LVG was the first time I’ve fallen asleep watching a football match. That was the worst it’s been IMO
Is Ole’s football really any better than José & LVG’s?
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Isn't it telling that despite having such shite managers as you describe, a lot of the fans were still willing to absolve them of responsibility with quotes like the bolded?
It's the same with every manager since SAF. Obviously not good enough, yet they somehow have a dedicated fan club that will pile on excuse after excuse after excuse, until they are rightfully sacked. Happened with Moyes, happened with LVG, happened with Mourinho, and the same old excuses are still popping up again.
How are you so sure that Ole is any different from the others? Because from where I'm standing, it's still more of the same old shite, with excuses to match.
Jose?
Try to list me the top 10 of our best football post SAF or even top 20 just to help Jose’s supporter/Ole‘s outer, I bet you will struggle to even think any matches from Jose. The only one I can think of is the city 3-2 game. That’s it. Ole is miles better, he’s more suitable for us than the other two.
#10 English Football League Cup 4th Round, 2016-17
Score: 1 – 0
Mata 54’
After defeats to Manchester City and Watford in September and a 4-0 thrashing of the Red Devils at Stamford Bridge in the Premier League, pressure mounted on Mourinho to produce results and win the confidence of the fans again.
Jose Mourinho delivered by defeating the noisy neighbors and his own rival Pep Guardiola in the EFL Cup 4th Round tie at Old Trafford with Mata scoring the only goal in the match, beating Caballero in the goal. Mourinho apologized to the fans after the match while going into the tunnel for the 4-0 defeat by Chelsea 3 days ago.
#9 Juventus vs Manchester United: November 7, 2018
Champions League, 2018-19
Score: 1 – 2
Ronaldo 65’, Mata 86’, Bonucci 90’ (OG)
After a mixed start to the 2018-19 season, Manchester United found themselves in a very difficult situation while qualifying for the Champions League knock-out stages. With only 4 points out of possible 9 in the first three group matches against Young Boys, Valencia, and Juventus, United faced fierce competition from Valencia for 2nd position in the group.
United went to Turin to face one of the Champions League’s favorites who had recently signed Cristiano Ronaldo from Real Madrid. In a match dominated by Juventus where Ronaldo scored a stunning volley to put Juventus 1-0 up, Mata scored a sensational free kick late in the 2nd half to equalize. Ashley Young’s free-kick found its way into the net due to Bonucci’s deflection and United turned the tie around by scoring 2 goals in the last 5 minutes.
This match put United in a strong position to qualify for the knock-out stages and would be remembered for Mourinho’s celebration where he cupped his ear towards the home fans responding to their chants against him.
#8 Crystal Palace vs Manchester United: March 5, 2018
Premier League, 2017-18
Score: 2 – 3
Townsend 11’, Aanholt 48’, Smalling 55’, Lukaku 76’, Matic 90+1’
Jose Mourinho celebrates a win.
A match which looked to be an easy win for United turned out to be one of the most challenging and difficult ones of the season. Crystal Palace put themselves two goals up thanks to the goals from Townsend and Aanholt. It seemed almost impossible to attain a victory for the reds at this point.
United leveled the game with a header from Smalling and a goal from Lukaku. It seemed the match would end up in a draw but then Matic in the extra time scored a goal from outside of the box which turned out to be United’s goal of the season and completed an incredible comeback for United.
#7 Manchester United vs Newcastle United: October 6, 2018
Premier League, 2018-19
Score: 3 – 2
Kenedy 7’, Muto 10’, Mata 70’, Martial 76’, Sanchez 90’
Rumors were all over Manchester and England that Mourinho would be sacked irrespective of the result of the match against Newcastle United at Old Trafford. Jose Mourinho’s job was on the line because of a poor start to the 2018-19 season.
Manchester United found themselves nowhere in the game and two early goals from Kenedy and Muto laid a difficult road ahead for Mourinho and his boys. Mourinho and United’s players ran into the tunnel during the half time which would turn into one of the most important half time talks in Mourinho’s career.
United changed the tactics with Pogba playing from the back and Sanchez coming on as a substitute later in the 2nd half. An incredible free kick from Mata and Martial scoring a goal from a back-heel assist from Pogba leveled the reds with the Magpies. Alexis Sanchez’s header in the extra time secured an important victory for United and Mourinho, proving who the comeback kings are.
#6 Manchester United vs Southhampton: February 6, 2017
English Football League Cup Final, 2016-17
Score: 3 – 2
Ibrahimovic (2) 19’, 87’, Lingard 38’, Gabbiadini (2) 45+1’, 48’
The first major trophy final that United faced during Mourinho in charge. United visited Wembley to face Southampton in the EFL Cup final. United was cruising on to the victory thanks to goals from Ibrahimovic and Lingard in the 1st half. Ibrahimovic scored a free kick in the final proving his worth and Jesse Lingard continued his fine record of scoring at the Wembley.
The match was not over too soon when Southampton’s Gabbiadini scored two goals on either side of half time leveling the scoreline. Southampton had some good chances in the second half but Zlatan proved his class again by scoring a header late in the 2nd half assisted by Ander Herrera and winning the cup for United and 24th major title for Jose Mourinho
#5 Manchester United vs Liverpool: March 10, 2018
Premier League, 2017-18
Score: 2 – 1
Rashford (2) 14’, 24, Bailly 66’ (OG)
The last three meetings between both the sides ended in draws with only two goals scored in between them. With a fierce battle for top 4 this season, this match was very crucial for both the sides.
On one hand, United looked stable with their 2nd position in the Premier League table while on the other hand, Liverpool was flying with one of the best attacking trios in the Premier League of Salah, Mane, and Firmino. Marcus Rashford scored two beautiful goals in the first half from the left wing and Mata almost added the third goal with an overhead kick which went a little wide of the post.
The game was open again when Eric Bailly deflected Sadio Mane’s cross into United goal scoring an own goal. Liverpool gave United some difficult moments in the last quarter of the intense game but United saw through and strengthened their position to stay in the top four.
#4 Arsenal vs Manchester United: December 2, 2017
Premier League, 2017-18
Score: 1 – 3
Valencia 4’, Lingard (2) 11’, 63’, Lacazette 49’
A match that can be known as the day David De Gea proved again who the best goalkeeper in the world was. This match had everything, the intense rivalry between Arsene Wenger and Jose Mourinho, counter-attacking goals and the maximum saves by any goalkeeper in a match.
United put themselves 0-2 up after early goals from Valencia and Lingard. Arsenal scored the next goal finding their way into the game but they found it impossible to put the ball past David De Gea. The third goal from Lingard killed the match and it was Mourinho again who came out on top at the Emirates.
United only had possession of 25% in the match but still managed to find the back of the net 3 times. The highlight of the match was De Gea’s double save against shots from Lacazette and Sanchez who in the end saved 14 shots, highest by any goalkeeper in a match.
#3 Manchester vs Chelsea: April 16, 2017
Premier League, 2016-17
Score: 2 – 0
Rashford 7’, Herrera 49’
A match that can be called as Mourinho Masterclass. Chelsea, under Antonio Conte, was unstoppable, winning back to back Premier League games, but that could not continue when they visited Old Trafford.
Mourinho had already lost twice against his former club, first the 4-0 thrashing at the Stamford Bridge in the Premier League and another a 1-0 defeat in the FA cup in the current season. Mourinho deployed Ander Herrera to man-mark Chelsea’s, Eden Hazard.
With a man of the match performance from Ander Herrera where he set up the first goal for Marcus Rashford and scored another in the 2nd half, United dominated Chelsea throughout the match. Jose Mourinho finally found a victory against his former club and was praised within the footballing community for his tactics during the match, calling it a Mourinho Masterclass.
#2 Manchester United vs Chelsea: February 25, 2018
Premier League, 2017-18
Score: 2 – 1
Willian 32’, Lukaku 39’, Lingard 75’
Mourinho is known for his mind games throughout his illustrious career and this match turned out to be one of the best mind games he ever played. With intense comments over each other in the press conferences leading to this match, the mood was on for both the Chelsea and United’s fans.
Conte pointed out Mourinho’s celebrations in the past resembling clown like behavior but Jose won the battle in the press when he reminded Conte of his suspension due to charges of match-fixing during his time in Italy. The match was eagerly looked on by everyone in the footballing world.
Willian put past one against De Gea in the near post and Conte’s celebration was to be seen. Mourinho, on the other hand, stood calmly on the touchline. Lukaku equalized for United just after 7 minutes and both the teams went into the half time scoring one goal each. There were chances for both the teams in the second half but it was Jesse Lingard who scored a header from a cross by Lukaku. United was 2-1 up and this time also Mourinho stood calmly on the touchline.
During the extra time after 90 minutes, Mourinho could not control his emotions and signaled the crowd to support and create an atmosphere. Mourinho came on the top against Conte and his mind games, indeed worked.
#1 Manchester City vs Manchester United: April 7, 2018
Premier League, 2017-18
Score: 2 – 3
Kompany 25’, Gundogan 30’, Pogba (2) 53’, 55’, Smalling 69’
Unarguably the best, the most emotional and thrilling match that the Reds witnessed under Jose Mourinho. Manchester City was having the season of their life and was one win away from winning the Premier League title. This match turned out to be against Manchester United at their very own Etihad.
Pep Guardiola’s team didn’t give a slight chance for Jose Mourinho’s men to get into the match in the first half. The Reds went 2-0 down just in 30 minutes with goals from Kompany and Gundogan. Etihad was on fire, with the chants of Manchester being blue and expecting City to win the title in the next 45 minutes when both the teams went into the half time. With the special one saying ‘we don’t want to be the clowns watching them lift the title’ to his players at half time, the team was a totally different one when they came to play in the second half.
Paul Pogba scored two goals in two minutes to level the score. The fans in the away stand in Etihad were on their feet, the game was on. When Chris Smalling scored the third goal beating Ederson in the goal, the comeback was complete, with United leading with 2-3. An excellent save from David De Gea against Aguero’s header at the end of the match saw United win over City and The Special One had spoiled Pep Guardiola’s and Manchester City’s title party.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/manchester-united-s-top-ten-matches-with-jose-mourinho-sstl/5
@Norman Brownbutter I thought you'd written all of that out before I seen the link at the end 
The EL Final when we beat Ajax 2-0. We still have not won anything. Jose won three trophies including the Charity. LVG won the FA Cup. Jose's last half a season was a disaster but the other two seasons he won and had us in 2nd place. ( At the end of the season). We have not ended the season yet so Ole can mathematically still win the PL and the EL too.
Milan aside, he tends to do this all the time.
What is this for?Even some of those memorable results were achieved in totally forgettable matches. We were heavily outplayed against Juventus, and even against Southampton in the league cup final we looked more likely to concede a third than score one.
You asked for a top ten. You got a top ten. I inferred a focus to the Jose years, so that why its Joses top ten. Not a post say top ten. If we are comparing post SAF managers, then we are no better off under Ole. In fact we are worse as we don't have the three trophies that Jose got or the one trophy that LVG got in the same time frame. The number are all around the same. The table position looks good, but it could be argued that its flattering to us because of the performance struggles of other teams.
the question is a valid one. And the answer to that question is no, we are no better off and I would argue that we are not playing better football even though we have arguably better players.
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I asked top 10 best football post SAF, it is different to top 10 matches with Mourinho that you posted. Irrelevant to the question and debate.
If you have two choices between A) to make progress in 3 seasons to build the team to win EPL/UCL in the 4th season but zero trophy before the 4th season or B) to win Mickey Mouse like EFL Cup & EL Cup only but going downhill in 3rd season and need to rebuild everything again. Which one would you choose? I choose A all day because it’s better.
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But we haven't made progress. Thats the point that you are missing. And dissing cups is a pretty weird thing to do, when we were talking about Poch the number one reason for not getting him was "He wasn't won anything.". A cup is a cup. If its that "Mickey Mouse" that implies its not hard to get. And if that's the case, then even more damning on Ole that he can't get one.
You asked the question. You made it relevant.
We are already 12 points better than last season in 28th games and even better is that we didn’t sign a single player (may be Cavani) to upgrade our XI so we achieve this progress with almost the same players as last season. So how haven’t we make the progress? We are getting better than the previous season and the squad is much more promising for long term.
There is no logic to sack Ole and replace him with Poch last year if what he does will be the same with what Ole is doing, right? If we are going to sack Ole then get someone who will do better not someone who hasn’t been proven to do better.
Dissing Mickey mouse cups is not weird because we are Manchester United, our aim is to win major trophies like EPL & UCL. If we win those Mickey Mouse cups but at the same still on the right track with our project to win EPL & UCL, fine by me and I can’t dissing the Mickey Mouse. But the focus should be on the project and the point is we are still on the right track with our project under Ole but not under Jose. So can you answer the question that I asked, which one would you choose, A or B?
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It’s miles better, Jose was just shite while LVG you could go to sleep wake up and we’d still be passing side to side. Once we’ve got a few good signing Ole will be winning titles 100%
Ive already answered this, so Ill refer you to my earlier post.
I was referring to when Jose was on his way out, before Ole arrived.
Again, if Mickey Mouse cups are so inferior, then why can't Ole win one?
2020-21 (Manager - Ole Gunnar Solskjaer)
After 27 Premier League games, United have:
- 51 points
- a +21 goal difference
- are 14 points behind the top of table
Compared to:
2014/15 (Manager - Louis Van Gaal)
After 27 Premier League games, United had:
- 50 points
- a +20 goal difference
- were 13 points behind the top of the table
2015/16 (Manager - Louis Van Gaal)
After 27 Premier League games, United had:
- 44 points
- a +10 goal difference
- were 12 points behind the top of the table
2016-17 (Manager - Jose Mourinho)
After 27 Premier League games played, United had:
- 50 points
- a +17 goal difference
- were 16 points behind the top of the table
2017-18 (Manager - Jose Mourinho)
After 27 Premier League games played, United had:
- 56 points
- a +32 goal difference
- were 16 points behind the top of the table
Trophies won at Man United after 26.5 months at the club (the length of time Ole has now been there):
Van Gaal (1)
- FA Cup (2016)
- FA Community Shield (2016)
- EFL Cup (2017)
- UEFA Europa League (2017)
Im failing to see the progress youre talking about.
I don't agree or disagree with your posts (well I didn't read the argument) but this is wrong or unfair. Maybe doesn't make much difference but you are comparing to a team that played extra game. When both played same number of games the gap was 11 points. After that City played Southampton which they won. All teams have game in hand now.
You answer nothing to my question but only made statement of ‘’we haven’t made progress’‘ which not answering any of my questions.
Why are you referring to that? He was still spurs manager and he was unavailable.
Because the objective is not to build a team to win ordinary or Mickey Mouse cups but to build a team to win the major trophies like EPL/UCL.
To Achieve Extraordinary, You Have To Sacrifice The Ordinary. Have you ever heard that before?
“There can be no progress, no achievement, without sacrifice, and a man’s worldly success will be in the measure that he sacrifices.”
-James Allen,
Again, the objective is not to build a team to win ordinary or Mickey Mouse cups but to build a team to win the major trophies like EPL/UCL.
Your failure to see progress is down to your ignorance to fact that Mourinho and LVG weren’t on the right track with our objectibe while Ole is still on the right track with our objective.
This is why I asked you a very valid question and you need to answer it, don’t ignore it so you can see the progress. If you have two choices between A) to make progress in 3 seasons to build the team to win EPL/UCL in the 4th season but zero trophy before the 4th season or B) to win Mickey Mouse like EFL Cup & EL Cup only but going downhill in 3rd season and need to rebuild everything again. Which one would you choose A or B?
Jose got defenders and paid big money to sign them too. Before market exploded, Lindelof and Bailly were among top 5-10 CBs in transfer fee.
Jose got whole new team except couple of positions, he had Shaw in that position and he was too much of a twat to see how ridiculously talented Shaw was. He had Rashford and Martial for the other position, 2 very good young players.
He even got whole new midfield and attack.
Im comparing each manager after 27 PL games. Im not sure what's unfair here? Where are you getting the extra game from?
Why 27 when we have played 28 games?
His football is way more entertaining. LVG went from side to side to no effect. Jose went backwards. Moyes just thrashed like a dying giraffe.
I don't think he is a great coach but I'd rather him than any of them.
I don't think he is a great coach but I'd rather him than any of them.
Similar weaknesses are apparent in all these different managers squads. The defending from a set-piece is a massive worry that just won't fix, the lack of a right-sided outlet, no consistent striker and the lack of speed in transition.
Actually I did.
Why wouldn't I refer to it since it was the point that people claimed he wasn't good enough for us on the basis that he hadn't won anything. Is availability doesn't come into it.
Yeah, that doesn't really work here, mate. We are in all comps. If we can't win the shit, how can we win the gravy?
Our objective is to win. I don't see any trophies in Oles managerial cabinet. I see a lot of excuses. But no silverware.
I reject the premise of the question on the grounds it assumes these are the only options. The options aren't Jose or Ole. The question also assumes Ole is one over the other. Which I reject as the football he plays if boring, not unlike the same boring efforts given out by LVG and Jose. So the question is, based on all that's been said already, if they weren't good enough for us, and Ole is performing at the very best, on par. Then why is Ole good enough?
Your question is not applicable if Norman doesnt think there is progress. Its more like A) win nothing or B) win mickey mouse cups.
How about what would pick between these 2 scenarios 1) Sack ole win the treble next year or 2) stick with ole and never win anything ever again.
I'm not Ole out but you cant just strawman your way out of the discussion whether Ole's football is better than his predecessors with an imaginary scenario. The stats provided show we are not that different in terms of effectiveness.
I think we have shown progress. At least we can string a run of wins and have shown long periods of title winning form. Its just when we look bad we are in almost relegation form. Arguably its burn out and if ole got a better squad and less reliant on the same starting 11 (I acknowledge partly his fault) we can mitigate the lull periods.
Absolutely. Not even a doubt. Whether that is enough or not, is another question though.
Because I can't be bothered doing the legwork again for one extra game. I posted this info previously in the thread, and copy pasted it for the current interaction.
I mean, if I was to really being unfair I would take us all back to the 27 games that followed that night in Paris. And how we keep following the same pattern of inconsistency in our gameplay and results. 7 wins out of 27 games spread over two season in all comps. I find that very hard to over look when we are talking about a guy that got relegated from the PL and then sacked from the championship because he couldn't hack it there either.
Shame you didn't post the info after around 20-21 games when we were at the top and used that as the table for your argument.
IMO he isn't good enough to win titles and there are so many points to use against him but people still use selective stats/tables.
Anyways was just curious to know why you didn't use table after 28 games. You guys can carry on. Good day.
Ole has been brilliant. He inherited a shitshow from the biggest diva in football. Lindelof, Fred, Pogba, Martial, Shaw and even Rashford were all out of favour with Jose, all with destroyed confidence and labelled not good enough and expected to be shipped out . Ole has done brilliantly to slowly get them back on track and enjoying their football again.
Ole tried very hard to sign Sancho, Haaland, Bellingham etc but it's very hard these days to sign the players you want.
Ole faces the same dilema each game, does he play with 2 defensive style midfielders in central mid which compromises our attack, or will he bring in Pogba for McT or Fred and compromise our defense. There's no question Ole would love a Carrick/Keane/Scholes to control central mid, but so hard to find those kinds of players these days and the board will not spend until there are outgoings first, which is hard considering the wages Pogba is on etc.
Things were poor under Fergie until he slowly got the players he needed, and until academy gems started to mature.
LVG is not even in this conversation, a disastrous dinosaur who should never have been anywhere near the club.
In Garner and Van de Beek, Ole will hope both these players can become major forces in the PL. Scott McT may also kick on and has huge potential but so far seems to lack some skills that the very best central midfielders have. A manager is often only as good as his players, and Ole is absolutely getting the best out of a squad that is lacking in certain areas.
Ole tried very hard to sign Sancho, Haaland, Bellingham etc but it's very hard these days to sign the players you want.
Ole faces the same dilema each game, does he play with 2 defensive style midfielders in central mid which compromises our attack, or will he bring in Pogba for McT or Fred and compromise our defense. There's no question Ole would love a Carrick/Keane/Scholes to control central mid, but so hard to find those kinds of players these days and the board will not spend until there are outgoings first, which is hard considering the wages Pogba is on etc.
Things were poor under Fergie until he slowly got the players he needed, and until academy gems started to mature.
LVG is not even in this conversation, a disastrous dinosaur who should never have been anywhere near the club.
In Garner and Van de Beek, Ole will hope both these players can become major forces in the PL. Scott McT may also kick on and has huge potential but so far seems to lack some skills that the very best central midfielders have. A manager is often only as good as his players, and Ole is absolutely getting the best out of a squad that is lacking in certain areas.
If you want to make this healthy discussion then prove me wrong by showing me your answers, if you haven’t then I am right that you haven’t answer it so you need to answer the questions not ignoring them and trying to make things complicated. As fellow red cafe users, we want to help each other so we can have understanding with our view not trying to winding up others.
Because lot of people made that claim last year when Poch was available due to we still have Ole. The claim was not made by lot of people when Jose was in his way out, thus why you had no reason to refer it to that ‘’period’’.
Of course it does, Klopp was trophyless for 3 seasons with Liverpool before he won his EPL or UCL, if he couldn’t win the shit in those 3 years, how did he win UCL/EPL? Because To Achieve Extraordinary, You Have To Sacrifice The Ordinary.
It’s also not coincidence the season when we were out of top 4 under Jose & LVG were when we won the FA, EL, EFL but when we made top 4 was when we won nothing.
This is where you are wrong, the objective is not to build a team to win ordinary or Mickey Mouse cups but to build a team to win the major trophies like EPL/UCL and it will take time (for example 4 years) and sacrifices (for example the Mickey mouses).
At least good to know that you finally acknowledged that the football is better than LVG & Jose which shows the top 10 Mourinho football that you listed is irrelevant to my question about top 10 best football post SAF.
The football Solskjaer has displayed has been poor.
Irrespective of Mourinho / LVG, Ole's is not good enough and a clear reason we will continue to have lapses of consistency when it comes to our performances over a period of time. The aspect that works best for Solskjaer is despite how awful the team plays, the results have been amicably decent.
We will not win any knockout competition or the league under this current coaching staff I think that's a given. Maybe the Europa League due to the drop of quality but we don't perform well enough to carry momentum throughout the majority of matches.
Irrespective of Mourinho / LVG, Ole's is not good enough and a clear reason we will continue to have lapses of consistency when it comes to our performances over a period of time. The aspect that works best for Solskjaer is despite how awful the team plays, the results have been amicably decent.
We will not win any knockout competition or the league under this current coaching staff I think that's a given. Maybe the Europa League due to the drop of quality but we don't perform well enough to carry momentum throughout the majority of matches.
Well, I could have. But it wasn't the topic of conversation at that point.
After 21 games:
14/15 season 37pts
15/16 season 34pts
16/17 season 40pts
17/18 season 44pts
19/20 season 31pts
20/21 season 41pts
After 28 games
14/15 season 53pts
15/16 season 47pts
16/17 season 51pts
17/18 season 59pts
19/20 season 42pts
20/21 season 53pts
In the 7 games between with 21 its on the table
14/15 season we took 16
15/16 season we took 13
16/17 season we took 11
17/18 season we took 15
19/20 season we took 11
20/21 season we took 12
So its not that different a picture really. And the point isn't that Ole is shit. The point is that if Jose and LVG weren't good enough for us, then why is Ole good enough with similar stats and less silverware?
But you don't care about that. And I will respect youre wishes not to be dragged into this. Im about ready to bow out anyway. Have good night, bud.
I think you misread me, chief. Im not saying the football is better. Its not that different, and its still mostly boring.
At least good to know you cannot longer deny that you haven’t answer the question, you are wrong about our objective and you are wrong about To Achieve Extraordinary, You Have To Sacrifice The Ordinary doesn’t work here.
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We had 8 defensive players out there at some point and people have the cheek to say this is better than Jose and LvG
You‘re a disgrace
You‘re a disgrace
The OPs post.
Did you read OPs first post? Be honest. I have quoted here for reference.
The OP didn’t qualify his question as relating to Mou’s first season. I watched all 2.5 seasons of MOU and I have watched since Ole took over and it’s not even in the same ball park in terms of quality of football, building for the future or the feeling I get that the club is heading in the right direction.
Ole is better than Jose and LVG.
Jose is crazy with his defensive park bus tactics. It's ridiculous because Man Utd has always been an attacking side so his defensive style totally destroy the spirit of the team. His insistence to play big players like Fellaini, Lukaku and Matic slowed down the team.
LVG is also crazy with his possessive style of football. He also destroyed the core of the team when he sold off Chicharito, RVP, Evra, Vidic and others. Ridiculous. The players he bought in were actually decent players like Shaw, Martial, Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Falcao, Depay etc but somehow a spell was cast on them and most of them took a long time to perform well and most left the club and performed well.
Ole is the only one who understands the United Way.
Jose is crazy with his defensive park bus tactics. It's ridiculous because Man Utd has always been an attacking side so his defensive style totally destroy the spirit of the team. His insistence to play big players like Fellaini, Lukaku and Matic slowed down the team.
LVG is also crazy with his possessive style of football. He also destroyed the core of the team when he sold off Chicharito, RVP, Evra, Vidic and others. Ridiculous. The players he bought in were actually decent players like Shaw, Martial, Blind, Herrera, Di Maria, Falcao, Depay etc but somehow a spell was cast on them and most of them took a long time to perform well and most left the club and performed well.
Ole is the only one who understands the United Way.
The A & B isn't the question that we were referring to, that's different one. This (below) question is what he was referring to and he said he has answered based on the earlier post. It is an applicable question that shouldn't be avoided.
Are those scenarios even realistic? People are underestimating the process to reach our objective and start hoping for unrealistic thing and instant solution. Prime example is obviously from the choice of sacking Ole and win treble next year. The objective is to win major trophies like PL & UCL, by to do so, we need to build the squad and it will take time and sacrifice.
Are we still on the right track in our project/objective? Yes
Are we showing progress to achieve that project/objective? Yes
“There can be no progress, no achievement, without sacrifice, and a man’s worldly success will be in the measure that he sacrifices.”
-James Allen,
How have so many United fans fell for the Liverpool and Man City points total propaganda.
I like Ole,the culture reset he brought with him and the counter attacks,there is just one problem,what do we do when there isn't space to counter attack, I think is were we are clearly lacking, you see a club like city and it's the intricate passing style with Liverpool(before now) it's the use of their fullbacks to create chances, both this sides have a clear and purposeful method of attacking at all times, we do when playing against teams that gives us space in behind outside that its about hoping Martial wins a pen or Rashford, Bruno or someone else comes up with some magic otherwise we become clueless,that's our biggest weakness and it's a huge one. If Ole can solve this he would be the perfect United manager otherwise it would eventually lead to his sacking
Well said. You cant load imaginary scenarios to win an argument.
There is no question the football, on the whole, is still just as shit as it was under LVG or Mourinho. There is also no question though there are signs that might not be the case for much longer if we get a better balanced squad - a proper defensive midfielder and sorting out the right side of attack must be priorities this summer. The fact is unless there is a complete freefall down the table, which is unlikely, Ole has a job for life under the Glazers.
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