I see the 'ABU' Media are back in full voice...

[Number32]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ard-admits-like-VAR-Chelseas-favour-once.html

Lampard is doing a Benitez esque "Facts" interview. Moaning about VAR was always in United's favour.

 

[Dante]

That's the entire post-match coverage from BT.

It's crazy to think that it's anti-United. There are loads of pro-United talking points.

 

[Skeezix]

Something I really don’t understand is how noone are talking about the fact that Southampton should’ve had three red cards. After the game when I saw no discussion of it I thought I had got it wrong, but I don’t think I have.
1. The Romeu foul.
2. Stephens elbow straight in Martials head, he was already on a yellow and should’ve had another.
3. When Bruno was kicked and the ball wasn’t anywhere near, it was clearly just out of pure frustration because the Southampton player had just lost the ball. Can’t remember who it was, but if Soyuncu got a red for kicking a player out of anger then this should be red as well.

This sums it up. The match pundit on the TV channel I'm watching were Andy Townsend and one other guy. They kept on harping about the VAR offside (when we had Rashford's goal taken away in the same fashion few weeks back) and Lindelof non-penalty decision.

As another poster said above, the American pundits, commentary is much better. On the few occasions I've watched NBCSN sports, the commentary and half time comments are quite good and fair.

These pundits have some semblance of legitimacy in Non-European, Non-American countries only because the Scottish, Irish, and English accents is associated with Football when the Premier League took off on TV worldwide. (Even commentary with American accents sounds off to me on 1st listen . )
Even then, I would prefer they don't show UK pundits and commentary in my country's sport's channel.They are so annoyingly biased (especially former Pool and Spurs players).

 

[Judas]

Worrying about a thread on Redcafe coming across as RAWKish seems very insecure.

It's less so it being like RAWK and more just a bit pathetic, to put it bluntly. RAWK is basically code for pathetic and paranoid in the context I used it. Threads like this are the exact nonsense we used to, and still mock Liverpool fans for.

 

[stevoc]

It's less so it being like RAWK and more just a bit pathetic, to put it bluntly. RAWK is basically code for pathetic and paranoid in the context I used it. Threads like this are the exact nonsense we used to, and still mock Liverpool fans for.

Perhaps mate but i don't think anyone needs to worry about the forum coming across as RAWK, not yet anyway.

 

[imamuppet]

To anyone from the media reading this, and I know they do: kindly shut up. Don’t speak about Zaha-Lindelof if you don’t do likewise for Romeu’s assault on Greenwood, and don’t even mention the offside if you don’t do the same for Marcus against Bournemouth.

Journalism has really hit the gutter these days, and BT Sport aren’t too far behind.

Its the narrative that gets clicks...very much like populist newspaper headlines! We are the biggest club in the land and get the biggest viewing figures so they have to make hey to ensure attention following day.

Offside is offside, and the thing about it is that now there's absolute consistency. Ayew is offside, but the exact same decision would have been made against Martial. These calls will even out over the course of a season, I don't see an issue. And this 'margin' is just ridiculous.

On the penalty, it's a 50/50 call, move on. Like the OP said, the media made no mention of Romeu's blatant red. The media is getting on the ABU train again? That tells me one thing; We're relevant again. Bring it on.

Imagine a defender clattering into an 18 year old;blatantly and aggressively. Straight red but the media gloss over it and focus on VAR. There you have their agenda.

I really don't give a toss about the media these days. If they're back to hating Utd and thinking we get the decisions then we must be winning..

All very valid points and well said

Worrying about a thread on Redcafe coming across as RAWKish seems very insecure.

I wouldnt say worrying, its just peeps are annoyed that it is so blatent.

You would like people paid to commentate to be impartial, of course having a bunch of ex pros means this is obviously going to be difficult, calling it RAWKish is a bit unfair ..

 

[stevoc]

All very valid points and well said



I wouldnt say worrying, its just peeps are annoyed that it is so blatent.

You would like people paid to commentate to be impartial, of course having a bunch of ex pros means this is obviously going to be difficult, calling it RAWKish is a bit unfair ..

Yeah probably, just to be clear though I’m not saying the thread is Rawkish.

 

[imamuppet]

Yeah probably, just to be clear though I’m not saying the thread is Rawkish.

Apologies, that didn't come across very well point accepted.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

What does ABU stand for?

 

[horsechoker]

What does ABU stand for?

Anyone but United

 

[crossy1686]

We’ve got them worried again. Opposition managers are now talking about United getting favourable VAR decisions and the media running with that narrative. Feels good to be back.

 

[Zoo]

Hopefully a lot of anger today after our 20th pen of the season!

 

[JohnnyKills]

Tyler was ridiculous today, taking about the penalties stat. That sort of stuff shouldn't be getting airtime.

What are they implying? That United have hacked into Var and manipulated it to favour them?

 

[kirk buttercup]

Tyler was Ridiculous today . he kept talking as if Leicester were in Uniteds position. I thought he had lost the plot . then he brings up the penalty ...eh it was a Clear penalty

 

[RyRy11]

I can only really remember maybe 3 cases where the Penalties have been soft for us and two pens we should have been given that weren’t so I’m not really sure what they are trying to suggest? Tell the teams to stop fouling in box and giving away penalties..

 

[Red00012]

You’d swear if you get a peno it’s not deserved the way they go on about it ?
I would love to see all the penos and I’d say I might max 2/3 that might seem a bit harsh

Bruno v Villa is a stand out but can’t think of many else

 

[MadDogg]

You’d swear if you get a peno it’s not deserved the way they go on about it ?
I would love to see all the penos and I’d say I might max 2/3 that might seem a bit harsh

Bruno v Villa is a stand out but can’t think of many else

James vs Norwich is the other one that shouldn't have been a penalty. All the others were rightful penalties though and I think the one today was the next most debatable. Everything else were pretty much stone-wall penalties.

 

[Robertd0803]

Tyler today was a disgrace. Im normally tolerent of him but all his nonsense about Leicester "needing a moment,just one" and the rest of the shit he was spouting was beyond a joke.

 

[ReddBalls]

James vs Norwich is the other one that shouldn't have been a penalty. All the others were rightful penalties though and I think the one today was the next most debatable. Everything else were pretty much stone-wall penalties.

How was the penalty today debatable? Martial had two CB's hacking him down simultaneously.

 

[#07]

Tyler was ridiculous today, taking about the penalties stat. That sort of stuff shouldn't be getting airtime.

What are they implying? That United have hacked into Var and manipulated it to favour them?

There's a massive narrative around United now, started by Lampard and Mourinho and fed by the media.

Bruno has been fouled without it being punished several times in our last few games. This lie that we get all the decisions is now influencing how games are refereed.

Where was VAR when Zouma denied Martial a goalscoring opportunity in the FA Cup semi final? Where was VAR when Romeu did Greenwood? But you don't hear about that cos it doesn't suit the ABU media.

I wish our ex players in the media would say more about it.

 

[Chairman Steve]

Tyler was doing it for that theatre drama that Sky want. Chelsea were cruising to victory and United were leading. For the neutral spectator it was expected that would take place and Leicester scoring would have been interesting.

 

[dwd]

Tyler was Ridiculous today . he kept talking as if Leicester were in Uniteds position. I thought he had lost the plot . then he brings up the penalty ...eh it was a Clear penalty

I was glad Neville put him in his place for once.

 

[MadDogg]

How was the penalty today debatable? Martial had two CB's hacking him down simultaneously.

It was a penalty, but Evans did get a slight touch on the ball. The fact that it's the most 'debatable' out of all the others is more an indication of how blatant all the others were than this one actually being debatable.

 

[VidaRed]

 

[croadyman]

Tyler today was a disgrace. Im normally tolerent of him but all his nonsense about Leicester "needing a moment,just one" and the rest of the shit he was spouting was beyond a joke.

Yeah I am glad someone else noticed that today as well,have that Tyler you Liverpool supporting ABU wanker

 

[NinjaZombie]

There's a massive narrative around United now, started by Lampard and Mourinho and fed by the media.

Bruno has been fouled without it being punished several times in our last few games. This lie that we get all the decisions is now influencing how games are refereed.

Where was VAR when Zouma denied Martial a goalscoring opportunity in the FA Cup semi final? Where was VAR when Romeu did Greenwood? But you don't hear about that cos it doesn't suit the ABU media.

I wish our ex players in the media would say more about it.

There's a massive narrative around United now, started by Lampard and Mourinho and fed by the media.

Bruno has been fouled without it being punished several times in our last few games. This lie that we get all the decisions is now influencing how games are refereed.

Where was VAR when Zouma denied Martial a goalscoring opportunity in the FA Cup semi final? Where was VAR when Romeu did Greenwood? But you don't hear about that cos it doesn't suit the ABU media.

I wish our ex players in the media would say more about it.

It's probably just the mentality they have. Moaning about referees is a loser trait. United have had a bunch of bad decisions made against us before but won games and titles anyway. I remember Adebayor scoring from a handball against us at Old Trafford in 2008 but we still won that game 2-1 thanks to Ronaldo and Hargreaves. Henry scored a clear offside goal at Highbury in 2003 but we still managed to get a draw on the way to winning the league.

The United old boys are a self critical lot back then as players, which explains why they criticise the club and the team more so than they moan at referees.

 

[lysglimt]

It was a penalty, but Evans did get a slight touch on the ball. The fact that it's the most 'debatable' out of all the others is more an indication of how blatant all the others were than this one actually being debatable.

A Norwegian fifa-.referee explained this a few years ago. If you take the ball and then the man, it will still be a penalty unless the attacker wouldnt have reached the ball if still standing. In this case Martial clearly would have as the ball didn't move at all

So if Evans had taken the ball and tackled it back to the keeper and then taken Martial i millisecond later - he could get away with it. This wasn't the case here, and add to that Morgan clearly tackles Martial without being close to the ball so

 

[Saccharine]

I don't live in the UK anymore but my impression was that If you asked any set of fans they would say that there is a bias against their team in the media.
I guess it's because we tend to remember the negative more than the positive. It's just how human psychology works.

 

[#07]

It was a penalty, but Evans did get a slight touch on the ball. The fact that it's the most 'debatable' out of all the others is more an indication of how blatant all the others were than this one actually being debatable.

Evans only got anywhere near the ball because Wes Morgan clattered into Martial's left leg without being anywhere near it. Stonewall penalty.

 

[Squeaky Bumtime]

New agenda is us getting the most penalties in the league.

 

[Squeaky Bumtime]

I was glad Neville put him in his place for once.

What did Gary say?

 

[Salt Bailly]

Good. It means we're on the right track.

 

[Squeaky Bumtime]

Good. It means we're on the right track.

Exactly, more they're nervous about more it means we're doing better and better.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Tyler today was a disgrace. Im normally tolerent of him but all his nonsense about Leicester "needing a moment,just one" and the rest of the shit he was spouting was beyond a joke.

Following a foul on Bruno, no free kick was given. According to Tyler this is Bruno needing to get used to the English game. Ive never heard so much rubbish.

 

[Josep Dowling]

Tyler was Ridiculous today . he kept talking as if Leicester were in Uniteds position. I thought he had lost the plot . then he brings up the penalty ...eh it was a Clear penalty

I felt like the media banging on about our penalties for weeks influenced VAR to look at the penalty decision for much longer than required. On the first replay is was a clear penalty, but the VAR ref spent over 2 minutes to confirm the decision. Two players hacked him down from behind.

The only penalty this season that shouldn’t have been given was the Bruno one against Villa. I knew the minute we got a penalty yesterday that all the talk will be about us getting another penalty rather than us getting third place.

 

[Coleyoscar]

I don't live in the UK anymore but my impression was that If you asked any set of fans they would say that there is a bias against their team in the media.
I guess it's because we tend to remember the negative more than the positive. It's just how human psychology works.

I agree it's a subjective judgement and we are all subject to our own biases but I think there is at least one clear indicator of football journalists' favouritism of Liverpool over United.

The Football Writers Player of the Year award was introduced in the 1947/48 season. Since that time United have won the league 16 times while Liverpool have won14 titles (16:14).

They voted to give the award to a Manchester United player at the end of nine of those seasons. Liverpool players were selected by the football journalists 14 times (9:14)

Is there any explanation for this discrepancy other than media favouritism towards Liverpool and bias against United? Sometimes our subjective opinions are right.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

I don't live in the UK anymore but my impression was that If you asked any set of fans they would say that there is a bias against their team in the media.
I guess it's because we tend to remember the negative more than the positive. It's just how human psychology works.

It is more than that.

Look at Romeu on Greenwood. Doesn't get mentioned at all.
Evans challenge on McTominay. It doesn't get denied that its a red, because its obvious. But it isn't a story now.
If McTominay did that to Evans, it would be a major talking point. How long should he be banned etc.
It's always been this way. I remember Rooney swearing into the camera. The uproar was ridiculous over it. I remember watching some crap match a couple of weeks later. Watford vs Norwich or something like that. Some player shouted "get the f*ck in" into the camera. Absolutely nothing in the media about it.

 

[Jeppers7]

The penalty yesterday was stonewall...the only debate should’ve been which player, or whether both players saw red.

To debate the contact there, but not debate the zero contact on Antonio in the West Ham game for the free kick that led to the penalty.....but also debate the free kick in the City game that led to Bruno setting up Martials goal etc etc etc over and over again.

It’s always been the same with us. Even when something goes against us that shouldn’t, it gets mentioned but it isn’t the narrative for the entire post match debate, as it is when things go for us.

 

[romufc]

So Manutd get all the VAR decisions.

Who's fault is it that we have some of the trickiest forwards in the league? Martial is through on goal, if they do not take him down, it could be a goal?

So everyone seems to forget about the Arsenal game at home when we should have had a penalty ?
Or the tackle on Greenwood V Southampton?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Pre VAR: United get everything from refs. We need VAR to put an end to this.

(VAR introduced)

Current: VAR give United everything. Get rid of it.

Hahahahaha