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Is Martial closer to a traditional no.10 than a no.9?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
If we don't sign a striker and a cam/ss in January then we'll continue to struggle. At present we've only really got one striker and he's really inconsistent. And without a proper 10 we'll continue to struggle to break teams down.
No, he is a 9 or a wide forward. Not a 10.
What about his movement? It’s dreadful, he doesn’t get himself in the right positions the majority of the time. The whole attack is guilty of it, but he’s by far the worst.
Once we replace him I think people will realise just how over the top the protection he’s received on here has been at times. So many excuses have been made for him.
He's a second striker - he's not a #9 in the sense of a Halaand type of player who will poach out goals.
More of a Berbatov than a Halaand.
More of a Berbatov than a Halaand.
A withdrawn 9 is Firmino and he is no Firmino I have almost lost it with Martial this year his lack of movement in the box is bordering on the scandalous for a United striker
He’s definitely more a 9 than a 10 for me
He needs a full season where he actually has decent competition for the starting spot. If he fails to cement his place after that season, he should be either a backup option(not a very cheap one) or he should be moved on.
He really isn't that special, even when being on form.
For the moment though, let's see what happens when Paul is back in the team, he should influence Martial's game.
He really isn't that special, even when being on form.
For the moment though, let's see what happens when Paul is back in the team, he should influence Martial's game.
He's a quite good attacking player, one of our better ones in the post Fergie era and can do a relatively good job in all three positions.
I was going to reply to this but ...
Someone posted my exact thoughts and saved me the effort! This 100%. I doubt very, very much Ole is a huge fan of Martial and if Haaland does come I suspect it will be as a replacement for AM, not to play alongside him. That will be Rashford and DJ's job.
Yeah that's about the sum of it.
Not a particularly good LW, not a particularly good #9, and not a particularly good #10 either....has skills, but nowhere near enough end product.
Not very sure to be honest.He doesn’t seem to have the dynamism and the energy to constantly keep putting pressure on the opposition.He seems to be good in brief spurts,which isn’t good enough for a club like United...LVG actually felt that Martial was much better on the left than through the middle,because he’s “a player who consistently needs to be involved in the game”.LVG felt that as a LW,he would constantly keep getting the ball,which would help him to stay involved throughout the game...Whenever he goes through spells where he doesn’t get the ball,he seems to completely lose his rhythm and touch....I”m not sure what his best position is...
It's hard to make out Martial because of his inconsistency. When he is up for it he can be great, but he will never get you 30 goals a season. Maybe he would play better with a big striker alongside him, but I can't see us changing to a 4-4-2.
His a inconsistent modern number 9.
I’m recent years the best Martial I’ve seen was the rare occasion he was partnered up to with Lukaku in a 2. For a brief spell of 10 minutes we played with those two up front and Miki in behind them and it was great.
Personally I wouldn’t say he is best suited to play by himself up top and expecting him to do the buisness. For me you either have a partner for him or he plays like a false 9 with two wide forwards. Rashford and Greenwood.
He’s got the best hold up and is the most creative out of the lot. Don’t get these people that say he isn’t creative, he creates lots of oppertunites for something to happen in a game. The problem is he has to pass to Lingard, Rashford or James who then screw it up.
He could play like a traditional 10 would, but not the modern perception of a 10. He’d never have the workrate and I’ve not really seen him ever attempt any mid to long range passing.
Personally I wouldn’t say he is best suited to play by himself up top and expecting him to do the buisness. For me you either have a partner for him or he plays like a false 9 with two wide forwards. Rashford and Greenwood.
He’s got the best hold up and is the most creative out of the lot. Don’t get these people that say he isn’t creative, he creates lots of oppertunites for something to happen in a game. The problem is he has to pass to Lingard, Rashford or James who then screw it up.
He could play like a traditional 10 would, but not the modern perception of a 10. He’d never have the workrate and I’ve not really seen him ever attempt any mid to long range passing.
Not sure about his best position but he needs a rocket up his arse most games. So frustrating, all that talent and no fire in his belly. what a waste He is making of his ability.
Both positions require the player to move. His refusal to move makes him ineffective in any position. I actually think he's a brilliant player when he wants to be but that's the problem he picks and chooses when he can be bothered
No.
There's no fire because there's no competition
His skill on the ball to create space, hold up and bring others into play are good. It's his off the ball movement and desire to get into space that needs to be improved as a 9. At the moment he brings a lot of value as a withdrawn striker/false nine, but when crosses come in from James he needs to react more. Alternatively, as some have pointed out, we play Greenwood (or another new striker/wide forward) instead and have Martial try to be Firmino. He is the best we got in the striker position at the moment
He’s a 9 but he lacks of desire to get into the box after drop deeper to get the ball & bring others into play.
He does have the ability to play that no 10 role because he can hold the ball very well, can bring others into play and link up play very well, he has quality as good as Reus on the ball. However, the issue is his off ball movement if he plays that no 10, he might not even show up in the box since he’s lazy to make a lot of runs. Ole needs to have a word to him about it.
He does have the ability to play that no 10 role because he can hold the ball very well, can bring others into play and link up play very well, he has quality as good as Reus on the ball. However, the issue is his off ball movement if he plays that no 10, he might not even show up in the box since he’s lazy to make a lot of runs. Ole needs to have a word to him about it.
Hes a squad player in a really good team. He is definitely not a 10. I'd have him as a back up number 9 if he wants it.
He's not closer to a traditional No 10, no.
Probably closer to a traditional second striker type than a traditional line leader, though.
Probably closer to a traditional second striker type than a traditional line leader, though.
I agree. You can see why Mourinho wanted to sell him. Hes 24 and worse than he was at 20/21
Cantona esque surely this is a joke
One of the least creative players we got, maybe only beaten by Jones
He's closer to a traditional No12 at the moment.
It's his 5th season at United next year and we still don't know what his best position is. Martial should have forced this issue by now, it should be absolutely clear what his skillset is. Unfortunately the biggest issue is the complete lack of consistency he displays.
We should cash in on him if a better option presents itself before he becomes an undeveloped player worth a fraction of what we paid for him.
We should cash in on him if a better option presents itself before he becomes an undeveloped player worth a fraction of what we paid for him.
When there was he sulked and apparently asked to leave because Mourinho preferred Rashford and Zlatan.
Yes, unfortunately. Even I'm starting to come around to this. His best season at United, by far, was his first one. Since then he hasn't really improved. Mourinho is partly to blame but the player himself has to shoulder responsibility as well.
More of a 9.75 for me
He can play at 9 or 11. short-passing not good enough for 10. He's got great close control and was the best finisher at the club (now been over-taken by Rashford and Greenwood). Too inconsistent to be part of a title-threatening first team. He needs to be fearful of his place. Greenwood and hopefully Haaland will push him down the pecking order. Get Niguez, offload Matic and Mata and Martial can warm the bench along with Lingaard and Pereira.
Nope.
He's great at running with the ball and creating chances for himself. But his overall game at picking a killer pass, getting himself into dangerous areas and general quick play isnt good enough. Martial tends to get the ball and pause alot, then decide to go on a run.
He's a decent forward, not a playmaker. Even at that, he's not prolifiic enough and needs to work harder to get in to danger areas and give himself more opportunities.
He's great at running with the ball and creating chances for himself. But his overall game at picking a killer pass, getting himself into dangerous areas and general quick play isnt good enough. Martial tends to get the ball and pause alot, then decide to go on a run.
He's a decent forward, not a playmaker. Even at that, he's not prolifiic enough and needs to work harder to get in to danger areas and give himself more opportunities.
Yep - any more withdrawn and he’d still be in fecking bed
He's better wherever and whenever He's arsed
That's bullshit, he asked to leave after we bought Sanchez and he was shifted to the right wing after winning his spot back from Rashford. Stop lying about our players, as if people don't have valid reason to criticise them.
Not even firmino was as good current firmino when he was martials age.
Reminds me of Rooney arguments in here: "Is he striker? Can he play as midfieler? Maybe if we put him on wing?"
Right..
And how far is Martial FC ready to go to defend and praise their boy?
Cantona esque???
Ffs...
Right..
And how far is Martial FC ready to go to defend and praise their boy?
Cantona esque???
Ffs...