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I saw 2 previous shouts for R9, i'll also add to that. Played for Madrid, Barcelona, AC and Inter Milan. Great player, but I don't think he would be a club legend at any of those clubs.
Van Der Sar definitely an Ajax legend. Best keeper they ever had and won pretty much every club trophy there is with them.Got to the mention of Beckham... 100% a Utd legend.
I'd say players like Zlatan, Laudrup, Thuram, Okocha (Bolton doesn't count), Hernan Crespo.
Gonna go 90s here and say Georgi Hagi, incredible player. Or maybe Hristo Stoijkov, he's probably considered a Barcelona legend, but you never really hear him mentioned amongst the greats. Dejan Savićević perhaps, another fantastic player. I'm aware some of these guys played for Red Star and are likely considered legends there.
Van Der Sar - up there as one of the greatest goalkeepers of the last 30 years, but would he really be considered as Utd or Ajax legend?
He came at a time of crisis, with Inter having just won the treble, and promptly lead them to their first league title since 2004(that's 7 years), turning a fading club back into a force in Italy and respectable in CL as well. Left because he was forced out - and never made any mystery that Milan was the club he's liked most and identofied with the most, even while at PSG. Then came back at another time of crisis and turned the entire club around, leading to their first league title in 11 years. Now he's part of their front office - indeed, the ownership is basically using him as a lightning rod, since he can do no wrong in the eyes of milan fansNow that does surprise me! I wonder why? He only has 125 appearances for the club and more than half of them came after he turned 39 (!).
Has he been trash-talking Inter and Juventus or something like that?
Definitely a united legend as well. Best or second best keeper we've ever had.Van Der Sar definitely an Ajax legend. Best keeper they ever had and won pretty much every club trophy there is with them.
He's a Madrid legend for sure, and I think Inter still claim him as well these days. At least the fans old enough to have seen him before the injuries. Though his case is more of a he was such a legend of the game that any club he played for wants to claim himI saw 2 previous shouts for R9, i'll also add to that. Played for Madrid, Barcelona, AC and Inter Milan. Great player, but I don't think he would be a club legend at any of those clubs.
I didn't regard him as a legend before his second spell. Some of us hold that viewpoint too.Emotionional connection and esteem are an integral part of the discussion whether or not somebody is a legend or not. And Ronaldo simply burned a lot of that esteem with his second tenure at United. Understandably so, his play was often substandard and listless by his standards, his conduct not rarely utterly unbecoming, and I don't think we need to talk about the way his story at United ended. A lot of fans were very fed up with him, both in regards to his play and his personality, and I'd say for good reason. And that of course would overshadow is outstanding first stint at United for many, you cannot erase that out of the picture that is "Ronaldo at United", just like his lacklustre second stint cannot erase how outstanding his first one was. They're both part of it. And it would seem for a decent percentage of fans that ruins their overall view of the player enough to push him out of legend status for them.
Could say the same about the vast majority of Leeds players, Kewell/Viduka/Smith/Woodgate/Bowyer etc, I doubt Leeds fans would even consider them legends alongside Don Revie and the like.Has anyone said Harry Kewell
Genuinely how old are you? Van der sar is most definitely a united legend.Got to the mention of Beckham... 100% a Utd legend.
I'd say players like Zlatan, Laudrup, Thuram, Okocha (Bolton doesn't count), Hernan Crespo.
Gonna go 90s here and say Georgi Hagi, incredible player. Or maybe Hristo Stoijkov, he's probably considered a Barcelona legend, but you never really hear him mentioned amongst the greats. Dejan Savićević perhaps, another fantastic player. I'm aware some of these guys played for Red Star and are likely considered legends there.
Van Der Sar - up there as one of the greatest goalkeepers of the last 30 years, but would he really be considered as Utd or Ajax legend?
He’s a legend at moaning.
PSV legendI want to say Van Nistelrooy.
Yes. Clear legend of both teams..Van Der Sar - up there as one of the greatest goalkeepers of the last 30 years, but would he really be considered as Utd or Ajax legend?
I don't think it's such a bad shout to question it. I'm 45 if my age is important. He's borderline for me on the basis that I think you can only have so many legends.Genuinely how old are you? Van der sar is most definitely a united legend.
I liked Ballack but he's probably borderline a Chelsea legend.
Old enough to have watched the rest of those players I mentioned play.Genuinely how old are you? Van der sar is most definitely a united legend.
I'd definitely call VDS a United legend. HGot to the mention of Beckham... 100% a Utd legend.
I'd say players like Zlatan, Laudrup, Thuram, Okocha (Bolton doesn't count), Hernan Crespo.
Gonna go 90s here and say Georgi Hagi, incredible player. Or maybe Hristo Stoijkov, he's probably considered a Barcelona legend, but you never really hear him mentioned amongst the greats. Dejan Savićević perhaps, another fantastic player.
Van Der Sar - up there as one of the greatest goalkeepers of the last 30 years, but would he really be considered as Utd or Ajax legend?
Unless you're old enough to have seen Sir Bobby play he's the best player any of us have ever seen play for United. And we have three more league titles and a CL because of him that we would not have had without him. I'm sure you could find people who'd tell you that alone doesn't make him a legend but I find that ridiculous.I didn't regard him as a legend before his second spell. Some of us hold that viewpoint too.
Wanting to leave, giving his best years and peak performances to another club and not actually being here that long once he was established as a top player (3 seasons, the 3rd reluctantly) is enough to say he wasn't for me. Coming back could actually have changed that if he'd have somehow led us to winning the league or similar. A glorious return like that would have been an amazing story.
If United were a less successful club than we are without as much storied history then he still could have been following the exact same kind of career path that he did, but we have so many other legends at United that I just can't fit him in. We're not a Bournemouth or Brighton.
Edit: Got to be a Madrid legend though on paper, although I don't 100% know what Real fans think of him.
Yes. https://www.realmadrid.com/en-US/the-club/history/football-legends/gareth-baleIs Bale considered a legend at RM? Surely not
I don't think it's unreasonable to say he's not a bonafide United legend. There was 100% an element of the fanbase who never warmed to him completely, I found him very unlikable, regardless of his talent (the huge majority of which we didn't see until he went to Madrid).Unless you're old enough to have seen Sir Bobby play he's the best player any of us have ever seen play for United. And we have three more league titles and a CL because of him that we would not have had without him. I'm sure you could find people who'd tell you that alone doesn't make him a legend but I find that ridiculous.
Surely would be.Is Bale considered a legend at RM? Surely not
His 07/08 season was definitely the best season I've ever seen a United player have individually. I thought he was more entertaining to watch in 06/07 which was up there too. 08/09 saw a bit of a decline while still being very good.I'd definitely call VDS a United legend. H
Unless you're old enough to have seen Sir Bobby play he's the best player any of us have ever seen play for United. And we have three more league titles and a CL because of him that we would not have had without him. I'm sure you could find people who'd tell you that alone doesn't make him a legend but I find that ridiculous.
Ronaldo is an Inter legend after signing for a world record fee, taking the piss out of Serie A every week, and winning them the UEFA cup in the days it was still a huge tournament.Brazilian Ronaldo is an interesting shout.
At PSV, Barcelona and Inter pre injury he was producing breathtaking performances, but didn't make enough appearances to really impact either club's history, and didn't win a league title at any of them.
Well regarded as an excellent striker for Madrid, but he was a different player by that point, not THE pre-injury R9, the outrageous greatest of all-time contender.
Good point.PSV legend
I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous claim. Were we going to play with 10 men if he wasn't playing?Unless you're old enough to have seen Sir Bobby play he's the best player any of us have ever seen play for United. And we have three more league titles and a CL because of him that we would not have had without him. I'm sure you could find people who'd tell you that alone doesn't make him a legend but I find that ridiculous.
I don't understand how he wouldn't be? Especially with how broad the word 'legend' is being used.Is Bale considered a legend at RM? Surely not
We absolutely love him thoughHardly, he has one decent season for us.
For what seemed like half the time he was there, Real Madrid fans were complaining about him draining their wage bill with his €400k a week salary or whatever it was, he also pissed them off with that 'Golf, Wales' thing. He only played 176 La Liga games in 8 seasons - average of 22 per season.I don't understand how he wouldn't be? Especially with how broad the word 'legend' is being used.
Yes, but what a season it was!Hardly, he has one decent season for us.
Psg legend for sure.Pedro Pauleta seems to fit this thread.
I'm sure I once read he was voted as PSG's all-time greatest player at some point by their fans, although I think it's fair to say he's been eclipsed by a few by now, and the club hasn't really been around that long compared to most. Still probably up there near the top though!Pedro Pauleta seems to fit this thread.
People seem to forget his early career there because of the whole Golf, Wales thing. He was superb for 4 seasons in a row (unless you compare him to Ronnie), then had a good without being great period with some highs, lows but always scoring and his output remained very good. Only from 19/20 onwards I think he really got sidelined. 3 goals in CL finals + got the assist for Ramos in the 1-1 with Atletico. The thing he did not have was the club/fan connection which is important but ultimately the least important thing.For what seemed like half the time he was there, Real Madrid fans were complaining about him draining their wage bill with his €400k a week salary or whatever it was, he also pissed them off with that 'Golf, Wales' thing. He only played 176 La Liga games in 8 seasons - average of 22 per season.
If you look at his individual honours on Wiki, he never made any teams of the year/players of the year - European, World, Spanish etc, the whole time he was at Real Madrid, his only one was best player at the 2018 Club World Cup. Considering he cost the clubs hundreds of millions in wages and a world record fee arriving.
By comparison, they have so many other great players, so I understand if he wasn't considered a legend. But two moments alone might get him over the line - Copa Del Rey speed burst goal and the Champions League final overhead kick, which is one of the greatest goals ever scored.
Anyway, Bale would be a Spurs legend, that's less in doubt.
Psg legend for sure.
Fair points. I know he was the first player to break Rocheteau record, so probably that might be enough for him to be part of their found memories at least during a couple of generations more.I'm sure I once read he was voted as PSG's all-time greatest player at some point by their fans, although I think it's fair to say he's been eclipsed by a few by now, and the club hasn't really been around that long compared to most. Still probably up there near the top though!
Ronaldo is absolutely a legend at Real Madrid, he's considered the 2nd best player in the club's history.Edit: Got to be a Madrid legend though on paper, although I don't 100% know what Real fans think of him.
Bale will be considered a legend once more time passes. Anyone who was in the Real Madrid teams that won 4 CLs will be a legend for the club in time, really.For what seemed like half the time he was there, Real Madrid fans were complaining about him draining their wage bill with his €400k a week salary or whatever it was, he also pissed them off with that 'Golf, Wales' thing. He only played 176 La Liga games in 8 seasons - average of 22 per season.
Not at all what I said.You’re claiming football is made up of emotion and statistics alone. Utter nonsense.
Pauleta is an absolute fan favorite. He isn't their best player ever but I don't think that there is anyone clearly above him from a sentimental standpoint.Fair points. I know he was the first player to break Rocheteau record, so probably that might be enough for him to be part of their found memories at least during a couple of generations more.
He was also better than people give him credit IMHO. Those out of the box first touch passes were a treat. Was a very vertical player, though.Pauleta is an absolute fan favorite. He isn't their best player ever but I don't think that there is anyone clearly above him from a sentimental standpoint.