edgecutter
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He was never good, most of us on the forum have stated that this was coming and yet everyone kept burying their heads in the sand because they thought it was better than Jose.
Pretty reductive argument and one that surely means you would have turned down Klopp.How can a manager that relegated Cardiff be this bad...is this a serious question?
You could excuse yourself from the thread seeing nobody is forcing you to make a post.Mods should delete this thread.
Or most importantly, lacks necessary skills to do to the job.We all know someone who's shit at his/her job. Normally it's because of laziness, lack of focus or just being a bit dim. But Ole doesn't look like he's lazy and you don't have to be a particularly bright individual to manage a football club - I mean most of them are ex-footballers.
How is he genuinely that bad?
Why should they?Mods should delete this thread.
More in jest. But Ole's CV is not in the same category as Klopp's pre Liverpool.Pretty reductive argument and one that surely means you would have turned down Klopp.
The place is cluttered with similar threads, what’s the point? I sympathise with the sentiment but it doesn’t need it’s own thread.You could excuse yourself from the thread seeing nobody is forcing you to make a post.
Why not make a new thread every time you want to post something? Why not make a thread called “mods delete this thread”?Why should they?
If everyone did that, we would have about 10 new threads every game. We already have like 5-6 threads to discuss Ole and the coaching staff in, so we dont really need any moreAllow people to create whatever threads they feel like.
Perhaps that is his way of dealing with the frustration.
There is a massive difference in managing a top team and any team from expected position 5 and below.We all know someone who's shit at his/her job. Normally it's because of laziness, lack of focus or just being a bit dim. But Ole doesn't look like he's lazy and you don't have to be a particularly bright individual to manage a football club - I mean most of them are ex-footballers.
How is he genuinely that bad?
I think there are a number of good points in there. We are hoping against hope that Ole will come good, as he's a club legend and a lovely guy, but we need the very best, and Ole isn't cutting it. The sad truth is none of the other top clubs would have given him the job. I hate to say this, but I think he's had his final chance; yet I don't think the Glazers will sack him, for whatever reason.There is a massive difference in managing a top team and any team from expected position 5 and below.
Take Benitez, he is a quality coach. With Everton he is expected to finish from 5th to 10th. That means that he can afford to have some silly dropped points during the season, some bad performances, can have some players that aren't quite up to the standard of Everton, some coaches that, similar to the players, might not be up to Everton's standard yet. All that means that from the manager through the coaching staff to each player, they don't need to have that absolutely top top athlete mentality of a true winner.
Now compare Everton to United.
We are expected to win every game, or at the very least to trouble every team. To win silverware. To drop only a few points in the season and to do so playing quality football. That means that our manager has to be the same caliber as Klopp or Guardiola or Tuchel. Our coaching staff needs to be best in class for every area of training. And our players need to be the very very top.
Ole has no pedigree as one of the best managers in the world. He has never managed at a high standard and has won nothing, even though he has some of the best players in the world.
He does not know how to be ruthless in removing players and coaching staff that are clearly not good enough to be at the best team in the world.
He does not know how to affect change in a game with the use of substitutes.
And he does not have the ability to reach the required standard any of these either.
We have all worked in a company where the work gets done well despite the manager being crap, but when you get a whole business that is run by idiots it goes bust.
Mark my words... if the Glazers, Ole and his coaching staff do not leave our club very soon, the future belongs to Liverpool, Chelsea, City and Newcastle.
It literally still is better than Jose here. The players in and everything. Next manager is gonna have a fine job here- considering we get a DM in JanuaryHe was never good, most of us on the forum have stated that this was coming and yet everyone kept burying their heads in the sand because they thought it was better than Jose.
There are plenty of bright individuals in football:We all know someone who's shit at his/her job. Normally it's because of laziness, lack of focus or just being a bit dim. But Ole doesn't look like he's lazy and you don't have to be a particularly bright individual to manage a football club - I mean most of them are ex-footballers.
How is he genuinely that bad?
Nice Post. I don't agree with everything you said but the "does not know how to affect change with the use of substitutes" line is something I agree with and it's a real worry for me.There is a massive difference in managing a top team and any team from expected position 5 and below.
Take Benitez, he is a quality coach. With Everton he is expected to finish from 5th to 10th. That means that he can afford to have some silly dropped points during the season, some bad performances, can have some players that aren't quite up to the standard of Everton, some coaches that, similar to the players, might not be up to Everton's standard yet. All that means that from the manager through the coaching staff to each player, they don't need to have that absolutely top top athlete mentality of a true winner.
Now compare Everton to United.
We are expected to win every game, or at the very least to trouble every team. To win silverware. To drop only a few points in the season and to do so playing quality football. That means that our manager has to be the same caliber as Klopp or Guardiola or Tuchel. Our coaching staff needs to be best in class for every area of training. And our players need to be the very very top.
Ole has no pedigree as one of the best managers in the world. He has never managed at a high standard and has won nothing, even though he has some of the best players in the world.
He does not know how to be ruthless in removing players and coaching staff that are clearly not good enough to be at the best team in the world.
He does not know how to affect change in a game with the use of substitutes.
And he does not have the ability to reach the required standard any of these either.
We have all worked in a company where the work gets done well despite the manager being crap, but when you get a whole business that is run by idiots it goes bust.
Mark my words... if the Glazers, Ole and his coaching staff do not leave our club very soon, the future belongs to Liverpool, Chelsea, City and Newcastle.
Chelsea gave Super Frankie the job on a permanent basis straight off the bat. We only gave Ole the job after he had impressed on an interim basis.I think there are a number of good points in there. We are hoping against hope that Ole will come good, as he's a club legend and a lovely guy, but we need the very best, and Ole isn't cutting it. The sad truth is none of the other top clubs would have given him the job. I hate to say this, but I think he's had his final chance; yet I don't think the Glazers will sack him, for whatever reason.
It’s not better than Jose though. Less points per game, two less trophies, worse football, and more money spent.It literally still is better than Jose here. The players in and everything. Next manager is gonna have a fine job here- considering we get a DM in January