result if you could?

 

[Samid]

would you change the Leicester result if you could?

No.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Ridiculous thread. Please close it.

 

[Infestissumam]

would you change the Leicester result if you could?

^^ no.

I would change ownership if I could, but that's a story for another thread I guess.

 

[bosnian_red]

We wouldn't spend any differently if we didn't finish top 4 this summer. Its just constant excuse, goal posts would be shifted and be "no CL income plus no fans means we can't spend".

 

[Paxi]

No Ole got there on merit in the end despite having a horrible run of form.

We signed Bruno at the end of January?

We should have signed him 4 moths earlier along with better players than James.

I’m blaming those fecking leeches fecking over LvG, Jose and Ole. Give him the proper tools and he might consolidate our top 4 position. I’m not sure whether he can take us to a title but with proper backing Ole can stabilise the club but we aren’t even giving him that chance.

So no. It wasn’t a curse in disguise. We should be investing significantly in our squad to build on our top four finish (which wasn’t very impressive at all) instead we’re largely going in with the same squad. 66 points or whatever will not be enough every season.

 

[el3mel]

No, getting top 4 has nothing to do with it. Getting 3rd though might have convinced the board we are great, even though the facts we were saying is we got it with only 66 points and 65 goals scored or something. I'm pretty sure the board thought since we got 3rd then we don't need much investment without looking in the context.

 

[Bebestation]

Your in the CL until your knocked out of it.

Doesnt matter who your manager is you have a chance until your day your knocked out.

So hell no.

 

[SAFMUTD]

No Ole got there on merit in the end despite having a horrible run of form.

We signed Bruno at the end of January?

We should have signed him 4 moths earlier along with better players than James.

I’m blaming those fecking leeches fecking over LvG, Jose and Ole. Give him the proper tools and he might consolidate our top 4 position. I’m not sure whether he can take us to a title but with proper backing Ole can stabilise the club but we aren’t even giving him that chance.

So no. It wasn’t a curse in disguise. We should be investing significantly in our squad to build on our top four finish (which wasn’t very impressive at all) instead we’re largely going in with the same squad. 66 points or whatever will not be enough every season.

I agree with you mate, but all Im saying is that the only way its been proven that the Glazzers will spend big is when we miss on top 4. Not saying thats a valid reason, feck them, but if thats the way they'll spend maybe it was better for us.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Your in the CL until your knocked out of it.

Doesnt matter who your manager is you have a chance until your day your knocked out.

So hell no.

Maybe learn to support a team a bit. Is the support of other clubs is trash as ours? Or is it that alot of these support only understand success and are feeling uncomfortable supporting without it. Football is a sport & you will not always win. Learn to support & not wish your team to lose all over the place

I dont think anyone that gives himself the time to be active on a forum for a specific team can be said he doesnt support his team. This is a debate forum, I just dont agree with the "just suck it up" argument, be a "true fan" and support everything.

 

[Bebestation]

So this is basically another sack an Ole thread but done last year? What's the difference exactly?

 

[JPRouve]

I think we can all agree we we're happy that last season we got top 4 and UCL football. Of course no one truely believes we got a chance of winning the competition but the main argument was that without Champions League football we wouldnt had the money to buy the players we wanted or those players wouldnt be interested in joining us, specifically Sancho.

Many of us felt the Sancho deal was at steak but now, even with top 4, it looks like we won't get him either and not only that but we haven't bring anyone bar Van de Beek. It seems the board only invest when we lose out on top 4, we've saw how as soon as we get UCL football they go quiet in the market which ultimately results in a tragedy of a season.

Maybe it was better for us to lose out on top 4 last season, I mean it was only one result away. If we lost to Leicester we would have been 5th, Ole would have probably been sacked, we would have brought a new manager and the board would have been forced to spend big for the new manager. Which would have ultimately resulted in us having a, probably, better manager and definately a better squad. Instead we are stucked with Ole, which many of us feel is not good enough to reach the heights we want, and we haven't strenghten the team properly.

It seems this will be a write off season again. It's unlikely we will close the gap or make sustancial progress towards the title, most likely we will struggle to get top 4 and have to start all over next year. So wouldnt it been better to do it since this one? Was getting top 4 a curse in disguise? would you change the Leicester result if you could?

This part isn't true, outside of last season the season where we spent the most was 2017/2018. The pattern is with cash flow, we spend when we have it with one exception in 2014/2015 where we spent money despite a lack of cash.

 

[Paxi]

I agree with you mate, but all Im saying is that the only way its been proven that the Glazzers will spend big is when we miss on top 4. Not saying thats a valid reason, feck them, but if thats the way they'll spend maybe it was better for us.

Well I agree that they’re reactionary but missing out on top 4 would have set us back drastically. Especially during COVID. We’d only make some other excuses not to spend money. I understand your frustration though as long as it’s with the board.
Not finishing top 4 would have meant Ole lost his job unfairly.
And that’s coming who’s not sure about him at all. I’m flip flopping week to week whether he’s good enough.

 

[TheLord]

The better way to look at it is to hope we lose points before the window closes rather than after.
Another 3 points dropped against Brighton will definitely get us closer to Sancho. I don't know if that is even a good thing to say, but is probably a more optimistic opinion than the OP.

 

[Hammerfell]

I’m done.

 

[DRM]

So you want another season in the Europa??

 

[SAFMUTD]

This part isn't true, outside of last season the season where we spent the most was 2017/2018. The pattern is with cash flow, we spend when we have it with one exception in 2014/2015 where we spent money despite a lack of cash.

I wont go further than Sir Alex because when we had him being outside top 4 just didnt happened.

League 12/13: 1st

Arrivals 13/14: Mata 45M, Fellaini 32M. Total spend: 77M.
League 13/14: 7th

Arrivals 14/15: Di Maria 75M, Shaw 37.5M, Herrera 36M, Rojo 20M, Blind 17M, Falcao on 10M loan. Total spend: 195.5M
League 14/15: 4th

Arrivals 15/16: Martial 60M, Schneiderlin 35M, Depay 34M, Darmian 18M, Schweinsteiger 9M, Romero free. Total spend: 156M
League 15/16: 5th

Arrivals 16/17: Pogba 105M, Mhikitaryan 42M, Bailly 38M, Zlatan free. Total spend: 185M
League 16/17: 6th

Arrivals 17/18: Lukaku 85M, Matic 45M, Lindelof 35M, Alexis swapt for Mhikitaryan. Total spend: 165M
League 17/18: 2nd

Arrivals 18/19: Fred 59M, Dalot 22M, Grant 2M. Total spend: 83M.
League 18/19: 6th

Arrivals 19/20: Maguire 87M, Bruno 55M, AWB 55M, Daniel James 17M, Ighalo loan. Total spend: 214M.
League 19/20: 3rd

Arrivals 20/21 so far: Van de Beek 39M.


We spend 190M on average when we miss top 4 and 105M when we reach it. Without pondering 20/21 since the window is not closed yet. If the pattern is cash flow and not table results then its a hell of a coincidence dont you think?

 

[Amadaeus]

Ole keeps finding a way to survive. It is like a cockroach that won’t die. It is clear that he is not up to task, but then he pulls out a streaky run with tremendous luck that saves his career. I feel that such scenario will happen again this season, especially if we get Sancho.

The penalty on Pogba would have been given last season. Maybe his luck have run out? Who knows. I would have definitely changed the result because United will be better of with a manager with a more attacking philosophy and better management abilities.

 

[Cassidy]

I wont go further than Sir Alex because when we had him being outside top 4 just didnt happened.

League 12/13: 1st

Arrivals 13/14: Mata 45M, Fellaini 32M. Total spend: 77M.
League 13/14: 7th

Arrivals 14/15: Di Maria 75M, Shaw 37.5M, Herrera 36M, Rojo 20M, Blind 17M, Falcao on 10M loan. Total spend: 195.5M
League 14/15: 4th

Arrivals 15/16: Martial 60M, Schneiderlin 35M, Depay 34M, Darmian 18M, Schweinsteiger 9M, Romero free. Total spend: 156M
League 15/16: 5th

Arrivals 16/17: Pogba 105M, Mhikitaryan 42M, Bailly 38M, Zlatan free. Total spend: 185M
League 16/17: 6th

Arrivals 17/18: Lukaku 85M, Matic 45M, Lindelof 35M, Alexis swapt for Mhikitaryan. Total spend: 165M
League 17/18: 2nd

Arrivals 18/19: Fred 59M, Dalot 22M, Grant 2M. Total spend: 83M.
League 18/19: 6th

Arrivals 19/20: Maguire 87M, Bruno 55M, AWB 55M, Daniel James 17M, Ighalo loan. Total spend: 214M.
League 19/20: 3rd

Arrivals 20/21 so far: Van de Beek 39M.


We spend 190M on average when we miss top 4 and 105M when we reach it. Without pondering 20/21 since the window is not closed yet. If the pattern is cash flow and not table results then its a hell of a coincidence dont you think?

You need to include the sales

 

[Paxi]

The better way to look at it is to hope we lose points before the window closes rather than after.
Another 3 points dropped against Brighton will definitely get us closer to Sancho. I don't know if that is even a good thing to say, but is probably a more optimistic opinion than the OP.

Well I got ripped into by thinking the same but we do have a reactionary board. Gary Neville attested to that in commentary last night. I think it’s a horrible way to support your club but ultimately that’s out of desperation. What else do we do with owners like that?

 

[SAFMUTD]

You need to include the sales

Fair enough.


League 12/13: 1st

Arrivals 13/14: Mata 45M, Fellaini 32M. Total spend: 77M.
Departures: Zaha loan fee 1.8M
Net spend: 75.2M
League 13/14: 7th

Arrivals 14/15: Di Maria 75M, Shaw 37.5M, Herrera 36M, Rojo 20M, Blind 17M, Falcao on 10M loan. Total spend: 195.5M
Departures: Welbeck 20M, Kawaga 8M, Buttner 5.5M, Zaha 3.8M, Bebe 3M, Chicharito loan fee 3M, Angelo Henriquez loan 1.5M, Keane 2.5M, Evra 2M, Mancheda, Vidic and Ferdinand free. Total: 49.6M
Net spend: 145.9M
League 14/15: 4th

Arrivals 15/16: Martial 60M, Schneiderlin 35M, Depay 34M, Darmian 18M, Schweinsteiger 9M, Romero free. Total spend: 156M
Departures: Di Maria 63M, Chicharito 12M, Evans 8.3M, RVP 6.5M, Nani 6M, Rafael 3.2M, Angelo Henriquez 1.7M, Reece James 1.4M. Total: 102.7M
Net spend: 53.3M
League 15/16: 5th

Arrivals 16/17: Pogba 105M, Mhikitaryan 42M, Bailly 38M, Zlatan free. Total spend: 185M
Departures: Schneiderlin 23M, Depay 16M, McNair 5.25M, Blackett 1.8M, Will Keane 1.2M. Total: 47.25M
Net spend: 137.75M
League 16/17: 6th

Arrivals 17/18: Lukaku 85M, Matic 45M, Lindelof 35M, Alexis swapt for Mhikitaryan. Total spend: 165M
Departures: Januzaj 8.5M, Pereira loan fee 3M. Total: 11.5M
Net spend: 153.5M
League 17/18: 2nd

Arrivals 18/19: Fred 59M, Dalot 22M, Grant 2M. Total spend: 83M.
Departures: Blind 16M, Johnstone 7.35M, Fellaini 7.2M. Total: 30.55M
Net spend: 52.45M
League 18/19: 6th

Arrivals 19/20: Maguire 87M, Bruno 55M, AWB 55M, Daniel James 17M, Ighalo loan. Total spend: 214M.
Departures: Lukaku 74M, Smalling loan fee 3M, Darmian 2.5M, Young 1.7M. Total: 81.2M
Net spend: 132.8M
League 19/20: 3rd

Arrivals 20/21 so far: Van de Beek 39M.
Departures: Alexis and Chong on loan for free.

So on average we have a net spend of 142.5M when we finish outside top 4 and 60.3M when we finish on top 4. The gap is even worst if we consider departures.

 

[Idxomer]

No, I always want us to win even with Mourinho near the end but if we had a better board with higher standards Ole would've been replaced after the end of the season.

 

[Cassidy]

Fair enough.


League 12/13: 1st

Arrivals 13/14: Mata 45M, Fellaini 32M. Total spend: 77M.
Departures: Zaha loan fee 1.8M
Net spend: 75.2M
League 13/14: 7th

Arrivals 14/15: Di Maria 75M, Shaw 37.5M, Herrera 36M, Rojo 20M, Blind 17M, Falcao on 10M loan. Total spend: 195.5M
Departures: Welbeck 20M, Kawaga 8M, Buttner 5.5M, Zaha 3.8M, Bebe 3M, Chicharito loan fee 3M, Angelo Henriquez loan 1.5M, Keane 2.5M, Evra 2M, Mancheda, Vidic and Ferdinand free. Total: 49.6M
Net spend: 145.9M
League 14/15: 4th

Arrivals 15/16: Martial 60M, Schneiderlin 35M, Depay 34M, Darmian 18M, Schweinsteiger 9M, Romero free. Total spend: 156M
Departures: Di Maria 63M, Chicharito 12M, Evans 8.3M, RVP 6.5M, Nani 6M, Rafael 3.2M, Angelo Henriquez 1.7M, Reece James 1.4M. Total: 102.7M
Net spend: 53.3M
League 15/16: 5th

Arrivals 16/17: Pogba 105M, Mhikitaryan 42M, Bailly 38M, Zlatan free. Total spend: 185M
Departures: Schneiderlin 23M, Depay 16M, McNair 5.25M, Blackett 1.8M, Will Keane 1.2M. Total: 47.25M
Net spend: 137.75M
League 16/17: 6th

Arrivals 17/18: Lukaku 85M, Matic 45M, Lindelof 35M, Alexis swapt for Mhikitaryan. Total spend: 165M
Departures: Januzaj 8.5M, Pereira loan fee 3M. Total: 11.5M
Net spend: 153.5M
League 17/18: 2nd

Arrivals 18/19: Fred 59M, Dalot 22M, Grant 2M. Total spend: 83M.
Departures: Blind 16M, Johnstone 7.35M, Fellaini 7.2M. Total: 30.55M
Net spend: 52.45M
League 18/19: 6th

Arrivals 19/20: Maguire 87M, Bruno 55M, AWB 55M, Daniel James 17M, Ighalo loan. Total spend: 214M.
Departures: Lukaku 74M, Smalling loan fee 3M, Darmian 2.5M, Young 1.7M. Total: 81.2M
Net spend: 132.8M
League 19/20: 3rd

Arrivals 20/21 so far: Van de Beek 39M.
Departures: Alexis and Chong on loan for free.

So on average we have a net spend of 142.5M when we finish outside top 4 and 60.3M when we finish on top 4. The gap is even worst if we consider departures.

Exactly we are a joke of a club. We are not interested in winning titles. Once we secure top 4 the club is happy and dont invest. We are basically Arsenal

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

If Ole gets top 4 this season without further investment, he can resign himself to being the new Arsene Wenger post 2005. The top 4 champion.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Please close thread. No I do not wish we finished 5th instead of 4th.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Exactly we are a joke of a club. We are not interested in winning titles. Once we secure top 4 the club is happy and dont invest. We are basically Arsenal

Thats my point, the owners are not really interested in winning titles but securing top 4, maybe its better for us to lose on top 4 and maybe with proper back ups we can have a lucky season in which we actually challenge after spending properly. No point in wondering around 3-4th with a 30 point gap and spending 40-50M.

 

[Idxomer]

Fair enough.


League 12/13: 1st

Arrivals 13/14: Mata 45M, Fellaini 32M. Total spend: 77M.
Departures: Zaha loan fee 1.8M
Net spend: 75.2M
League 13/14: 7th

Arrivals 14/15: Di Maria 75M, Shaw 37.5M, Herrera 36M, Rojo 20M, Blind 17M, Falcao on 10M loan. Total spend: 195.5M
Departures: Welbeck 20M, Kawaga 8M, Buttner 5.5M, Zaha 3.8M, Bebe 3M, Chicharito loan fee 3M, Angelo Henriquez loan 1.5M, Keane 2.5M, Evra 2M, Mancheda, Vidic and Ferdinand free. Total: 49.6M
Net spend: 145.9M
League 14/15: 4th

Arrivals 15/16: Martial 60M, Schneiderlin 35M, Depay 34M, Darmian 18M, Schweinsteiger 9M, Romero free. Total spend: 156M
Departures: Di Maria 63M, Chicharito 12M, Evans 8.3M, RVP 6.5M, Nani 6M, Rafael 3.2M, Angelo Henriquez 1.7M, Reece James 1.4M. Total: 102.7M
Net spend: 53.3M
League 15/16: 5th

Arrivals 16/17: Pogba 105M, Mhikitaryan 42M, Bailly 38M, Zlatan free. Total spend: 185M
Departures: Schneiderlin 23M, Depay 16M, McNair 5.25M, Blackett 1.8M, Will Keane 1.2M. Total: 47.25M
Net spend: 137.75M
League 16/17: 6th

Arrivals 17/18: Lukaku 85M, Matic 45M, Lindelof 35M, Alexis swapt for Mhikitaryan. Total spend: 165M
Departures: Januzaj 8.5M, Pereira loan fee 3M. Total: 11.5M
Net spend: 153.5M
League 17/18: 2nd

Arrivals 18/19: Fred 59M, Dalot 22M, Grant 2M. Total spend: 83M.
Departures: Blind 16M, Johnstone 7.35M, Fellaini 7.2M. Total: 30.55M
Net spend: 52.45M
League 18/19: 6th

Arrivals 19/20: Maguire 87M, Bruno 55M, AWB 55M, Daniel James 17M, Ighalo loan. Total spend: 214M.
Departures: Lukaku 74M, Smalling loan fee 3M, Darmian 2.5M, Young 1.7M. Total: 81.2M
Net spend: 132.8M
League 19/20: 3rd

Arrivals 20/21 so far: Van de Beek 39M.
Departures: Alexis and Chong on loan for free.

So on average we have a net spend of 142.5M when we finish outside top 4 and 60.3M when we finish on top 4. The gap is even worst if we consider departures.

All clubs spending fluctuate from year to another, you won't find a club that spend over 100m every year. The 235m the club spent on Ole signings could've been better allocated with better planning and vision. The problem with this board and management will always be we spend badly rather than not enough.

 

[Zoo]

What a joke of a thread.

 

[Sentient Meat]

Isn't spending a lagging indicator... like the way Trump takes credit for Obama/Biden setting up the economy to succeed? (Not trying to start an argument... as I don't like neoliberals much more than Republicans)
I just feel a sense of stagnation and hopelessness, that we will do okay but never achieve our main goal and become like Arsenal has been before Arteta.
I like Ole as a person, but I wish he'd do something surprising like find us an Ibrahimovic or get a Bale on loan. (I get that's not his job, but Jose would attract exciting players)
I feel like our current success was a function of Bruno infusing some spirit into the team and not much that Ole did.

So yes, although I was happy at the time... after seeing the improvement of Arsenal and Tottenham, I also feel like it was a false dawn.

 

[SAFMUTD]

All clubs spending fluctuate from year to another, you won't find a club that spend over 100m every year. The 235m the club spent on Ole signings could've been better allocated with better planning and vision. The problem with this board and management will always be we spend badly rather than not enough.

I agree with you, everyteam will spend more when not reaching goals and less when they do. With us the tendency is clear, we spend big when we miss out top 4 thats our goal.

Of course we have spent the money on shitty players we could have got a great team if buyinf properly, but my point its about the Glazzers lowering their guns when we reach top 4.
We think and talk about winning titles, but thats just not true. Nothing speaks as loudly as money and the Glazzers have proven our goal is top 4.

 

[rotherham_red]

Ridiculous thread. Please close it.

No surprise when you see the op's posts in the numerous Ole threads...

 

[Green_Red]

The only curse on this club is Woodward and the Glazers who only care about being top of the financial leagues and stealing our money than winning anything. Money made = winning to these leeches.

 

[vanderpants]

Unless the board were going to back ole and get signings through the door then yes its a curse as we will end up embarrassing ourselves against the elite European clubs

 

[Jippy]

Thats my point, the owners are not really interested in winning titles but securing top 4, maybe its better for us to lose on top 4 and maybe with proper back ups we can have a lucky season in which we actually challenge after spending properly. No point in wondering around 3-4th with a 30 point gap and spending 40-50M.

Accepting your theory for the sake of argument, when we have finished outside of the top four and ended up spending more, we haven't gone on to challenge the next season anyway.

What exactly is your point? Are you happy to write off a season after one game and while the transfer window is still open?

 

[JPRouve]

I wont go further than Sir Alex because when we had him being outside top 4 just didnt happened.

League 12/13: 1st

Arrivals 13/14: Mata 45M, Fellaini 32M. Total spend: 77M.
League 13/14: 7th

Arrivals 14/15: Di Maria 75M, Shaw 37.5M, Herrera 36M, Rojo 20M, Blind 17M, Falcao on 10M loan. Total spend: 195.5M
League 14/15: 4th

Arrivals 15/16: Martial 60M, Schneiderlin 35M, Depay 34M, Darmian 18M, Schweinsteiger 9M, Romero free. Total spend: 156M
League 15/16: 5th

Arrivals 16/17: Pogba 105M, Mhikitaryan 42M, Bailly 38M, Zlatan free. Total spend: 185M
League 16/17: 6th

Arrivals 17/18: Lukaku 85M, Matic 45M, Lindelof 35M, Alexis swapt for Mhikitaryan. Total spend: 165M
League 17/18: 2nd

Arrivals 18/19: Fred 59M, Dalot 22M, Grant 2M. Total spend: 83M.
League 18/19: 6th

Arrivals 19/20: Maguire 87M, Bruno 55M, AWB 55M, Daniel James 17M, Ighalo loan. Total spend: 214M.
League 19/20: 3rd

Arrivals 20/21 so far: Van de Beek 39M.


We spend 190M on average when we miss top 4 and 105M when we reach it. Without pondering 20/21 since the window is not closed yet. If the pattern is cash flow and not table results then its a hell of a coincidence dont you think?

Net increase in cash: 2020* - (-223.3)m; 2019 - 56.4m; 2018 - (-48.5)m; 2017 - 53m; 2016 - 60.8m; 2015 - 86.2m; 2014 - (-21.9)m
Payment for intangibles: 2020* - 211.7m 2019 - 178.2m; 2018 - 155.0m; 2017 - 193.m; 2016 - 138.1m; 2015 - 117.4m; 2014 - 92.9m

*At March 31st.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Accepting your theory for the sake of argument, when we have finished outside of the top four and ended up spending more, we haven't gone on to challenge the next season anyway.

What exactly is your point? Are you happy to write off a season after one game and while the transfer window is still open?

We haven't gone to challenge thats true but we finished closer. My point is that we are trapped under this mediocrity of owners who are happy to get just top 4. We should be investing heavily until we actually compete, no more quiet windows bullshit. Its just frustration coming out mate, Im not writing down the season of course I'll watch every single game but FFS is so depressing to know we dont stand a chance from day 1.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Net increase in cash: 2020* - (-223.3)m; 2019 - 56.4m; 2018 - (-48.5)m; 2017 - 53m; 2016 - 60.8m; 2015 - 86.2m; 2014 - (-21.9)m
Payment for intangibles: 2020* - 211.7m 2019 - 178.2m; 2018 - 155.0m; 2017 - 193.m; 2016 - 138.1m; 2015 - 117.4m; 2014 - 92.9m

*At March 31st.

Care to elaborate please? I dont understand to be honest.

 

[Jippy]

We haven't gone to challenge thats true but we finished closer. My point is that we are trapped under this mediocrity of owners who are happy to get just top 4. We should be investing heavily until we actually compete, no more quiet windows bullshit. Its just frustration coming out mate, Im not writing down the season of course I'll watch every single game but FFS is so depressing to know we dont stand a chance from day 1.

I understand the frustration, but we have spent more than virtually every other club in the world since SAF left. The problems clearly lie deeper.

 

[Sweet Square]

I'm guessing the poster means well but honestly this type of thread especially after we've only one played one game this season is killing this place as a football forum.

 

[redshaw]

Sounds like you're proposing a delay in the cycle. So we lose the last game last season, new manager comes in and we spend big, get top 4 then the board says well done do that again please then we fans say if only our new manager didn't get top four, we'd be spending big under a new manager.