If nobody should be bigger than the manager...

[Skills]

Why do we want the club to buy such expensive players? If we do end up signing De Ligt for £85m, how can you run with the manager above everything structure? How much is a manager worth in modern football? Not £85m. Definitely not the £500m+ squad he's managing.

Maybe it's why Fergie himself never bought such expensive players. The more expensive the squad and its players, the lesser his own value is. It's much easier to ask the club to right off £10m, if a player falls out of line. Than asking the club to right off £90m for the same reason. Which is what Mourinho wanted the club to do after he fell out with Pogba.

 

[Zoo]

I don’t know where you’ve plucked £85m from.

 

[Stringer]

Why do we want the club to buy such expensive players? If we do end up signing De Ligt for £85m, how can you run with the manager above everything structure? How much is a manager worth in modern football? Not £85m. Definitely not the £500m+ squad he's managing.

Maybe it's why Fergie himself never bought such expensive players. The more expensive the squad and its players, the lesser his own value is. It's much easier to ask the club to right off £10m, if a player falls out of line. Than asking the club to right off £90m for the same reason. Which is what Mourinho wanted the club to do after he fell out with Pogba.

You mean the same Ferguson who broke the transfer record for a number of players including Veron and Ferdinand? If you want the best players, be prepared to pay big money for them.

 

[charlenefan]

Fergie broke plenty of transfer records, it's players earning more money than the manager is what SAF said cant be allowed to happen

 

[Skills]

I don’t know where you’ve plucked £85m from.

Okay lets say £70m - the exact value is trivial, as it doesn't change anything. It's still a feck-ton of money.

 

[MJJ]

Yeah let's buy players from the championship for a mil each.

 

[Skills]

Fergie broke plenty of transfer records, it's players earning more money than the manager is what SAF said cant be allowed to happen

The worlds first/second most expensive defender ever, is certainly going to be earning more money than a man who was managing Molde 7 months ago.

 

[RamblingRebel]

Since SAF left look whats happened to the club. He was worth 1 billion in todays transfer fees. Probably more.

 

[Skills]

Since SAF left look whats happened to the club. He was worth 1 billion in todays transfer fees. Probably more.

Yes but that was Fergie. How much is our current manager worth?

 

[Infestissumam]

Maybe it's why Fergie himself never bought such expensive players.

well that's just plain wrong, Ferguson spent a ton of money on certain players. 38m on Veron in 2001, 41m on Ferdinand in 2002 (most expensive CB at the time), 33m on Rooney in 2004 when he was just 18 ... all those transfers were crazy money at the time.

wages though, that's another story.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I don’t know where you’ve plucked £85m from.

The magic money tree.

 

[charlenefan]

The worlds first/second most expensive defender ever, is certainly going to be earning more money than a man who was managing Molde 7 months ago.

Quite possible and as is a broken ex footballer turned actor but then we know our wage bill is a problem but when you can't offer on the pitch success but want to stay competitive in the transfer market you have to compensate by paying more unless you just watch your rivals snap up the best talent and hope you strike gold by buying lesser players. It's a risk either way

 

[Skills]

Yeah let's buy players from the championship for a mil each.

Maybe we should. If we're going to beat our chests about the manager being above all, we probably need to go down that route.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

The worlds first/second most expensive defender ever, is certainly going to be earning more money than a man who was managing Molde 7 months ago.

feck me, you don't like Ole do you?

moaned about him in the De Ligt thread now started a thread about him....

 

[Skills]

feck me, you don't like Ole do you?

moaned about him in the De Ligt thread now started a thread about him....

I have nothing against Ole specifically. I hate the powerful status every manager post Ferguson has enjoyed at this club, without earning it.

 

[Deery]

Players just have to respect the manager I don’t think money has anything to do with it. It’s getting the right man that can do the job properly is what matters then the players will go along with his ideas.
But finding that right man is the hardest part.

 

[Class of 63]

well that's just plain wrong, Ferguson spent a ton of money on certain players. 38m on Veron in 2001, 41m on Ferdinand in 2002 (most expensive CB at the time), 33m on Rooney in 2004 when he was just 18 ... all those transfers were crazy money at the time.

wages though, that's another story.

Can you not use a more reliable site than TransferMarkt for your fees? It should be called TransterMarkUp or TransferMakeUp

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Fergie broke plenty of transfer records, it's players earning more money than the manager is what SAF said cant be allowed to happen

Was he making more than all of the players late in his career considering the wages the likes of Rooney and Rio were on?

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Players just have to respect the manager I don’t think money has anything to do with it. It’s getting the right man that can do the job properly is what matters then the players will go along with his ideas.
But finding that right man is the hardest part.

No, they should do the job they’re paid to do to the best of their ability and shut the feck up. If the managers ideas are shit, it’s not their place to question them. Follow orders on the field. If they have ideas, fine, but it’s the manager that sets the game plan. If just one player decides he’s not going to bother, it all falls apart. And it won’t be the player that pays for it.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Was he making more than all of the players late in his career considering the wages the likes of Rooney and Rio were on?

He signed a deal in 2010 that stated he would always earn more than the top earner at united. So if Rooney got a pay bump that would take him over fergies wage, fergie would get a pay bump too. Whether it was by a certain percentage or not, I have no idea. It could have been by £1 for all I know.

 

[Will Singh]

I don’t know where you’ve plucked £85m from.

£70m to Ajax, £12m to he's agent so £82m close enough to £85m....

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Can you not use a more reliable site than TransferMarkt for your fees? It should be called TransterMarkUp or TransferMakeUp

Those were huge transfer fees regardless.

 

[tenpoless]

Ask yourself, if you need to buy something and that thing is limited supply. And there are so many other potential buyers that want the same thing + They are willing to spend a lot of money.

What do you do? The market has changed.

 

[Class of 63]

Those were huge transfer fees regardless.

In England, yeah, but the fees quoted put us £30m more in debt

 

[Deery]

No, they should do the job they’re paid to do to the best of their ability and shut the feck up. If the managers ideas are shit, it’s not their place to question them. Follow orders on the field. If they have ideas, fine, but it’s the manager that sets the game plan. If just one player decides he’s not going to bother, it all falls apart. And it won’t be the player that pays for it.

Klopp or Pep do not seem to have any problems with players at any club there at, why because players buy into what there doing 100%.
Of course players should show a level of professionalism goes without saying but at top end it comes down to respect.

 

[wolvored]

Klopp or Pep do not seem to have any problems with players at any club there at, why because players buy into what there doing 100%.
Of course players should show a level of professionalism goes without saying but at top end it comes down to respect.

Exactly. Why sign for a club if you don't want to play for the manager in the first place. At the top end surely a player would sign for a manager who he respects and get paid 250 grand a week, than one he doesn't just to get 20-30 grand a week more

 

[amolbhatia50k]

What a strange viewpoint.

If Klopp or Pep spends 100 million on a player it doesn't make them more powerful than them because they're actually doing a good job. If Mourinho or LVG had done the same they'd command the utmost respect from the club as a whole.

 

[dove]

Fergie broke plenty of transfer records, it's players earning more money than the manager is what SAF said cant be allowed to happen

But it's impossible to do. We had Jose on something like £15m + bonuses per year and now got Ole for £8m (). Are we supposed to reduce all player wages for that?

Players are the stars of the show (maybe with the exception of Pep and to an extent Klopp) so they earn more, that's the way it works and probably should work. Managers are fine, they have other sources of income like compensation when they get sacked every few years.

 

[Sky1981]

Fans should stop complaining about everything.

Only last year you complain about a tough as nail manager that throws the lazy players under the bus, the thread on glazer being tight arse pennypinching is still one the front page. Now we're aiming for young prospect you complain again, complains.

Seriously. I dont know what the fans wants these days

 

[Mark Pawelek]

If nobody should be bigger than the manager...

Who believes this? Glazers - no. They are bigger than the manager - they own the club. Does their main man: CEO? No, he'll tell the manager whom not to sell. Likewise head of shirt sales - will ask the manager whom to buy. Do players believe it? If you're Messi, or Ronaldo, you don't. Because you know you're paid more than the manager; at best you're professional enough act like it.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

I have nothing against Ole specifically. I hate the powerful status every manager post Ferguson has enjoyed at this club, without earning it.

So you’d rather the players run the show?

 

[Jacob]

Value and price are two different things. Price is what you pay and value is what you get.

 

[Rista]

This makes no sense whatsoever. Manager being "bigger" than the players means he has bigger authority, not that his transfer fee is biggest. Clubs usually buy expensive players because good players are expensive and good players make you more likely to win stuff. If we only buy £10m players there would be many more to "right off" than if we bought better quality. Fergie spent a lot, most top managers spend a lot, it's the way it is.

 

[Jostein Hjorteset]

It will be a shit show if the manager is not allowed authority and power to enforce discipline. We have been underminding the manager since Fergie left. In what way? By having the board/CEO intervening in football decisions and establishing a culture based around star players.

If the star player doesn't respect the manager? Well, since the player is almost undroppable the manager has to go. Or he just doesn't listen to the game plan from the manager since his position is backed by the board anyway. Who is deciding who leaves and who are bought and who gets rewarded with fat contracts? Players are better of suck up to the CEO and the board if the manager does not always have a say. The result will be a disjointed squad and the manager looking clueless. The only way for a manager to stamp enough authority on this team in Ole's situation is to let him bring in his own players.

In short, the intervening of the board and CEO in making football decisions is making a circus out of the club. It can be fixed by bringing in a football director on the same page as the manager, and the board/CEO withdrawing from taking football decisions and just set budgets and broad targets. Will this happen? Doesn't seem so.

 

[Deery]

What a strange viewpoint.

If Klopp or Pep spends 100 million on a player it doesn't make them more powerful than them because they're actually doing a good job. If Mourinho or LVG had done the same they'd command the utmost respect from the club as a whole.

I don’t understand what you’re talking about.

If the whole dressing room and board respect the manager and his ideas a 100m player will get on board as well. I mean does VVD or Marhez make any noise? No.
But if a manager is just commanding respect himself without earning it through may it be bad tactics, bad attitude or bad team selection. It wouldn’t be long until the players lose respect for him, they make enough money in a week to do them a lifetime a few thousand pounds isn’t going to make a difference.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I don’t understand what you’re talking about.

If the whole dressing room and board respect the manager and his ideas a 100m player will get on board as well. I mean does VVD or Marhez make any noise? No.
But if a manager is just commanding respect himself without earning it through may it be bad tactics, bad attitude or bad team selection. It wouldn’t be long until the players lose respect for him, they make enough money in a week to do them a lifetime a few thousand pounds isn’t going to make a difference.

You seem to be agreeing with me.

I'm disagreeing with the correlation drawn between the purchase of an expensive player and the undermining of a managers authority/position.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Klopp or Pep do not seem to have any problems with players at any club there at, why because players buy into what there doing 100%.
Of course players should show a level of professionalism goes without saying but at top end it comes down to respect.

No, it comes down doing their job. Those players who dont do as their told have no respect. Not for the manager, not for the club, not for the fans. Jose has won everything under the sun, he doesnt deserve respect? Whether you like him or not, he deserves the respect that comes with the body of work hes done. Not that it matters. they are paid very well to do a job, just like they are at city and liverpool. Respect or even liking the manager does come into it. They are paid to do a job, just fecking do it.

 

[RamblingRebel]

Yes but that was Fergie. How much is our current manager worth?

Suppose in monetary terms he's not worth a whole lot, he's still pretty new to the game with small experience. Rinaldo, and Messi were worth little when they first started out. Its not really about the money though. Being the boss he has to have the players believing in his ideas, and pulling together for the good of the team. He is the boss, regardless of how much money he gets in comparison to ANY player.

 

[FFK Norway]

Klopp or Pep do not seem to have any problems with players at any club there at, why because players buy into what there doing 100%.
Of course players should show a level of professionalism goes without saying but at top end it comes down to respect.

How wronge you are. Klopp left Dortmund cause he had weared out the club and it's players.

Pep left Bayer Munich cause if not he would gotten fired. He had problems with several of the players and that it went shit in champions league. When you think of how much money and how many players Pep has bought he should won champions league more often. He just ain't good enough tactically.

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

Oh good, another "let's complain about the manager thread". Klopp has broken the World Transfer Record for a Goal Keeper and a Defender... which doesn't make him any less of a manager. Pep has spent an absolute fortune, after inheriting some excellent players... but he's still rightfully hailed as a genius. Both have had trouble with players as some other posters have pointed out already. Those are the only two manager to have shown better form (with momentum) since Ole took over. Give him some time, and equal support.