Flop ? He's our most successful signing post SAF. Falcao, Di Maria, Zlatan etc... all gone after 1 year. He stayed for 5 year and contributed. The most consistent attacking player we have.
Has Juan Mata been a flop?
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No, he like a number of other good players at the club have been let down by the dross they play with.
The only flop has been Ed Woodward.
The only flop has been Ed Woodward.
Yes a flop, but not Juan Mata's fault. A strategic failure on the part of the club: having no football strategy. See my post here for explanation: Joao Felix
A couple of seasons ago, United supporters were goading City supporters with quotes that Mata was better than Silva, which he probably was that season.
He's not the quickest - but I don't see the same criticisms of Matic, who since he came to United has definitely flopped and his runs make Mata look like Usain Bolt.
No far from it, he's played in teams that a basically not good enough, he was asked to be more aggressive he has been, asked to play wide his pace is not quick enough, his best position he plays behind the strikers he doesn't do often enough, because our CM is not good enough?
Technically one of the best we've had. Only one who can deliver a scoring freekick. Unlike Rashord ball smasher.
Flop no way. Games moved on a bit from his prime. Good luck to him if he goes or stays.
Technically one of the best we've had. Only one who can deliver a scoring freekick. Unlike Rashord ball smasher.
Flop no way. Games moved on a bit from his prime. Good luck to him if he goes or stays.
He flopped based on the expectations the fans had of what he could do, but most of that is the fault of the managers who managed him poorly.
He was much better for Chelsea
Some of those free-kicks he scored
Some of those free-kicks he scored
Given his price tag (record at the time), reputation and importance he has to be considered a disappointment. He was purchased to lead our team forward, become a crucial part of our attack for 5 years. Instead he's never nailed down a permanent role in the first XI, never produced the kind of numbers he did at Chelsea and was just 'okay'.
Flop might be a touch harsh, but I think we all expected far more from him.
Flop might be a touch harsh, but I think we all expected far more from him.
In 10 years time he will be remembered as a big flop in a United shirt. At the moment lots of people give him too much leeway because of being a good guy and running a blog.
The travesty is, we hardly ever used him in his correct position as number 10.
One of the biggest.
Verón won the league & look at how he’s viewed.
He’s one of the nicest guys to wear the shirt but he hasn’t delivered anything near what I expected.
He did give us Juan-field though.
Edit: I’ve had a think, Juan has won a few things. Maybe the fact I don’t like him as a player is clouding my judgement.
Verón won the league & look at how he’s viewed.
He’s one of the nicest guys to wear the shirt but he hasn’t delivered anything near what I expected.
He did give us Juan-field though.
Edit: I’ve had a think, Juan has won a few things. Maybe the fact I don’t like him as a player is clouding my judgement.
He didn't turn out the way I wanted, but a flop?
Not a flop. But his career with us have been bang average.
Agreed.
Yeah like Fred and Matic, utterly useless signings that were not what the club needed at all.
Average is way to nice for a player that cost $44 millions in 2014, a player that was once considered one of the best in the EPL and Chelsea's player of the year and hasn't even been able to nail a place in the starting XI in the most average/mediocre side of ManUtd in the least 30 years...
Absolutely and definately a flop.
Pretty much every player we've bought since 2013 has been both over-priced and under produced for us. I think it goes hand in hand with us playing like crap and being horribly coached and managed in that time period.
Seems harsh to single out one player who has barely been given 2 games in a row in what was clearly his best position at the time we signed him.
I think it would have been a lot different if the rumours of a swap deal for Rooney back in 2012 had've come off, because Juan spent too long playing second fiddle to a washed-up Wayne Rooney in his early seasons here.
Seems harsh to single out one player who has barely been given 2 games in a row in what was clearly his best position at the time we signed him.
I think it would have been a lot different if the rumours of a swap deal for Rooney back in 2012 had've come off, because Juan spent too long playing second fiddle to a washed-up Wayne Rooney in his early seasons here.
Wouldn't say he's been a flop for you, United just haven't played to his strengths like Chelsea did where he had 2 fantastic seasons with them.
Huge flop, but a nice guy so it feels a bit bad to criticise him constantly.
An absolute shadow of the player he was at Chelsea during his entire time at United.
He’s been a flop who has only been kept because others have been worse. He’s also absolutely useless now even as a number 10 and that new contract was a huge error.
yes
Who hasnt since Fergie?
100%
He was at one point out biggest ever transfer, I believe? And hes only had one exceptional game here.
Just a rubbish player.
He was at one point out biggest ever transfer, I believe? And hes only had one exceptional game here.
Just a rubbish player.
He wasn't a flop but he is now pretty much useless beyond being a body in the squad.
He's been managed by 4 managers that have been either out of their depth or wanted to play cautious save football whilst being shifted to the right for most of the time.
it's no wonder he has flopped just like every flair players have since fergie left, there's a clear pattern, why cant fans see it? we have yet to employ a competent manager that plays progressive attacking football.
it's no wonder he has flopped just like every flair players have since fergie left, there's a clear pattern, why cant fans see it? we have yet to employ a competent manager that plays progressive attacking football.
This, basically.
Unbelievable how many managers have played Mata who has the speed of a snail on the right wing. Just utterly pointless there. Should hav been moved on years ago if we weren’t gonna use him in his position
Awful, one of my least favorite players.
For me this hasnt even been a question since his 2nd or 3rd season with us. Obviously a flop
If hanging about longest is the only consideration, then yes, he's hung about.
Been dreadful for years though.
He was an average signing all these years. The longer he plays, he is tipping the scales heavily towards flop.
I dont think he was a flop but was it just me or did he never really feel like a united player??
He sums up ManUtd post SAF. Lacking courage to play the final pass and lacking end product.
In my eyes, yes he has.
£40m was a lot of money back in 2013. Juan Mata had been identified as a player Chelsea no longer felt was vital to their success, so they were willing to even sell him a PL rival. I don't think anyone, myself included, thought it was a bad move at the time of course but in hindsight we spent a (in context) big fecking sum of money on a player past his best who hasn't contributed much at all in the past six years. We then decided, upon seeing him being unable to run (literally at times), that the best course of action was to actually offer him a new contract.
And some people wonder why we are where we are as a football club.
£40m was a lot of money back in 2013. Juan Mata had been identified as a player Chelsea no longer felt was vital to their success, so they were willing to even sell him a PL rival. I don't think anyone, myself included, thought it was a bad move at the time of course but in hindsight we spent a (in context) big fecking sum of money on a player past his best who hasn't contributed much at all in the past six years. We then decided, upon seeing him being unable to run (literally at times), that the best course of action was to actually offer him a new contract.
And some people wonder why we are where we are as a football club.
Fellaini was a far better signing and would still be useful now. Mata has been shocking for years.
This.
I won't call him a flop, just kept way too long. Should have let him go and got a good replacement, but then again expecting Woodward to get so many deals done is delusional at this point.
If we're describing Mata as a flop then there should be another category several rungs below that for the likes of Fred and Di Maria, as the disparity between the service we got from their respective transfers is so big as to be not reasonably open for any sort of comparison whatsoever.
I mean Fred cost approx £52m pounds, has made 31 appearances, has barely played well in a single game since arriving. Di Maria cost approx £60m, lasted just one season, had only a couple of month of good form before leaving in rancorous enough circumstances that he still attracts the disdain of many United fans. These were real flops.
Mata on the other hand cost approx £37m, has been here for seven seasons, has made 227 appearances for the club, has scored 45 goals, scored a vital goal in an FA cup final, contributed goals and performances in many big games and has become very popular with United fans. He might have been a disappointment, sure, but an outright flop? Nah. He's been here too long, been too good a servant and won over the affections of the fans too thoroughly for that term to qualify imo.
I mean Fred cost approx £52m pounds, has made 31 appearances, has barely played well in a single game since arriving. Di Maria cost approx £60m, lasted just one season, had only a couple of month of good form before leaving in rancorous enough circumstances that he still attracts the disdain of many United fans. These were real flops.
Mata on the other hand cost approx £37m, has been here for seven seasons, has made 227 appearances for the club, has scored 45 goals, scored a vital goal in an FA cup final, contributed goals and performances in many big games and has become very popular with United fans. He might have been a disappointment, sure, but an outright flop? Nah. He's been here too long, been too good a servant and won over the affections of the fans too thoroughly for that term to qualify imo.
Yep
I can’t remember the last time he had a good game for Manchester United. Not even MOTM level. Just a solid 7/10. You’d go back at least to the van Gaal era. He’s definitely a flop.