Nope. Grealish hasnt got the body of work to justify this. Even yesterday he slowed everyrthing down even more by holding on to the ball and playing for free kicks. You cant do that and keep expecting the ball when there is so much quality around him. Its the Hazard problem at Madrid all over again
Is Grealish the new Carrick and Scholes for England?
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Apart from the fact he fancies himself, he really doesn't show many similarities to Beckham at all. Beckham never dribbled the ball, and that's one of Grealish's biggest strengths.
Alright it's a bit of an ignorant statement, I see him as the most inconsistent player out of all the teams I watch on a semi regular basis outside of utd.
If you search for the word “the”, I also use that quite a lot too. That would also be quite the “gotcha” if you showed those search results and would help to detract from you coming out with ridiculous statements that everyone calls you out on.Absolute³
Some variation of that would work against most. Foden/Rashford in for Sancho.
Modern day beckham. His capacity to play down the wing and his biggest asset is his delivery. Obviously he isn't like for like and is more dynamic in 1v1s, but that's a far more legitimate comparison than most of the midfield comparisons I've seen.
Id have Rashford wide, Kane up top and Jack as a 10. Kane drops back leaving room for Rashfords out to in runs and Jack drifts left and fill the gap behind Marcus.
Everybody happy
Absolutely absolute.
Hazards problem at Madrid is injuries, maybe you missed the memo. Him holding on to the ball creates untold amounts of space for other attackers. Something like a Zidane effect. Play the guy and stop being stupid is what I'd say to England. Tippy tapping the ball around while doing nothing to disorganize the opposition achieves nothing in this sport.
Where has this insane overrating of Jack Grealish come from by pundits and media. Jadon Sancho and Marcus Rashford are both better players, and even Mason Greenwood has a strong case for having more potential. Not that Grealish is a bad player, far from it, but the typical over hyping is turning him into something he's not shown yet. You'd think some of the champions League winners at Chelsea would have an argument for having a bit more about them.
I know this is a personal issue......but Scholes and Carrick argh!!!! Why do I keep seeing these two boxed together.
Scholes was one of the best players in the league but was never barely used for his national team, ok at times you could say incorrectly used but at the time England had Scholes,Gerrard, Lampard and Becks and you can understand why you’d try and get them all in the team to an extent.
Carrick was never one of the best players in the league. He was nowhere near Scholes’s level and didn’t get in the team because there were many better midfielders than him (see above) even for balance Gareth Barry was considered a better option.
If Carrick hadn’t played for United he would never get mentioned in the same breath as Scholes. It proper winds me up
“Rashford is one of the most inconsistent players in the league”
All the wide options are top players, them and the fullbacks and Kane are England's strengths, but they're all irrelevant with this midfield, I don't even blame Southgate necessarily, the options aren't there
Agreed. Scholes was the centrepiece of the midfield when he emerged around 1997 taking on the creative mantle from Gascoigne and was picked regularly in his favoured 8/10 roles through to 2003 or so. At which point he was moved left whilst acknowledging his own performances weren’t up to par.
The English Wes Hoolahan 
Grealish on the left, Sancho on the right. Foden central. I don't see why we overcomplicate things by forcing the likes of Sterling and Mount into the team when there are better players for their roles.
He said the most inconsistent, not one of. Huge difference and makes the statement 10 times worse.
Oh yeah
Looked the most dangerous player we've had all tournament when he came on. He should play with Sancho on the other side.
Expect them both to be benched again next game.
Expect them both to be benched again next game.
How did he slow stuff down? We played at a snail's pace before he came on. Grealish was the only player looking to even attack; the rest look like they had given up by the time he came on.
That is because the managers were stupid. It should have been Gerrard and Carrick in midfield with Lampard pretty much playing as a striker.I know this is a personal issue......but Scholes and Carrick argh!!!! Why do I keep seeing these two boxed together.
Scholes was one of the best players in the league but was never barely used for his national team, ok at times you could say incorrectly used but at the time England had Scholes,Gerrard, Lampard and Becks and you can understand why you’d try and get them all in the team to an extent.
Carrick was never one of the best players in the league. He was nowhere near Scholes’s level and didn’t get in the team because there were many better midfielders than him (see above) even for balance Gareth Barry was considered a better option.
If Carrick hadn’t played for United he would never get mentioned in the same breath as Scholes. It proper winds me up
Carrick was the best DM in the world with Busquets.
Carrick was praised to high heavens by the fans...? I take it you were not around the caf during 08-12.
Grealish came on yesterday and did sweet feck all. Already in the other thread we have people talking about Greenwood being the answer.
Grealish came on yesterday and did sweet feck all. Already in the other thread we have people talking about Greenwood being the answer.
Even when he wasnt injured he was criticised. Keeping the ball too long allows the game down and playing for fouls so much means you need even more of the ball over that to make an impact.
Elite football, right now, what final third player hogs the ball? Especially a wide player? Hes 26 in a few months with 8 caps to his name, lets not pretend his style is in anyway working for England. Zidane effect..we saw how slow he made everything when he came on. Thats ok if theyre setting up to play that way but England became a set piece team as soon as Jack came on.
It slowed down even more. Every attack seemed to turn into a freekick 35 yards out. Hell the closing move of the game was slowly taking the ball up and down the left side until they lost it then the ref blew.
But at least he tried to do something unlike the rest of the cowardly shower of shite.
Look at Fernandes, some games he “does feck all” because things don’t quite come off, but you only need it to happen once to change a game.
Grealish offers confidence and someone beating men and getting the ball into dangerous positions, or making off the ball runs himself. The rest of Southgate’s side are completely static.
Struggling to work out how you reckon he's anywhere similar to Beckham?
You might be right that he's not that similar to Carrick or Scholes, but Beckham was all about high work rate, incredible crossing and range of passing.
Grealish has exceptional close control and dribbling is a massive part of his game.
He's nothing like any of the other 3.
The point of this thread is will he be underused, like Scholes and Carrick were. Nothing to do with likening their styles.
Hazard hasn't been up to pace even when fit cause he's been injured. Don't act like he's playing like he was at Chelsea, he can barely beat a man atm. He's been criticized for playing poorly and we all know why that is the case.
Speeding up the play against an organized defence achieves nothing as England learned yesterday. What's important is creating space, disorganizing the opposition and exploiting that space.
Neymar, Messi you know, the usual ball hogs.
Never played a Champions League game. Maybe he has played in the Europa in the past, but not sure. The players in his positions for England are much more experienced than him (despite being younger than him).
He is a quality player but the hype surrounding a player who with almost 26 still plays for Aston Villa has become insufferable.
People are acting like De Bruyne has been left out.
He is a quality player but the hype surrounding a player who with almost 26 still plays for Aston Villa has become insufferable.
People are acting like De Bruyne has been left out.
Carrick? Never really impressed whenever he played for England tbh, Hargreaves was a lot better than him
The best player for England is always that one guy who doesn’t play. Until he actually plays, and everybody turns on him as well.
When Hazard has played he has been criticised for holding onto the ball for too long. Thats not down to injuries and he has had long enough streaks of fitness to not use an injury as an excuse.
What space does Jack create by holding onto the ball? You dont shift low blocks by going backwards to win free kicks. The hyped sub appearance didnt exactly prove his worth.
Maybe he has to alter his approach from what Villa faces to England. Like how Lingard isnt limited when not facing teams set up to stop bigger sides.
He plays against Champions league sides all the time in the prem. Playing for a terrible side and he almost always turns up. He's played better football than anyone in the England squad bar maybe Kane this past season. Play him and let's see if the hype is justified.
Like a modern day Beckham. Cuts inside more than Beckham did, relies on beating players because of this, but it's a closer analogue than Carrick or Scholes. There is no player like Bechkam today because the game has changed. He would be like a combination of Dan James' traditional wingplay and Bruno Fernandes' range of passing. That doesn't really exist in one player because players like Fernandes tend to play more centrally.
Not at all true.
Who would you like say?
You'll do well to find a video of Beckham dribbling past someone. Particularly in the style Grealish does. Not a criticism of Becks, just wasn't his game.
This.
Pickford
Walker - Stones - Maguire - Shaw
Rice
Foden - Mount
Sancho —————————- Grealish
Kane
Walker - Stones - Maguire - Shaw
Rice
Foden - Mount
Sancho —————————- Grealish
Kane
Carrick was shite for England even in his favoured position. Good for United though
Carrick and Scholesy were left out because of England and the FA’s hatred of us. Not really sure why they leave out Grealish but maybe he’s overhyped? I don’t really watch the smaller teams.
Feel like Barry was preferred because he had a bit more grit about himself. Carrick had more finesse about himself, was probably a better passer of the ball but Barry was better at covering the defense.
Clearly you have no clue why Mount is in the team. He isn’t in there because he is being shoe horned in. He is a better presser of the ball than any of the above. He also has high key passing stats, more than Sancho and his set piece ability is better than the above. He had the lowest assists because our conversion rate was a joke, he was 3rd in the league for chances created. These are the facts.
Agreed but his career was ruined by injuries. Peak Hargreaves lasted only 2? Years.