SuperiorXI
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Maguire is a modern great at heading it fecking wide
It really feels like D&D at times. You’ve won the header, now roll the dice to determine the direction of your shot.I laughed at this bit, ol’ fifty pence head Maguire loves finding the stands with a header.
Agree with this. Training and player development has changed to reflect the short passing game embraced since the late 2000s. I don't think either academy kids or first-team players will be working on high crossing drills anywhere near as often as 30 years ago. Heading is something you need to be working on regularly to get the timing right and it's pretty obvious it's not prioritised amongst many forwards who find themselves on the end of crosses into the penalty area. Even the short centre-forwards in the 1990s were mostly still effective in the air - the likes of Larsson, Owen, Riedle, Kirsten, McCoist, Les Ferdinand, Fowler - were all well under 6ft and usually the smaller guy in their strike partnerships, yet they were trained to attack a ball in the air and scored plenty of headers. Generalising here, but what we have produced instead is a generation of forwards who are very sharp on the deck, but hopeless in the air.Is this assessment incorrect? Removing Ronaldo: If you construct a top 5 great goalscoring headers of the ball, does anyone under 29 or so make the cut? If not, why do you think that is? And additionally, is Ronaldo the last all-time level header(er?) of a ball we'll ever see (directly in relation to CTE concerns and the future marginalisation of the skill)?
He was better than anyone in the history of football. He scored one from outside the box when he played in Serie A. Vieri was also great at heading.Bierhoff
Winning the ball in the air and the actual heading of the ball are two entirely different skills.Maguire has to be up there? He’s a magnet in the opposition box.
Tim Cahill was the one I thought of. For his height he was ridiculous in the air.Are we just talking about goals or defensive headers as well? Van Dijk was quite good before his injury on both ends. Otamendi, Giroud were both solid.
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I think he's brilliant aerially. He's got a great leap and timing. Excellent in the air.OP said, recent player under 29. Probably Calvert-Lewin? Van Dijk and Mane are pretty good also.
I didn't!Did anyone even read the OP?
Sure. Keep naming the same players, well over 30, who were good at heading the football, right?Did anyone even read the OP?
Very true. Even in an informal sense this had dropped a lot, but this summer there's actually official guidance from the FA on reducing the amount of higher force headers in training. I think it's a maximum of 10 over any given training week. Which will obviously be massively different compared to decades ago.Agree with this. Training and player development has changed to reflect the short passing game embraced since the late 2000s. I don't think either academy kids or first-team players will be working on high crossing drills anywhere near as often as 30 years ago.
Times are definitely changing. I think as the game has developed, the number of headed goals has decreased rapidly, to the point that it will eventually be phased out of the game.I doubt an opposing view can even be formulated to C.Ronaldo being one of the best headers of a ball in the entire history of the game. If he connects cleanly with a cross, a goal or solid attempt at goal is guaranteed.
What I thought when watching his latest exploit is: who else out there could you say the same of? In that exact scenario, if you removed Ronaldo and put in other players, who else would you give high odds of scoring to?
Concerns over CTE and a general aversion from teams to cross high in general has lessened heading as an art, in my view; the days of star headers of a ball seem long gone. The likes of Oliver Bierhoff and Karlheinz Ridle, or even Miroslav Klose having no modern-day equivalence and Ronaldo himself being an anachronistic throwback by now kind of makes clear heading is nowhere near as important in a coaching curriculum as it used to be.
If I'm not wrong in my musing, the next rung down of good headers of the ball are all close to retirement themselves, with what they were coached not really being seen in the younger players coming up. Cavani, Lewandowski, Sergio Ramos are players who instantly come to mind as I'm typing this.
Is this assessment incorrect? Removing Ronaldo: If you construct a top 5 great goalscoring headers of the ball, does anyone under 29 or so make the cut? If not, why do you think that is? And additionally, is Ronaldo the last all-time level header(er?) of a ball we'll ever see (directly in relation to CTE concerns and the future marginalisation of the skill)?
Hasn't scored more than 6 headed goals in EPLMaguire has to be up there? He’s a magnet in the opposition box.
Falcao was so so so good. I was over the moon when we signed himFrom the relatively recent ones, Falcao was incredible. He wasn't the tallest — he was actually relatively short, but he had the same unique ability to adjust to the ball at any height, ridiculous leap and, obviously, innate goalscoring instinct.
Sadly there's a lot of correlation between heading & dementia (and other relates diseases). It's hardly visible in the 40's but in the elder age... scarily high percentage of the stars from the 1960's and 1970's have some kind of neurocognitive issues.Slightly off topic. I want to see how these guys go into their 40s/50s/60s given the amount of bashing their heads have taken.
Gerd Müller, who had recently passed away, struggled with dementia, spending his last year lying in bed, not being able to talk etc.The Guardian said:Law is not alone in battling the condition, with the Football Association supporting two ongoing research studies examining former professionals for early signs of neurocognitive degeneration. The England World Cup winners Nobby Stiles, Jack Charlton, Ray Wilson and Martin Peters are among those to have died from the disease, while Sir Bobby Charlton was diagnosed with dementia in November.
6 of his 10 PL goals for us since joining are headers too. Guy loves itCavani
He has scored 50 headed goals out of his 296 goals in 467 games. Thats more than his left footed goals of which he has 47
Falcao has 30 in 292 games on whoscored
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink is worth a shout as well, similar technique to Falcao.n amazing heading technique, with both power and accuracy, so yes also an amazing header even if not ver
Yes, there is a correlation between heading & dementia, however there are hundreds of millions of non-footballers worldwide who also get dementia in old age. Just naming a few footballers who got it is anecdotal evidence and really means nothing.Sadly there's a lot of correlation between heading & dementia (and other relates diseases). It's hardly visible in the 40's but in the elder age... scarily high percentage of the stars from the 1960's and 1970's have some kind of neurocognitive issues.
Gerd Müller, who had recently passed away, struggled with dementia, spending his last year lying in bed, not being able to talk etc.
To be fair, Muller also had one hell of an alcohol addiction which probably contributed more to his condition than heading a football.Sadly there's a lot of correlation between heading & dementia (and other relates diseases). It's hardly visible in the 40's but in the elder age... scarily high percentage of the stars from the 1960's and 1970's have some kind of neurocognitive issues.
Here's an article from the time where Denis Law had announced his diagnosis:
Gerd Müller, who had recently passed away, struggled with dementia, spending his last year lying in bed, not being able to talk etc.