Harry Wilson red card

[Pogue Mahone]

I’m sure it’s a very controversial red but anyone else think challenges like that should always result in a sending off?

Every time a player gets tripped there’s a risk of injury. That injury increases when they’re tripped unexpectedly. When someone has no chance of getting the ball and no intention of playing the ball wouldn’t it be in the spirit of the game to amend the rules to clarify that these scenarios are an automatic red?

Discuss.

 

[acnumber9]

I’m sure it’s a very controversial red but anyone else think challenges like that should always result in a sending off?

Every time a player gets tripped there’s a risk of injury. That injury increases when they’re tripped unexpectedly. When someone has no chance of getting the ball and no intention of playing the ball wouldn’t it be in the spirit of the game to amend the rules to clarify that these scenarios are an automatic red?

Discuss.

I do. It’s needlessly dirty and players think they can get away with it. I hate snidey, dirty fouls like that.

 

[Tarrou]

nah, never a red and these situations shouldn't be reds

game would become very difficult to referee because any trip where you're late would be a possible red

 

[TheReligion]

Never a straight red. Abysmal decision.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Anyone got a clip? @GifLord

 

[Sandikan]

I’m sure it’s a very controversial red but anyone else think challenges like that should always result in a sending off?

Every time a player gets tripped there’s a risk of injury. That injury increases when they’re tripped unexpectedly. When someone has no chance of getting the ball and no intention of playing the ball wouldn’t it be in the spirit of the game to amend the rules to clarify that these scenarios are an automatic red?

Discuss.

Yep.
Go in that hard with no attempt for the ball, and you deserve to be gone.

 

[Idxomer]

Yes, and no one would be rating Fernandinho anymore if they did.

 

[Cascarino]

I think it depends what you're asking. If it's "should" it be a red, that's a different question.

If it's "was" it a red, then never in a million years

 

[Baneofthegame]

There will be a lot of people getting sent off of this is the case, cynical fouls would be reds as well.

 

[KC91]

Have to look at the situation of the game. 3-0 for Denmark, 2 minutes left. No reason to go in for a challenge like that.

 

[hellhunter]

I think it depends what you're asking. If it's "should" it be a red, that's a different question.

If it's "was" it a red, then never in a million years

I would agree with that. An argument to be had wether situations like that should be a red card, but as things stand, nowhere near a red card in my book.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think it depends what you're asking. If it's "should" it be a red, that's a different question.

If it's "was" it a red, then never in a million years

My question is the former. I don’t think it was a red but I think the rules should be changed to make it one.

I think referees are able to tell the difference between a late, legitimate challenge and what Wilson did. I remember Shaw doing something similar for us. They’re rare enough though. Wouldn’t massively increase sending offs IMO.

 

[TheReligion]

Have to look at the situation of the game. 3-0 for Denmark, 2 minutes left. No reason to go in for a challenge like that.

No reason to send him off either

 

[PoTMS]

I’m sure it’s a very controversial red but anyone else think challenges like that should always result in a sending off?

Every time a player gets tripped there’s a risk of injury. That injury increases when they’re tripped unexpectedly. When someone has no chance of getting the ball and no intention of playing the ball wouldn’t it be in the spirit of the game to amend the rules to clarify that these scenarios are an automatic red?

Discuss.

Yep. Definite red. And should always be a red. The Welsh cnut tried to "do" him and failed. You try that on a pitch outside of professional football and you'll get knocked the feck out.

 

[WeePat]

I'm not sure I'd be giving reds for them. It depends entirely on the contact the tackling player makes. The one today wasn't a red for me though.

 

[groovyalbert]

Didn't Rooney get a similar one a few seasons ago? Basically trying to break up an attack and over-cooked it.

It happens, it was cynical, and ultimately, it doesn't matter.

 

[Withnail]

Never a red.

It's not like it was a potential leg-breaker where the player was lucky to avoid serious injury.

He goes to trip him and barely touches his boot.

 

[sewey89]

Reckless and petulant. Looked a red in real time, didn’t look one slowed down. I think it was the correct decision. Stupid tackle

 

[The Cat]

Yep. Definite red. And should always be a red. The Welsh cnut tried to "do" him and failed. You try that on a pitch outside of professional football and you'll get knocked the feck out.

You don't know the first thing about football if you think that was trying to "do" someone ffs.

 

[Cascarino]

My question is the former. I don’t think it was a red but I think the rules should be changed to make it one.

I think referees are able to tell the difference between a late, legitimate challenge and what Wilson did. I remember Shaw doing something similar for us. They’re rare enough though. Wouldn’t massively increase sending offs IMO.

I think there’s definitely an argument, this is anecdotal but as you mentioned in the op about the potential increase to injury in this kind of challenge, I was watching a Welsh prem game years ago, where a cynical challenge was made behind to ankle trip and the recovering player managed to fall awkwardly over his own knee, and as well doing serious damage to his knee, he also bloodied his own face by head butting hai knee. I think the complete lack of awareness of the challenge coming in gave him no time to react as he fell.

I think the tricky part is we have a lot of challenges each game where no real effort is made to get the ball, but just to stop the counter. I think players sliding in like today is rarer but In theory it’s the same as tripping a player who breaks past (though I guess not going to ground changes it a fair bit)

 

[Irwin99]

Didn't Rooney get a similar one a few seasons ago? Basically trying to break up an attack and over-cooked it.

It happens, it was cynical, and ultimately, it doesn't matter.

Said in the other thread there have been some similar tackles on Ronaldo when he was here. The one Joe Cole did was absolutely a red and could have broken Ronnie's ankle.

 

[PoTMS]

You don't know the first thing about football if you think that was trying to "do" someone ffs.

Sure, mate. He knew exactly what he was doing.

 

[The Cat]

Sure, mate. He knew exactly what he was doing.

That's nonsense.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I didn’t think it was a red at first. But looking back (although not seen again), yes, any tackle where you have zero intent to get the ball should be a red, it’s play that should be outlawed.

 

[PoTMS]

That's nonsense.

Spoken like someone who has never kicked a ball. Try that on a football pitch and see how long you'll be standing. Not long.

 

[VP89]

I didn’t think it was a red at first. But looking back (although not seen again), yes, any tackle where you have zero intent to get the ball should be a red, it’s play that should be outlawed.

Yeah I think he was being a dick too.

At first I thought it was crazy but I understand it now.

 

[The Hilton]

Sure, mate. He knew exactly what he was doing.

He did know exactly what he was doing - tripping the opposition player up. No attempt to "do him", not an intentional injury, nothing more than a trip.

Yellow card for stopping the attack, nowhere near a red. Terrible decision.

 

[The Cat]

Try that on a football pitch and see how long you'll be standing. Not long.

You must play in some very soft games.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

Never a red, petulant and deserved a yellow but a red is pathetically soft.

 

[PoTMS]

He did know exactly what he was doing - tripping the opposition player up. No attempt to "do him", not an intentional injury, nothing more than a trip.

Yellow card for stopping the attack, nowhere near a red. Terrible decision.

I should probably clarify what I mean by "do him". By that I mean there was no intention at all to play the ball. It was purely to harm the player, out of frustration, not necessarily injure him. But point stands, he easily could have.

 

[PoTMS]

You must play in some very soft games.

Yep, you've never played football.

 

[The Cat]

I should probably clarify what I mean by "do him". There was no intention at all to play the ball, it was purely to harm the player, not necessarily injure him.

You are talking some rubbish. It was to create a foul and stop play. There was no intention "to do" the player and no intention to harm or injure the player.

 

[The Cat]

Yep, you've never played football.

That's where you are also very wrong.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I think there’s definitely an argument, this is anecdotal but as you mentioned in the op about the potential increase to injury in this kind of challenge, I was watching a Welsh prem game years ago, where a cynical challenge was made behind to ankle trip and the recovering player managed to fall awkwardly over his own knee, and as well doing serious damage to his knee, he also bloodied his own face by head butting hai knee. I think the complete lack of awareness of the challenge coming in gave him no time to react as he fell.

I think the tricky part is we have a lot of challenges each game where no real effort is made to get the ball, but just to stop the counter. I think players sliding in like today is rarer but In theory it’s the same as tripping a player who breaks past (though I guess not going to ground changes it a fair bit)

I think you define it around whether or not the offending player had any chance at all, however slim, of playing the ball. Blocking runs is different, as that introduces too many grey areas. This would be when a player is kicked/tripped up. Which is extremely obvious when it happens.

 

[PoTMS]

You are talking some rubbish. It was to create a foul and stop play. There was no intention "to do" the player and no intention to harm or injure the player.

Stop play when you've just gone 3-0 down? You are truly deluded.

 

[hellhunter]

I think you define it around whether or not the offending player had any chance at all, however slim, of playing the ball. Blocking runs is different, as that introduces too many grey areas. This would be when a player is kicked/tripped up. Which is extremely obvious when it happens.

But isn't a shirt pull a similar foul? No attempt at the ball whatsoever

 

[The Cat]

Stop play when you've just gone 3-0 down? You are truly deluded.

You are crazy pal. It's like a contest of wits with an unarmed man. have you ever played the game at all?

I will leave you to it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

That's where you are also very wrong.

I think he has a point about risking a right hand if you trip someone up like that on Hackney Marshes. That sort of extreme shithousery really pisses people off.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

But isn't a shirt pull a similar foul? No attempt at the ball whatsoever

Zero risk of injuring anyone though.

 

[The Cat]

I think he has a point about risking a right hand if you trip someone up like that on Hackney Marshes. That sort of extreme shithousery really pisses people off.

Whatever suits his agenda