How would you fit SAF all-time players into Amorim's 3-4-3?

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Since the disaster of the season is over and Amorim is staying, I thought we might as well have some fun with seeing how folks on CAF would fit players into Amorim's 3-4-3 using the players that have ever played for SAF. For me it would be interesting in particular to see how people would place SAF's wingers like Giggs, Becks, Ronaldo etc. into a team that utilises wingbacks rather than traditional wingers.

Please refrain from putting Ronaldo in the CF position - whilst he subsequently became the world best in that position at Real he has never played in that position for SAF.

My Selection

GK -
Schmeichel. Close call between him and VdS, but Schmikes edges it in terms of his ability to command the box, scream at defenders who slack off, claim crosses, and his missile-guided long throws.
LCB - Paul McGrath. I honestly think he would have been EPL and Ireland's Baresi had he never come into contact with alcohol. Graceful and cultured on the ball, decisive and aggressive in tackles, dominant in the air, can pick a pass.
CCB - Jaap Stam. It was hard to decide between him and Rio for the CB spot. Ultimately Stam edges it as for being the colossal presence he brings to the box, his game-reading and his ability to always pick the right position to stop opposition attacks.
RCB - Rio Ferdinand. Has more. athleticism than Jaap Stam and would be a great complement to him in RCB.
LWB - Dennis Irwin. I love Patrice Evra, and I will be happy with either at LWB, I just think Irwin is the more complete player.
RWB - Antonio Valencia. Becks have a great engine, and would absolutely make much better modern wingback than a pretender like TAA, but Antonio for me wins for his raw power, athleticism, and pace, something which Beckham lacks.
CM1 - Roy Keane - always gives his all, intimidates the shit out of oppositions, and a great passer of ball which elevates him to another plane over other MF hard men like Vinny Jones or Joey Barton. Roy Keane in his prime was an absolute beast and one of the world best in the position.
CM2 - Bryan Robson. Captain Marvel, the ultimate box-to-box midfielder; great engine, tackles, passing, shoot, dribbling, technique, he's got it all.
LCF - Giggs. I was thinking Van Persie but ultimately my sentimentality wins.
CF - Rooney - It was either him or RvN, in the end it was choosing someone who is the ultimate fox-in-box, or someone has a more rounded skillset and I think Rooney would thrive more than RvN in Amorim's 3-4-3.
RCF - Ronaldo - Don't need to say too much for this one. I don't think other options even came close.

Other close calls:
Cantona - My all time favourite Man Utd player, but I don't see a place for him in a 3-4-3 system.
Scholes - Legendary ability to pick a pass, sneak into box or hit it long but it was either him or Robson. Scholes' tackling just make him a slightly less desirable option in my opinion.
Vidic
Henrik Larsson
Carrick
 
If you're limiting where we can decide to put a player in the lineup because they have never played there under Sir Alex, well, that defeats the whole game.

Cmon now

CF - Ronaldo
Veron - Rossi
Eagles - Djemba2x - Irwin - O'Shea
Wes Brown - Pique - Jones
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The only time I remember SAF playing 3 at the back, Carrick was in there and I think he ended the game with Berbatov there. Even in a defensive formation he was all about the attack.
 
Van Der Sar

Evra
Rio
Stam
Vidic
Irwin

Keane
Scholes

Rooney
Cantona

Ronaldo

It's a bit tough as Ronaldo at United in his winger days doesn't really fit the formation but didn't want to leave him out. Otherwise probably Ruud goes in.
 
I think if Scholes had played as the advanced #10's he would have scored a lot and probably been in the conversation for one of the greatest midfielders of all time. Think like an Inestia role for him.
 
-----Schmeichel-----
-----Rio-------Vidic-----Stam-----
Beckham-----Scholes----------Keane--------------Giggs
-----Rooney-------------------Ronaldo-----
-----Cantona-----
- With that back three you could make the wingbacks play more aggressively
- Scholes and Beckham would provide a threat via long balls, Giggs and Ronaldo would do the same via dribbling
- Rooney would thrive in that position, could drop into the midfield to help out if needed.
- Could replace Cantona with RVP, hard to choose.

Didn't put a massive amount of thought into it was just what first came to mind.
 
Valencia would be one of the best wingbacks ever
He would destroy the ankles of every fullback or centerback with his famous crosses.

But seriously, he would actually. Such an athletic player that would be perfect for in today's team.
 
Going a bit offbeat with some of these picks.

Schmeichel
Keane-Ferdinand-Silvestre
Beckham-Scholes-Carrick-Sharpe
Rooney-----Yorke
Ruud​

Keane as RCB, played at the back very very rarely but Amorim likes his CBs to step up, could possibly suit him. Got the engine to get out to the flank when needed/good open play tackling ability when dragged out wide too. As our CBs will have the ball a lot and one of the big downsides can be that they don't do anything with it he's an upgrade on most defenders with the ball at his feet. Short, crisp passes into the midifeld from there to give forward momentum.

Beckham had a lot of stamina/worked hard. Can always tell him to cross from deeper and hold slightly if we're worried he won't get back in time. Even then he has a younger Keane's mobility to cover.

Silvestre because he played LB and CB so LCB is sort of a hybrid of the two.

Sharpe because he started as a full back before becoming a winger, even played a bit of CM at times as well so could tuck into the middle a little here and there. Random shout out to Quinton Fortune of all people, I think he's functional there for the same reasons.

A bit of an Un-Amorim like midfield 2 but I don't care, playing different.

Yorke over Cantona I'm not even sure why, it's not like Eric wasn't an amazing link player and he's my all-time United hero. Just something about Yorke, think he fits here in a modern setup.

RvP as a backup to RvN. Saha not an awful option either but behind these two for certain.
 
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Beckham, Scholes and Neville played in a back three under Hoddle and were quite good at it.
 
In the modern era, a striker like Van Nistelrooy who dominates the 8 yard box would be invaluable. The entire game model today is based on getting the ball across the 8 yard box or cutting it back there, and we had one of the best of all time at it.
 
Van Der Sar

Ferdinand
Pique
Vidic

Giggs
Carrick
Keane
Beckham

Scholes
Rooney
Ruud

This is the best I think I could come up with, I went for Pique at the back for his on the ball play and his lack of pace can be covered in this formation
 
The only time I remember SAF playing 3 at the back, Carrick was in there and I think he ended the game with Berbatov there. Even in a defensive formation he was all about the attack.

It was probably during the period when all our CBs were injured so he used the likes of Carrick and Fletcher there and added an extra body.
 
RCB - Rio Ferdinand. Has more. athleticism than Jaap Stam and would be a great complement to him in RCB.
Do you really think Rio was more athletic? Stam was quicker and stronger for me, (assuming that's what you mean by athleticism), whereas Rio was more cultured. Both unbelievably good players though, I'd like to have seen those two play together - between them they had pretty much everything you'd want in a centre-back.
 
In the modern era, a striker like Van Nistelrooy who dominates the 8 yard box would be invaluable. The entire game model today is based on getting the ball across the 8 yard box or cutting it back there, and we had one of the best of all time at it.

RVN just didn't score enough from outside the 19 and a half yard box, for me.
 
Ok I’ll bite, in a 3-4-2-1

Schmeichel; Rio, Vidic, McGrath; Beckham, Keane, Robson, Evra; Rooney, Giggs; RVN

Usually I’d include the likes of Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Ronaldo and Cantona in my all time team of players that player under Sir Alex but then I would use 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 rather than a 3-4-2-1.
 
Since the disaster of the season is over and Amorim is staying, I thought we might as well have some fun with seeing how folks on CAF would fit players into Amorim's 3-4-3 using the players that have ever played for SAF. For me it would be interesting in particular to see how people would place SAF's wingers like Giggs, Becks, Ronaldo etc. into a team that utilises wingbacks rather than traditional wingers.

Please refrain from putting Ronaldo in the CF position - whilst he subsequently became the world best in that position at Real he has never played in that position for SAF.

My Selection

GK -
Schmeichel. Close call between him and VdS, but Schmikes edges it in terms of his ability to command the box, scream at defenders who slack off, claim crosses, and his missile-guided long throws.
LCB - Paul McGrath. I honestly think he would have been EPL and Ireland's Baresi had he never come into contact with alcohol. Graceful and cultured on the ball, decisive and aggressive in tackles, dominant in the air, can pick a pass.
CCB - Jaap Stam. It was hard to decide between him and Rio for the CB spot. Ultimately Stam edges it as for being the colossal presence he brings to the box, his game-reading and his ability to always pick the right position to stop opposition attacks.
RCB - Rio Ferdinand. Has more. athleticism than Jaap Stam and would be a great complement to him in RCB.
LWB - Dennis Irwin. I love Patrice Evra, and I will be happy with either at LWB, I just think Irwin is the more complete player.
RWB - Antonio Valencia. Becks have a great engine, and would absolutely make much better modern wingback than a pretender like TAA, but Antonio for me wins for his raw power, athleticism, and pace, something which Beckham lacks.
CM1 - Roy Keane - always gives his all, intimidates the shit out of oppositions, and a great passer of ball which elevates him to another plane over other MF hard men like Vinny Jones or Joey Barton. Roy Keane in his prime was an absolute beast and one of the world best in the position.
CM2 - Bryan Robson. Captain Marvel, the ultimate box-to-box midfielder; great engine, tackles, passing, shoot, dribbling, technique, he's got it all.
LCF - Giggs. I was thinking Van Persie but ultimately my sentimentality wins.
CF - Rooney - It was either him or RvN, in the end it was choosing someone who is the ultimate fox-in-box, or someone has a more rounded skillset and I think Rooney would thrive more than RvN in Amorim's 3-4-3.
RCF - Ronaldo - Don't need to say too much for this one. I don't think other options even came close.

Other close calls:
Cantona - My all time favourite Man Utd player, but I don't see a place for him in a 3-4-3 system.
Scholes - Legendary ability to pick a pass, sneak into box or hit it long but it was either him or Robson. Scholes' tackling just make him a slightly less desirable option in my opinion.
Vidic
Henrik Larsson
Carrick

Beckham lacked a little pace, but in no way whatsoever did he lack athleticism. He's so far ahead of Valencia, even pre leg break Valencia, it shouldn't be close. I'd also have Kanchelskis, Giggs and Neville as miles ahead of Valencia for that role.

The rest of the team I'd agree with. That back 3 would be amazing. As much as I like Vidic, there'd be no need for a stopper type like him with the physicality the other 3 bring.

I'd have a hard time dropping any of the central 4, but a team without Scholes makes my heart bleed. But he could, at different times in his career, have played all 4 of those positions brilliantly. So he'd be playing more often than not.

Actually, with the prowess of that back 3, I'd probably go with something like this instead.

GK - Schmeichel
LCB - McGrath
CCB - Stam
RCB - Ferdinand
LWB - Giggs
RWB - Becks
CM1 - Keane
CM2 - Robson
LCF - Scholes
CF - Rooney
RCF - Ronaldo

For fun, I'm pretty sure this 2nd 11 would also walk the league

GK - VDS
LCB - Pallister
CCB - Bruce
RCB - Vidic
LWB - Irwin
RWB - Neville
CM1 - Carrick
CM2 - Hargreaves
LCF - RVP
CF - RVN
RCF - Cantona
 
Surprised no-ones putting Irwin on the left side of the three-man defence, think he would be perfect there, and leave room for Evra as the ideal LWB. Would probably pick Valencia over Becks for RWB due to his pace and ability to challenge on the outside.

In general the problem is that it’s really difficult to include two of our best ever players, Giggs and Ronaldo, in an effective way. Which is why it would have been a terrible formation for SAF (as well as Amorim).
 
GK: VDS
LCB: Heinze
CCB: Vidic
RCB: Brown
LWB: Irwin
CM: Keane
CM: Ince
RWB: Beckham
LCF: Rooney
CF: RVN
RCF: RVP
 
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-----Schmeichel-----
-----Rio-------Vidic-----Stam-----
Beckham-----Scholes----------Keane--------------Giggs
-----Rooney-------------------Ronaldo-----
-----Cantona-----
- With that back three you could make the wingbacks play more aggressively
- Scholes and Beckham would provide a threat via long balls, Giggs and Ronaldo would do the same via dribbling
- Rooney would thrive in that position, could drop into the midfield to help out if needed.
- Could replace Cantona with RVP, hard to choose.

Didn't put a massive amount of thought into it was just what first came to mind.
Hell yes
 
Beckham lacked a little pace, but in no way whatsoever did he lack athleticism. He's so far ahead of Valencia, even pre leg break Valencia, it shouldn't be close. I'd also have Kanchelskis, Giggs and Neville as miles ahead of Valencia for that role.

The rest of the team I'd agree with. That back 3 would be amazing. As much as I like Vidic, there'd be no need for a stopper type like him with the physicality the other 3 bring.

I'd have a hard time dropping any of the central 4, but a team without Scholes makes my heart bleed. But he could, at different times in his career, have played all 4 of those positions brilliantly. So he'd be playing more often than not.

Actually, with the prowess of that back 3, I'd probably go with something like this instead.

GK - Schmeichel
LCB - McGrath
CCB - Stam
RCB - Ferdinand
LWB - Giggs
RWB - Becks
CM1 - Keane
CM2 - Robson
LCF - Scholes
CF - Rooney
RCF - Ronaldo

For fun, I'm pretty sure this 2nd 11 would also walk the league

GK - VDS
LCB - Pallister
CCB - Bruce
RCB - Vidic
LWB - Irwin
RWB - Neville
CM1 - Carrick
CM2 - Hargreaves
LCF - RVP
CF - RVN
RCF - Cantona
Playing against a front 3 of van Persie, Cantona, and RVN would be absolute hell.
 
----------------------Van Der Sar
----------------Rio-------Stam---Vidic
Valencia----Keane---Carrick-------Giggs
-------------Scholes--------Rooney
-----------------------Van Persie
 
Giggs and Beckham have to be the WB’s. Both have elite engines to track back but also will create loads from those spots. I think your CM’s are nailed on with Keane and Robson. Front 3 for me is probably Ronaldo, Rooney, Cantona and let them interchange at well. I’d also tuck in Irwin and have him at LCB with Stam and Rio as the other two.
 
---------------------VDS
-------Vida--------Stam-------Rio
Valencia------------------------------Evra
------------Keane------Scholes
------------Rooney----Ronaldo
-----------------Cantona
 
Schmeichel
Neville Stam Heinze
Beckham Scholes Keane Giggs
Rooney Cantona
Ronaldo

I went for Neville and Heinze over Rio and Vidic as I find in a back 3 that fullbacks defend the wide spaces better and of cause add additional threat going forward with their crossing.
Another player I thought about picking was Lee Sharpe for LWB
 
Loads of hard choices but probably go for:

Schmeichel

Stam ——— Ferdinand ———Vidic

Beckham ——— Keane —— Scholes ——— Giggs

Rooney ———— Cantona

Ronaldo

Subs: VDS; Brown, Pallister, Irwin; Robson, Carrick; Kanchelskis, Cole, Van Persie
 
The only time I remember SAF playing 3 at the back, Carrick was in there and I think he ended the game with Berbatov there. Even in a defensive formation he was all about the attack.

If United were chasing the game, he might take off one of the full backs and put on a midfielder or forward, so three at the back

If United then scored a couple of times, he'd take someone further forward off and put another full back on

Or I can vaguely remember beating Charlton with a 3-3-3 formation
 
-------------------Van Der Sar------------------
----------Rio---------Vidic---------Stam------
Beckham---Keane-Scholes----Giggs
-------Ronaldo----------------Cantona-----
-----------------------Rooney--------------------
 
VDS
Rio Vidic Stam
Beckham Keane Scholes Giggs
Ronaldo Cantona
Rooney​
 
-------------------Schmeichel------------------
----------Rio---------Stam--------Irwin------
Beckham---Robson---Keane--Giggs
-------Ronaldo----------------Cantona-----
-----------------------Rooney--------------------

Edit: Great mind, @Valencia Shin Crosses
 
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