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Mainoo has a higher ceiling than Rice. Give it a few years and he’ll start regularly.Surely Bellingham/Rice have the England central midfield wrapped up for the next decade?
Mainoo has a higher ceiling than Rice. Give it a few years and he’ll start regularly.Surely Bellingham/Rice have the England central midfield wrapped up for the next decade?
Wouldn't it be quite narrow? 5-3-2? 4-3-3? I guess they play that now but all three tend to gravitate to middle of pitch,Mainoo would be completing a midfield trio with the two of them if he fulfills his very clear potential
Bellingham plays quite high up for Madrid. Mainoo the player who helps tick things over, Rice for his energy and Bellingham is well Bellingham. 433 or 4231 with a front 3 of something like Foden Kane Saka.Wouldn't it be quite narrow? 5-3-2? 4-3-3? I guess they play that now but all three tend to gravitate to middle of pitch,
Crazy front six for the future, but Kane’s age is your big problem. Do you lot have any quality young strikers? Preferably non-rapists.Bellingham plays quite high up for Madrid. Mainoo the player who helps tick things over, Rice for his energy and Bellingham is well Bellingham. 433 or 4231 with a front 3 of something like Foden Kane Saka.
What is that about?Crazy front six for the future, but Kane’s age is your big problem. Do you lot have any quality young strikers? Preferably non-rapists.
It’s a quality side if Southgate goes that route! Has so much to it, suppose we better hope Mainoo even gets a call up first.Crazy front six for the future, but Kane’s age is your big problem. Do you lot have any quality young strikers? Preferably non-rapists.
Greenwood, obviously. And you know that.What is that about?
I do wonder what the average age is on the caf is at timesGreenwood, obviously. And you know that.
Yes. He can play on the left, right, and center. A very versatile and intelligent player with high level on each.Yeah Seedorf was a physical tank. Very unique player
‘What will be interesting as well is seeing how Mainoo develops physically and how that impacts his game, both strength/frame wise but also his heightYes. He can play on the left, right, and center. A very versatile and intelligent player with high level on each.
Agreed. It's hard to judge how young player ends up, but he has all the basics on good level as midfielder: vision, skillful, works hard, good passer, good positioning. I can see why people likened him to Seedorf, but in my opinion, he's more like Modric or Pogba (with France NT).‘What will be interesting as well is seeing how Mainoo develops physically and how that impacts his game, both strength/frame wise but also his height
Yer man Chelsea signed from City could turn out to be the next Kane. Annoyingly.Crazy front six for the future, but Kane’s age is your big problem. Do you lot have any quality young strikers? Preferably non-rapists.
Sterling? Bit old now mate.Yer man Chelsea signed from City could turn out to be the next Kane. Annoyingly.
Honestly I’ve never liked the Pogba comparison. Seems most just see “tekky black midfielder for United” and say Pogba regen (not saying you are just many others).Agreed. It's hard to judge how young player ends up, but he has all the basics on good level as midfielder: vision, skillful, works hard, good passer, good positioning. I can see why people likened him to Seedorf, but in my opinion, he's more like Modric or Pogba (with France NT).
Honestly I’ve never liked the Pogba comparison. Seems most just see “tekky black midfielder for United” and say Pogba regen (not saying you are just many others).
Pogba for me was a physical freak with Zidane level artistry, but never showed the work rate or defensive game that his frame might have suggested. He was clearly one of the most technically gifted players in the world but not easy to just slot into any team. You sort of needed to build around him with a clear plan (something United never did). Mainoo seems far more versatile because of his grasp of the basics and his footballing IQ is fantastic so you can play him in a multitude of roles without needing to worry if he can cope. He probably wont end up with the top end level of ability that Pogba had, but there’s a very good chance he’s more effective on a regular basis in his teams because he’ll be able to do the normal things (track back, tackle, run hard, move the ball quickly forward) far more consistently while developing the clear god given talent he has on the ball.
Agree with that no doubt. Pogba with France is an unbelievable player. And because he has a properly constructed midfield around him to mask his deficiencies it allows him to shine which is sort of my point.I rate Pogba with France NT very high. Keep mentioning before that he was their only playmaker and I personally thought he was their best player when winning that WC. I saw him running the show, with other players like planets rotating around the sun (him).
Other than that, Pogba with United is mostly a different player.
True. I think that how it works with most of these good players. Even Messi or Ronaldo the GOAT needs the team to build around to get the most out of them. I don't think that a sign of "weakness" though.Agree with that no doubt. Pogba with France is an unbelievable player. And because he has a properly constructed midfield around him to mask his deficiencies it allows him to shine which is sort of my point.
I'm still undecided on where we should play him long term. He's obviously gifted enough to play higher up as an 8 and contribute in and around the box. But at the same time DM's that can also carry and are elite technically basically don't exist and if you have one you don't sell him. Guess it really depends on who we buy to surround him with this summer/who is availableTrue. I think that how it works with most of these good players. Even Messi or Ronaldo the GOAT needs the team to build around to get the most out of them. I don't think that a sign of "weakness" though.
There are probably only a handful of best players that don't need this "luxury".
But I can see your POV. Not saying I disagreed. Who knows how he'll become.
It seems to me that he lacks the flashiness of Pogba - of course, you can alternatively phrase it as 'consumate artistry' or something similar. Pogba hit real dazzling heights. But he only hit them occasionally, and had a sort of childish quality to his attitude a lot of the time.Honestly I’ve never liked the Pogba comparison. Seems most just see “tekky black midfielder for United” and say Pogba regen (not saying you are just many others).
Pogba for me was a physical freak with Zidane level artistry, but never showed the work rate or defensive game that his frame might have suggested. He was clearly one of the most technically gifted players in the world but not easy to just slot into any team. You sort of needed to build around him with a clear plan (something United never did). Mainoo seems far more versatile because of his grasp of the basics and his footballing IQ is fantastic so you can play him in a multitude of roles without needing to worry if he can cope. He probably wont end up with the top end level of ability that Pogba had, but there’s a very good chance he’s more effective on a regular basis in his teams because he’ll be able to do the normal things (track back, tackle, run hard, move the ball quickly forward) far more consistently while developing the clear god given talent he has on the ball.
I mean it’s not just “flashiness” though, Pogba was a freaky elite dribbler for his size, and as a pure passer rivals Kroos in range and consistency while also having the full locker of creativity. Whatever you think of his time here, as a player he was an artist and someone capable of doing things only a handful on the planet could do.It seems to me that he lacks the flashiness of Pogba - of course, you can alternatively phrase it as 'consumate artistry' or something similar. Pogba hit real dazzling heights. But he only hit them occasionally, and had a sort of childish quality to his attitude a lot of the time.
Mainoo also has a very high ceiling, but probably not quite as high. On the other hand, he's consistent, calm, remarkably mature for his age, and blessed with football intellience. I for one am more than happy to take that small drop in artistry to have consistently very good player with an excellent interperosnal style about him. Out of those two, give me Kobbie any day.
Agreed. The use of the term ‘flashy’ was meant to relative to the more understated style of Mainoo, not as a put down of PP.I mean it’s not just “flashiness” though, Pogba was a freaky elite dribbler for his size, and as a pure passer rivals Kroos in range and consistency while also having the full locker of creativity. Whatever you think of his time here, as a player he was an artist and someone capable of doing things only a handful on the planet could do.
Now all of that being said, like I noted before he is also notoriously poor defensively for his size meaning you have to surround him with specific profiles or he becomes a liability at times. Whereas Mainoo seems much more complete and well rounded in his overall game which allows him the versatility of being able to slot into almost any role in a midfield and immediately be a contributor. Thats incredibly rare especially in the modern game where tactics/profiles/etc are analyzed to the finest minute detail. So while I’d be shocked if Mainoo ever has a goals/assists/highlight package anywhere close to Pogbas, there’s a real chance he develops into surefire title winning level midfielder that you build an elite team around without ever having to worry how he fits in it.
Spot onAgreed. The use of the term ‘flashy’ was meant to relative to the more understated style of Mainoo, not as a put down of PP.
I agree with everything you’ve said here, though my focus was on Pogba’s time at Utd.
Rice and Mainoo in a midfield two with Bellingham in that advanced role would be top notch.Surely Bellingham/Rice have the England central midfield wrapped up for the next decade?
It's interesting seeing opposition fan opinions on this. English United fans could be accused of bias when wanting that midfield, and there's probably a hint of that, but there's also not a tonne of options. Phillips, Henderson and Ward-Prowse aren't my cup of tea and I don't think there's any other contenders.Rice and Mainoo in a midfield two with Bellingham in that advanced role would be top notch.
I think that double pivot midfield with an advanced player like Bellingham is what's working in modern football currently and suits the players England have in midfield. Phillips has fallen off a cliff and Henderson should be phased out now. Really the only options are Mainoo, JWP and Garner, with Mainoo having the most potential of the bunch.It's interesting seeing opposition fan opinions on this. English United fans could be accused of bias when wanting that midfield, and there's probably a hint of that, but there's also not a tonne of options. Phillips, Henderson and Ward-Prowse aren't my cup of tea and I don't think there's any other contenders.
I've said it before but I really like Dan Neil from Sunderland, but playing in the championship is always going to count against him. I can see him getting a call up eventually, though, because I think he'll be in the PL with or without Sunderland soon.
I get the impression that a lot of people want to see a Rice, Foden, Bellingham midfield.but there's also not a tonne of options.
I think it's mainly to stop him from picking Ghana more so than being ready. I think he should take Jones regardless of what happens with Mainoo.It's probably a bit soon for mainoo to be getting a call up, I would look at Curtis Jones though. Depends how many we take I guess.
You won't be saying that when he has to dip out for a month every AFCON.Southgate does not have the cojones to put Kobbie in the squad. He'd rather give minutes to Jordan Henderson. Hope Mainoo chooses Ghana.
There's an argument to say he'll never win anything playing for England. He certainly won't win anything playing for Ghana.Southgate does not have the cojones to put Kobbie in the squad. He'd rather give minutes to Jordan Henderson. Hope Mainoo chooses Ghana.