If all we did is focus on fitness it would be our best summer since Fergie

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    Saf94 Full Member

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    This is a quote from Kyle Walker re Pochs pre season methods when he joined. From here - https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/f...icio-pochettino-knocked-tottenham-into-shape/

    Just like Walker says, for 6 years we’ve had players who can play but can’t do the basics right. If all we do is fix the basics we can get so much more out of the players we have currently regardless of who we sign.

    If we don’t fix the basics it doesn’t matter who we sign we will never have sustained success.
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    Kostur Full Member

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    Well that's a bold claim.
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    Speaking of basics, i felt LVG had that spot on. footbal was quite horrendous, maybe the 3rd season would have seen the rewards.
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    UnitedObsession99 New Member

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    I guess it could have worked like a snake charmer to put everyone to sleep!

    I found it a real struggle to watch a whole LVG match.
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    Didn’t Moyes do his infamous donut runs and then ban chips to work on fitness?
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    Yeah me too, i was the most disconnected during the LVG era but he did have the basics right.
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    Read your comment. Saw your tag and profile. Brilliant.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    There should be balance but yeah fitness is very important.

    Klopp
    Conte, Poch, Klopp's preseason

    Pep
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    And maybe Moyes should have gotten another season.
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    Agreed
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    Typical british dinosaur Poch
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    Hasn't Ole said this a few times too? I think we will be really fit at the start of the season. It's not just fitness though, it's also the will to run and press.
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    I think people just want to believe no other manager has tried it and Ole will just get them to run around more and our problems will be fixed. Already saw that end of last season where some still believe it was only fitness holding us back.

    Moyes, LvG and Jose all complained and tried to improve our fitness but the only thing that will really work is replacing half the team.

    There's an interview from Carrick reflecting on Moyes instructing them to run more where he disregards it's importance and that united have never run much. Good job he's not a coach now eh
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    And Solskjær has won it!
    The horseshoe he called it.

    It would have been more beneficial for United if he had got one less season.
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    Running is the most important aspect of football.

    If you can't run to a high level you won't win. This isn't a 5 aside game where footwork alone can win you a match.

    Honestly this is a good thing, run them into the ground and if the players don't like it they can sit on the bench.
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    So that's where my old fitness coach got it from. Horrible exercise.


    I don't know what we were doing in previous summers but this year we were clearly not fit enough. The way we began to drop off after Ole came in and upped the tempo of our games is not right for a Premier League team. We need a tough pre season and any players who don't like it are free to go and see how they get on with those fitness levels under other managers.
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    stevoc Full Member

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    And Solskjær has won it!
    Definitely we seen when Ole came in he got them working a lot harder during games and the results reflected that. But they couldn't sustain it, and to be fair to Solskjaer i'm pretty sure he predicted that would happen in one of his early press conferences.

    Moyes with his Horseshoe nonsense was just trying to look like he knew what he was doing.
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    TwoSheds More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably

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    Difference was he was running injury prone, old players into the ground. He wasn't working with a young team full of lazy gits.
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    Yeah I felt the same about Moyes. Instead of sacking, we should've extended his contract for another 6 years.
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    I got news for you buddy. Pogba, our most expensive player does want to go.
    And by the sounds of it, our second most expensive player also wants out.
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    Arguing for argument’s sake are you mate?
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    Some people get so offended when they are high up in their mighty horse.

    I was Just stating that LVG may have been good with a 3rd season. I have no qualms about him gone just a statement!

    Anyone with one brain cell would know that moyes was a disastrous appointment. He should not have been given a contract for 6 Mins.
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    The players are kicking up because they have to run,poor souls.
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    Speaking of Carrick (and McKenna), why are they not getting any flack? Since they took over as coaches, we have been an absolute disaster. I mean 6th place is sackable, IMO.
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    No one ever becomes a worse player by getting fitter. Surely being in peak fitness is the absolute number 1 priority for a professional footballer?!
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    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    I am worried that some of our darlings won't be able to handle the physical work rate being asked of them. We need to go easy on them, I think.
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    Yes we have to get the fitness levels up, but that will not improve players who have no technical ability. Most of Pep's players have that ability so really only have to concentrate on the fitness side. A lot of our players are technically inept and that will not change with fitness. It just means they can run for longer. We should be making sure we sign technical players.
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    Exactly. Our players don't know what Technical means. But who's fault is it. We have over 60 scouts to look for top technical players, but do we listen to them, or are we prepared to part with the money for these players. Sometimes I wonder why they are there.
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    Aren't we supposed to be getting even more of them. Must be a great job that.
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    Whereas i agree with the need to increase fitness 150% i do think our team are decent technical wise. Our squad is incredibly lazy which is absolutely apparent. Matic fred andreas martial sanchez dalot rashford pogba are all good on the ball but apart from rashford, have zero desire to chace a lost cause. If we were to talk intellectual ability, then that is another story.
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    Link ?
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    Good post. Sometimes I feel like if it wasn’t for all the baseless opions taking most of the space, this place would be a good site to go and find information to base opinions on.

    Moyes also did love fitness: https://www.google.no/amp/s/sportsl...izes-david-moyes-training-methods/119124/amp/

    Though he also loved off-the-ball training, cautious defensive tactical training, and same-training-for all players regardless of age, individual physicality and functioning. And he never really got many of the players on board.

    So as you say, it’s the balance that is decisive.
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    See above post.
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    DomesticTadpole Doom-monger obsessed with Herrera & the M.E.N.

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    I was going to mention that, then realised you mentioned it already. Yes, their decision making is abysmal. I am not sure if that is taught or you just have it.
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    Bestietom Full Member

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    The ones who are moaning, I would put Woodward sitting on their shoulders and make them run then.
    With a bit of luck maybe they would fall.
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    I think based on the trend of player's forms towards the end of the season, it is not too surprising really. This squad is capable of playing really good football judging from their winning runs, but they couldn't sustain it even if it just the second half of the season. Even Klopp's team needed few years before they are able to sustain their runs throughout a season. Then again, squad management is important too. Before United add supposedly better quality players, let's improve what they have at the moment and fill in the critical positions like CM and RW.
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    Yh he straight away identified our issues re fitness, I think his problem was just his style of management is so intense players just got rubbed up the wrong way. He also inherited a terrible team and his big signings really didn't work out.

    I know the caf is a place of often ridiculous commentary but the problems around fitness have been long documented on here, the fact it's so obvious to the outside eye makes it even more unacceptable to still be a problem. If we sign no one else but ole whips the players into top fitness, that's worth so much to us.