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Then his bias is fair game to be called out?That is the nature of opinion pieces, which is what his commentaries are.
Then his bias is fair game to be called out?That is the nature of opinion pieces, which is what his commentaries are.
Yeah, but there is such a thing as whether an opinion expressed is reasonable or not. There's a difference between an opinion piece arguing, say, that Bielsa is hurting Leeds' results by playing with too much acceptance of risk, and an opinion piece arguing that Bielsa is a useless, overrated wanker.That is the nature of opinion pieces, which is what his commentaries are.
Yep. The point is starting a debate and it triggers a lot of well thought out pieces in this very thread.Then his bias is fair game to be called out?
The good thing about his pieces is that they are pretty easy to counter, which has been done well by several posters in this very thread. Anyways, the point was that he isn|t obliged to balance in an opinion piece as he would be if he was reporting news.Yeah, but there is such a thing as whether an opinion expressed is reasonable or not. There's a difference between an opinion piece arguing, say, that Bielsa is hurting Leeds' results by playing with too much acceptance of risk, and an opinion piece arguing that Bielsa is a useless, overrated wanker.
YesThen his bias is fair game to be called out?
Heres the problem with opinion pieces these days, especially in politics but also in other walks of life, they are quite often taken for fact and the line is often wilfully blurred by the opinion giver.That is the nature of opinion pieces, which is what his commentaries are.
Yeah I thought he did well without doing anything spectacular, especially in the first half.I agree, after reading comments on here I was pleasantly surprised when I got to watch the match on Saturday evening.
This is true. Wilson had another entirely negative take on Uniteds 4-1 win in yesterday's Observer, unbalanced to the point of parody. It amazes me that there are posters who suggest that it's a case of over sensitivity for us to call out these ABU merchants.Heres the problem with opinion pieces these days, especially in politics but also in other walks of life, they are quite often taken for fact and the line is often wilfully blurred by the opinion giver.
Of course there was more to it. The reasons I stated in the post you replied too are a good starting point.
Those points are valid. How much part they played in the club's considerations, we'll never know.Its not just the morale boost, its also
- Massive, massive shirt sales and other revenue connected to us signing him. I am pretty confident when the dust have settled, the club would have gained a significant net gain from signing him
- Hes a model pro. Having him around is going to be huge for the younger players
- Him going to City would be a huge blow to the clubs status.
- Despite his age, hes still in peak physical condition and hes still a fecking good playe
People are more than welcome to question the signing. At the face of it, signing a 36 year old attacker when we are stacked with attackers and desperately need midfilders seems daft. But looking at it that way throws all context out the window and Wilson knows damn well what Ronaldo means for the club and for the fansThose points are valid. How much part they played in the club's considerations, we'll never know.
Even though Ronaldo's exit from Juve has been talked about throughout the summer, there seemed to be nothing to connect him to United until it looked like he was going to City - and then it took us about five minutes to close the deal. So I can see why some people would wonder for the actual reasons behind this signing. And why there could be vaildity in what Wilson is saying, even if United fans are incapable of accepting people having opinions that don't put United on a pedestal.
Simply seems you’re sticking up for Wilson here because you agree with him to be honest.Those points are valid. How much part they played in the club's considerations, we'll never know.
Even though Ronaldo's exit from Juve has been talked about throughout the summer, there seemed to be nothing to connect him to United until it looked like he was going to City - and then it took us about five minutes to close the deal. So I can see why some people would wonder for the actual reasons behind this signing. And why there could be vaildity in what Wilson is saying, even if United fans are incapable of accepting people having opinions that don't put United on a pedestal.
I feel sorry for Wilson. Has to be shit being a Sunderland fanSimply seems you’re sticking up for Wilson here because you agree with him to be honest.
If Ronaldo had signed for City and scored 2 goals, he would be writing:Its not just the morale boost, its also
Wilsons piece is dripping with bitterness, mental gymnastics and wild assumptions. Its not like we were on the brink of signing Kimmich and then opted for Ronaldo instead.
- Massive, massive shirt sales and other revenue connected to us signing him. I am pretty confident when the dust have settled, the club would have gained a significant net gain from signing him
- Hes a model pro. Having him around is going to be huge for the younger players
- Him going to City would be a huge blow to the clubs status.
- Despite his age, hes still in peak physical condition and hes still a fecking good player
Also, in an alternate reality where Ronaldo signs for City and scores a brace in his debut, you can bet you have ABU hacks like Wilson writing a piece about how we are fools for letting one of our biggest legends go to our local rivals and how it firmly establishes us as "the other club" in Manchester
Me too. Much better. If he keeps improving (and he most definitely will) I’m happy. It’ll all fall into place soon enoughThought Sancho looked good.
No, that's true enough. He's not breaking any rules of journalism or anything like that. But you'd think the editors at the Guardian might feel that the credibility of their publication would be better served by insisting on a higher standard of argument in these pieces.The good thing about his pieces is that they are pretty easy to counter, which has been done well by several posters in this very thread. Anyways, the point was that he isn|t obliged to balance in an opinion piece as he would be if he was reporting news.
Like any paper the Guardian only cares about page views and clicks. I imagine they get tonnes from every piece he writes about United, especially with him being so anti-United. ABUs will love to read his pieces at affirms their belief, and United fans will read it to see how much of an arsehole he is. They can then sell adverts based on how many impressions he gets. Journalistic integrity last about as long as it takes to make more money.No, that's true enough. He's not breaking any rules of journalism or anything like that. But you'd think the editors at the Guardian might feel that the credibility of their publication would be better served by insisting on a higher standard of argument in these pieces.
I don't think that's true. They're a quality paper. No quality paper stays a quality paper if they only care about page views and clicks. It's not hard to tell the ones who work that way from the ones who don't. In the case of The Guardian, it probably also helps that they are unique in the UK in not needing to turn a profit (which they don't). Apparently they're financially supported by a huge legacy that allows them to operate on a different basis. No pay-wall for the online edition, for example. And unlike others who don't have that (such as the diabolical MEN), that doesn't mean a blizzard of pop-up advertisements either.Like any paper the Guardian only cares about page views and clicks. I imagine they get tonnes from every piece he writes about United, especially with him being so anti-United. ABUs will love to read his pieces at affirms their belief, and United fans will read it to see how much of an arsehole he is. They can then sell adverts based on how many impressions he gets. Journalistic integrity last about as long as it takes to make more money.
I strongly suspect that this is bang on!!! Could well imagine him (or someone of his ilk) writing that!If Ronaldo had signed for City and scored 2 goals, he would be writing:
This feels like another milestone in Manchester City's relentless pursuit of becoming the best club in the world, let alone Manchester. The player who left United as soon as he won the BallondOr, returns to establish their rivals as the best club in England. Where he would have been expected to light up the theater of dreams, now the United fans must be distraught to see his GOATness grace the Etihad. Surely this is a monumental failure on the part of United and Solsjkaer.
The only reason you need is he is the GOAT and costs less than £30M.Those points are valid. How much part they played in the club's considerations, we'll never know.
Even though Ronaldo's exit from Juve has been talked about throughout the summer, there seemed to be nothing to connect him to United until it looked like he was going to City - and then it took us about five minutes to close the deal. So I can see why some people would wonder for the actual reasons behind this signing. And why there could be vaildity in what Wilson is saying, even if United fans are incapable of accepting people having opinions that don't put United on a pedestal.
I have long discussed Ronnie’s return with my lad who was desperate to see him back. I probably felt he was maybe on the downward slope but went it actually happened, I was surprised at how delighted I was. You can’t discount that morale boost as you say.Its not just the morale boost, its also
Wilsons piece is dripping with bitterness, mental gymnastics and wild assumptions. Its not like we were on the brink of signing Kimmich and then opted for Ronaldo instead.
- Massive, massive shirt sales and other revenue connected to us signing him. I am pretty confident when the dust have settled, the club would have gained a significant net gain from signing him
- Hes a model pro. Having him around is going to be huge for the younger players
- Him going to City would be a huge blow to the clubs status.
- Despite his age, hes still in peak physical condition and hes still a fecking good player
Also, in an alternate reality where Ronaldo signs for City and scores a brace in his debut, you can bet you have ABU hacks like Wilson writing a piece about how we are fools for letting one of our biggest legends go to our local rivals and how it firmly establishes us as "the other club" in Manchester
They are scared of what Ole is building that's why. Pretty soon Ole's team won't even need a manager to winDoes Ole need to win a trophy? Yes, every Man utd manager does.
But this strange idea that Ole should be sacked if he doesnt win a trophy this season is bizarre. There are so many factors and context, what if we had an amazing season, reached CL finals, and 2nd in league by 1 point? Obviously if we have shown marked improvements over the last season, he should be sacked. He should only be if he regresses, or we dont show any improvement.
The trophy binary is stupid. Its just coming from ABUs who are scared of United again, and want to mount pressure on Ole. The agenda is so obvious.
I believe I said I agree with him in my first post.Simply seems you’re sticking up for Wilson here because you agree with him to be honest.
And that seems to sway you on judging if he is extremely biased against Ole or not. There’s elements of the ABU media that I may agree with but it doesn’t stop me realising how incredibly harsh and unrelenting these very same media outlets are towards my club.I believe I said I agree with him in my first post.
Wilson so far in 2021 -And as a football writer he's entitled to judge things without emotion and with logic.
Cristiano Ronaldo held Juventus back: just what do Manchester United see in him?He may have lost a battle of fine margins with Romelu Lukaku in Seville, but at 36 Ronaldo has shown in this tournament he is still an asset to Portugal and beyond
Returning superstar will certainly score goals, but his chief use at Old Trafford will be as a celebrity content provider
Juve had won seven scudetti in a row before Ronaldo arrived. They won it again in their first two seasons with him, but finished fourth last year. He scored 81 league goals in three seasons, but Ronaldo made Juventus a worse football team.
They won 7 before he got there, won another two with him and then came fourth.Less than a month ago
Cristiano Ronaldo held Juventus back: just what do Manchester United see in him?
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ust-what-is-that-manchester-united-see-in-him
Juve have played 3 games this season and are currently sitting on 1 point.
Let's just say Ronaldo did hold Juve back. Would his exit mean they just return to their 2018 selves right away?Juve have played 3 games this season and are currently sitting on 1 point.
And just because people disagree with it doesn't mean it's not fair.And that seems to sway you on judging if he is extremely biased against Ole or not. There’s elements of the ABU media that I may agree with but it doesn’t stop me realising how incredibly harsh and unrelenting these very same media outlets are towards my club.
Just because you may agree with it doesn’t mean it’s fair
Kinda agree with this.When Wilson appears on the Guardian podcast he constantly speaks about his distain and disillusion with modern football and how the teams with money buy the best players and therefore win the most games. He hates all the oil clubs and teams like United who can essentially buy players that his Sunderland (and other teams) can’t. He’s not just ABU at this point he’s anti football.
That's a fair point but when I heard Wilson on the two podcast episodes particularly going on about Ronaldo he just didn't really make any sense. Calling Ronaldo moving to Juve 'the worst transfer in their history' was totally nonsensical, and he also went in on him for not winning the CL while there. Ronaldo obviously didn't help them get over the line, but making out he was the sole reason they didn't win league last season / did poor in the CL with him / made the entire team worse was mental. Maybe, just maybe factors such as recruiting a totally rookie manager like Pirlo / not recruiting the right type of players rinsing themselves by paying a fortune in salaries for Ramsey and others also played into the reason Juve have got worse, while Inter & AC and Atalanta have all improved over the last few years.Let's just say Ronaldo did hold Juve back. Would his exit mean they just return to their 2018 selves right away?
Obviously it's a little more complicated than that. The team has changed, and also lost their top scorer in the last moments of their transfer window. Their struggles right now don't mean his transfer was a great success.
People aren’t picking it out because they disagree, they’re picking it out because it follows a pattern of Wilson constantly shining a negative light on Utd?And just because people disagree with it doesn't mean it's not fair.
But it doesn't really work in this thread.
It is but I'm just putting the same amount of effort in as Wilson. Wilson current argument(Again in the euro's he was arguing that Ronaldo is still an asset to Portugal and beyond)is Juve losing Seria A top goal scorer is a positive outcome because the player was holding the team back which is why they finished 4th(Wilson doesn't mention the insane management situation last season at Juve). Also it doesn't help Wilson argument that Juve failed have to score in 2 of their 3 games this season.Let's just say Ronaldo did hold Juve back. Would his exit mean they just return to their 2018 selves right away?
Obviously it's a little more complicated than that. The team has changed, and also lost their top scorer in the last moments of their transfer window. Their struggles right now don't mean his transfer was a great success.
Thank youIf Ronaldo had signed for City and scored 2 goals, he would be writing:
This feels like another milestone in Manchester City's relentless pursuit of becoming the best club in the world, let alone Manchester. The player who left United as soon as he won the BallondOr, returns to establish their rivals as the best club in England. Where he would have been expected to light up the theater of dreams, now the United fans must be distraught to see his GOATness grace the Etihad. Surely this is a monumental failure on the part of United and Solsjkaer.
All these years we have laughed at RAWK, and now we've become them.They are scared of what Ole is building that's why. Pretty soon Ole's team won't even need a manager to win