Bit harsh for people to use him as the example of a shit defender, no?
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Is Harry Maguire being a worldwide punchline deserved?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Upamaguire 
Kind of, yeah
Of course not... But it comes with the territory of being a £80m defender and captain for Manchester United unfortunately.
I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Sure he is not the best around but after last season's shit show he is pretty solid this year. Apart from that no one deserves to be bullied like that. At least we should fully support him as long as he is here.
I would feel sorry for Maguire but he says stuff that doesn't make me feel sorry for him.
He's a shit defender though, and an arrogant one at that too.
At the moment probably. He's captain of one of the biggest clubs in the world and turns like that ship that blocked the suez canal. Hed be a good player and rebuild his reputation at another club a couple of levels down
Human centipede made out of Maguire and Upamecano yikesUpamaguire
It's as simple as that. His interviews have been awful
Calamity James kinda received the same bullying levels.
But James wasn't worth 80 million, nor he played for Man Utd nor was captain of England.
But James wasn't worth 80 million, nor he played for Man Utd nor was captain of England.
And in another thread we have posters telling us it isn’t Enzo Fernandez fault he cost 120m?!
In fairness, it's not often you see a premier League defender unable to turn in a circle, or who seems to lose track of where the ball is in relation to himself alarmingly often. Let alone one who cost £80m and is captain of an actually serious club.
Pound for pound he’s one of the biggest flops in recent times, playing in a position that highlights all mistakes, at a club that is under more scrutiny than any other. He’s the perfect meme footballer really.
Is that Big Zuu who has a cookery show?
It wasn’t his fault we signed him for a ridiculous sum of money. But sadly, if you execute as poorly as he does, at a club that he’s at and in his role at that club (and his National country, mind), you don’t have many shadows to hide in. No one deserves abuse, but such is the current status quo.
Definitely over the top but he doesn't help himself sometimes with his public comments and interviews.
That's the genesis of the escalation wasn't it. Coming across as big-headed...
Honestly think him being handed the armband was the single worst thing to ever happen to his career.
The price tag was one thing but becoming club captain of one of the biggest teams in the world for nonsensical reasons gave him little to zero time to adjust to the expectations and pressure at the club and made him the most visible public figure/face for our failures.
Doesn't help that he was often a contributor to poor play/results as well but I don't think it would've been nearly as bad if he wasn't captain. It just compounded everything for him.
I partially blame Ole really for him becoming a genuine meme.
The price tag was one thing but becoming club captain of one of the biggest teams in the world for nonsensical reasons gave him little to zero time to adjust to the expectations and pressure at the club and made him the most visible public figure/face for our failures.
Doesn't help that he was often a contributor to poor play/results as well but I don't think it would've been nearly as bad if he wasn't captain. It just compounded everything for him.
I partially blame Ole really for him becoming a genuine meme.
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Is Upamecano a humble guy? Maguire isn't.
I’m not sure he’s arrogant. Just a not very bright Yorkshireman whose rather ham fisted attempts to justify himself end up doing the opposite.
It sucks, really does. It's also the nature of the beast and nothing new.
Jaap Stam when he first arrived got done in by Anelka twice in his early games with us. I still remember him being mocked in the media as a waste of money for a few weeks before people slowly started to shut up when they realized he was absolute class.
Laurent Blanc was absolutely lampooned when he joined us. To the extent one tabloid had a headline "BLANC" spelling out the first letter of each team we had lost to in the league that season. And he was a World Cup winning defender.
Harry Maguire is following that tradition but hasn't had a season like Jaap did in 1999 to shut them up.
Jaap Stam when he first arrived got done in by Anelka twice in his early games with us. I still remember him being mocked in the media as a waste of money for a few weeks before people slowly started to shut up when they realized he was absolute class.
Laurent Blanc was absolutely lampooned when he joined us. To the extent one tabloid had a headline "BLANC" spelling out the first letter of each team we had lost to in the league that season. And he was a World Cup winning defender.
Harry Maguire is following that tradition but hasn't had a season like Jaap did in 1999 to shut them up.
Obviously I've watched a lot more of Maguire but I can honestly say I've never seen Upamecano play a single game where he didn't commit some sort of massive feck up. I have seen that from Maguire.
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
I think he's on the decline. He is getting slower and more fridge-like by the week. But he's a pretty decent defender against slower non-pressing teams. Sort of.
Harry has defibyejy been overly abused, but he would do well to shave off that weak mustache.
Yep.
I've long suspected that he simply can't fit a razor under that conk.
It is very funny and obviously unfair, he's not half as bad as the meme has it. He surely didn't help himself by coming across as quite arrogant.
Doesnt matter when you have nothing to prove
He wouldn't get half the stick if he stopped the billy big bollocks, I keep getting picked, I've got nothing to prove horseshit.
Was given far more time by this fanbase than others have been.
Exactly. And yes when you look as stupid as Maguire has as many times in recent years in matches, and so many of those clips go viral, you're going to become a meme of a defender yourself.
It's not like he had a single howler and people aren't letting it go
Yea it's happened to better defenders than him.
A few years ago Boateng was one of the most laughed at memes in the world after Messi embarrassed him and that was coming off a World Cup win not long before
His attitude hasn't helped him tbf but it comes with the territory.
If a so-called Manutd supporter joins them to ridicule Maguire, that “supporter” is a fake supporter. Other than that, no one cares.
That and his interviews. He doesn't exactly help himself.
I don't like the sort of personal abuse and heightened attention that Maguire has received, I think it encapsulates all the bad things about football fans and social media culture.
Obviously being an underperforming Utd captain and having cost £80m are big reasons. But I actually sense that the sheer levels of abuse he receives is triggered by different factors such as his name, physical appearance and on screen personality. It's all pretty seedy and unsavory imo.
Obviously being an underperforming Utd captain and having cost £80m are big reasons. But I actually sense that the sheer levels of abuse he receives is triggered by different factors such as his name, physical appearance and on screen personality. It's all pretty seedy and unsavory imo.
An unfortunate combination of him being a clown, making horrendous errors and brain farts in every game, and at the same time trying to do everything with a swagger and arrogance as if he was prime Beckenbauer.
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