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Probably. And that's alright. Good to show our strength from time to time.
Absolutely. The photos from May 2 when the match was postponed. The players were despondent. It wasn't fair on them.I agree with the overall principles of protest because it is needed to send a message.
But, the way it was done that was so disruptive to the point that it led to the initial game vs Liverpool to be postponed AND also led to us having 4 games in quick succession has in my opinion cost us.
I felt that the initial game vs Liverpool when it was supposed to be played, we were in a much better frame of mind. We then ended up not playing and had to play a second string vs Leicester which we lost, and now lost again vs Liverpool. I know it is not the entire explanation for our two losses, but I feel like it was an unnecessary spanner in the works. We have also now lost Maguire to injury.
People might think it is trivial but winning breeds confidence and having control of the little things makes a difference. I really worry about how the players will respond to today's defeat, but if we are not careful we might even lose the Europa League final.
Thoughts?
Disruption and chaos is how fans voice their opinions and concerns!!! It's really rather simple. Fans have been left out of the process which results in things like the Super League happening. The only agency fans have is to cause a significant disturbance. Do people not realise that we are up against millions of dollars in terms of finances - the fans have been sidelined for far too fecking long.Absolutely. The photos from May 2 when the match was postponed. The players were despondent. It wasn't fair on them.
Protests are fine, but to me it seemed like some were/are concerned with disruption and chaos rather than voicing their concerns and opinions. That is not okay and very dangerous.
Can't wait until they're all banned and only affluent and like-minded people are allowed to watch the Super League at Budweiser Old Trafford.
Well yeah, of course the protests negatively impact what happens on the pitch. Being smuggled into the stadium like some kind of clandestine operation, and trying to play a game of football with a horde of football fans outside the gates that they all know very well broke into the pitch the last time.I agree with the overall principles of protest because it is needed to send a message.
But, the way it was done that was so disruptive to the point that it led to the initial game vs Liverpool to be postponed AND also led to us having 4 games in quick succession has in my opinion cost us.
I felt that the initial game vs Liverpool when it was supposed to be played, we were in a much better frame of mind. We then ended up not playing and had to play a second string vs Leicester which we lost, and now lost again vs Liverpool. I know it is not the entire explanation for our two losses, but I feel like it was an unnecessary spanner in the works. We have also now lost Maguire to injury.
People might think it is trivial but winning breeds confidence and having control of the little things makes a difference. I really worry about how the players will respond to today's defeat, but if we are not careful we might even lose the Europa League final.
Thoughts?
I'm thinking this toocost us what exactly?
How did the protests cause Cavani to trip someone up so they landed on Maguire’s ankle?Cost us momentum. And injuries. I am worried about the Europa League final.
I’d say they all felt very safe once they were on the pitch and nothing the United players went through was any different to the opposition.Well yeah, of course the protests negatively impact what happens on the pitch. Being smuggled into the stadium like some kind of clandestine operation, and trying to play a game of football with a horde of football fans outside the gates that they all know very well broke into the pitch the last time.
So to answer the question this thread is asking: Yes the protests are negatively affecting the players and the teams results. The fans who protest seem ok with that.
I genuinely question how safe the players actually felt yesterday. And don't give me that "it's not the players we're angry at" schtick. No one can control thousands of people with emotions running high, we saw that the last time the same fans protested. The issue is not the peaceful ones, it's the rowdy cnuts.
We beat Villa so not sure why fans and protests didn’t cause us to lose that game then. Majority of players also had plenty of rest for Liverpool game and the game tonight, think time to just stop blaming fans now.Not won a game since the rescheduled Liverpool game. This is not good for momentum, which is key when you want to win stuff.
For those who are asking “how on earth did the fans’ protests cost us?” , the (potential) domino effects are as follows:
1. We had to play the Liverpool game on a fecking tight schedule. Some will blame the FA for giving us the schedule but feck me, we gave them that opportunity to feck us over by creating the situation in the first place. Of course they will feck us over. We should be smart enough not to give them that excuse. Trying to win something is not just about training and tactics etc2, but it is also about trying as much as possible to control the external variables , which in this case is the ridiculous situation of playing a tight schedule.
2. Playing too frequently means players get more muscle fatigue, and are more prone to injuries, and also mental fatigue which can lead to suboptimal decision making which in turn can lead to injuries.
3. Not winning three games in a row before a major final will play on the players’ minds. Winning at this level are often down to tightest of margins - which is why most winning managers are really anal about seemingly trivial stuff - the small things matter and tend to have a domino effect.
Even Ole mentioned it yesterday that he thought the protests have had an effect on the players. Dont get me wrong, it is not the protests per se (fans have a right to say what they want), but the manner in which it is done and the degree of disruption that it caused might have had an unintended consequence here.
What is the alternative then you might ask? A complete boycott of tickets and merchandise will probably be as effective as it will affect the Glazers’ pockets yet not get games called off.