So they believe getting the Jews back to Israel (which god promised them) will bring about the rapture and the end of days, which is the ultimate goal. So it's a means to an end - very cycnical.Really?? I've got very curious about how the American right wing can appease the antisemites and islamophobes in their base. Hadn't thought about this angle. How does it work?
'The Family' on Netflix is a great watch, it discusses how deep religion has pervaded our government.Really?? I've got very curious about how the American right wing can appease the antisemites and islamophobes in their base. Hadn't thought about this angle. How does it work?
More impetus to create an 'American Nationalism' thread.The consolidation of the religious Right in the US as a voting block and the Evangelical Apocalypticism is fascinating. And very relevant.
A different thread though?
Yeah, it doesn't.They frequently and increasingly exist side by side. The antisemitism is foundational to a lot of the anti gov militia types. Big government are inevitably the Jews, as are the Illuminati and the Marxists. It doesn't have to make sense.
But it's a bit different, right? Because Stephen Miller co-existed in the White House with Jared Kushner and others. But there weren't any Muslim officials that I remember (and I could be wrong).The ring wing base does however vary. There is an ethno-nationalist strain within it that is definitely anti-semetic. Obviously, being ethno-nationalist also requires one to reject muslims as well.
I think it aligns with the hysteria about their values being subverted in society, yes via immigration in a large part, and also their hysteria around the risk of terrorist attacks in the US.Maybe also because hating muslims aligns with the hysteria of their base about immigration? "We will not be replaced" The jews have been accused of many things over the years but mass immigration is not one of them (not recently anyway).
Anyhoo. Miles off topic. I'll shut up now.
There's like ten different threads that would already fit into. At the very least:More impetus to create an 'American Nationalism' thread.
More impetus to create an 'American Nationalism' thread.
What always fascinates me, is that people who believe in stuff like this, are also extremely rich and successful in everyday life. The amount of money people have to spend on week long QAnon and flat earth conferences, blows my mind.Watched one documentary few days ago, and yes you are correct and yes they also really believe it will help bring Jesus back.
Fascinating (well, not sure that's the right word) is this world in which we are living.
Alex Jones (which is as good a barometer as any of the American insanity soup) was threading that line in his recent shows covering the attacks. He made it about his personal grievances (namely Jewish fans accosting him at the airport but not writing at the ADL to defend him ? Literally said "What are you doing to help me lately") but he reverted back to isolationism (leave us -"white Christians" left unsaid- alone) which I think is accurate : Please stay over there and kill each other far away from me. Which is also the only way you can pander to Evangelicals (who only see Israel as a necessary step to Jesus second coming, and Jews as tools) and Patriot types ranting about the ZOG.Really?? I've got very curious about how the American right wing can appease the antisemites and islamophobes in their base. Hadn't thought about this angle. How does it work?
Really?? I've got very curious about how the American right wing can appease the antisemites and islamophobes in their base. Hadn't thought about this angle. How does it work?
I forgot about that, watched it in lockdown. Was a surreal watch.'The Family' on Netflix is a great watch, it discusses how deep religion has pervaded our government.
I'm aware, just wishful thinking on my part.There's like ten different threads that would already fit into. At the very least:
US Politics
The New low (I.) Q. Republicans and Ted Cruz
The Culture Wars
The Maga Cult & Fascism
2021 American Civil War
The White Supremacist Terrorist Threat
It was a tad facetious, @nimic correctly points out that we have a plethora of threads for such posting.I think you might be a good candidate.
Don't mind him. I want one on the religious right. He's zero fun.It was a tad facetious, @nimic correctly points out that we have a plethora of threads for such posting.
Around 15 times in this thread I believe.
Which is not a good sign whether posters are actually following the thread and not simply scampering in here to post the latest interesting tweet in their feed.Around 15 times in this thread I believe.
Slow mode for twitter postings (think emoji)Which is not a good sign whether posters are actually following the thread and not simply scampering in here to post the latest interesting tweet in their feed.
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Retaliation for what ? She's a comedian expressing an opinion, just like the guy in the Piers Morgan video (who is apparently based in the US as well).Tweet
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I suppose there won't be any retaliation or widespread condemnation for supporting war crimes against Palestinians right? I can only imagine what the reaction would've been had someone defended Hamas' atrocities.
Very true. Don't know which exact documentary this was as am kind of gliding through them last few days but it also mentions how much money some evangelical churches raised for Israel (aside from every day lobbying in Washington) in attempt to further empower Israel. For example, just one church raised around 70 million USD in last 20 years or so.What always fascinates me, is that people who believe in stuff like this, are also extremely rich and successful in everyday life. The amount of money people have to spend on week long QAnon and flat earth conferences, blows my mind.
Actually yes. Soros & "jews" have been accused repeatedly by some far right conspiration theorists of organising the ”White genocide”Maybe also because hating muslims aligns with the hysteria of their base about immigration? "We will not be replaced" The jews have been accused of many things over the years but mass immigration is not one of them (not recently anyway).
Anyhoo. Miles off topic. I'll shut up now.
Very much depends on who you ask.Without having time to catch-up on all the posts here, is the consensus now that the hospital blast is likely to have been accidental friendly-fire from a Palestinian rocket?
An opinion that 2 million people should suffer hunger and death because of a terrorist organization. How is that different from saying the Israelis deserved to die because of their governments atrocities against Palestinians? What reaction do you think that would get in the US?Retaliation for what ? She's a comedian expressing an opinion, just like the guy in the Piers Morgan video (who is apparently based in the US as well).
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I suppose there won't be any retaliation or widespread condemnation for supporting war crimes against Palestinians right? I can only imagine what the reaction would've been had someone defended Hamas' atrocities.
Surely it's fair to say that the balance of neutral opinion is now that it was probably a failed IJ rocket. Each side then divides according to their prior sympathies.Very much depends on who you ask.
To be honest I don't think we will ever get any more information about it than we have been given so far. Which I a real shame. This is mainly because the actual site has not been secured for proper analysis.
So, those who sympathise with either side will have already made their minds up.
Maybe there is the silver bullet out there. Still early days I guess.
She's speaking to Israel's role in supplying assistance to Gaza, not that the people there shouldn't receive it from other sources (there is apparently a lot of aid either going into Gaza or ready to enter at Rafa now).An opinion that 2 million people should suffer hunger and death because of a terrorist organization. How is that different from saying the Israelis deserved to die because of their governments atrocities against Palestinians? What reaction do you think that would get in the US?
Jesus, that is an awful take. You certainly can blame Hamas for the lack of resources and infrastructure, but this is just a barbaric statement.Tweet
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I suppose there won't be any retaliation or widespread condemnation for supporting war crimes against Palestinians right? I can only imagine what the reaction would've been had someone defended Hamas' atrocities.
I get her point, but it tracks horribly, considering what we know about the state of Gaza and explicitly using it as a quid pro quo with Hamas.She's speaking to Israel's role in supplying assistance to Gaza, not that the people there shouldn't receive it from other sources (there is apparently a lot of aid either going into Gaza or ready to enter at Rafa now).
This isn't about Israel supplying assistance, Israel flat out said they won't allow ANYTHING to come in and out of Gaza. She is perfectly fine with Israel keeping that status if hostages are not returned. She is perfectly fine with Palestinans dying because of Hamas. Nothing different from someone saying Israelis deserved to die. Ofcourse nothing is going to happen to her because you won't have a gang of lobbies baying for her to be sacked.She's speaking to Israel's role in supplying assistance to Gaza, not that the people there shouldn't receive it from other sources (there is apparently a lot of aid either going into Gaza or ready to enter at Rafa now).
I don't think that's what that report says, more that there isn't a clear picture of what happened and highlighting the changing narrative from Israel.Al Jazeera have released a very good video following an investigation by their digital team to say they can see no grounds to the claims that it was a failed rocket launch.
They see multiple Israeli strikes in the preceding minutes in that part of Gaza, and they are adamant that all of the rockets launched in Gaza were intercepted by iron dome… including the one that has been suggested to have malfunctioned. They say the video shows that it was successfully intercepted and broken up in the sky.
Can't find fault with anything in this article. Thanks for sharing.Thought this was a great read and spot on.
Gaza could Have Been Singapore. Hamas Turned It Into ISIS | Opinion
BASSEM EID
PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST
ON 10/9/23 AT 10:41 AM EDT
Sometimes, on happier days, I like to comment on the remarkable similarities between Singapore and the Gaza Strip. Both are self-governing city-states located at key crossroads of world trade on the opposite ends of the Continent of Asia. Both combine density of population with a significant urban buildup and dramatic natural advantages, including a high-quality harbor. And yet, due to differences in civil culture and governance, Singapore has been built into the trade hub of East Asia. Gaza, as Saturday's events have demonstrated to the world, has chosen another path: becoming a terrorist dystopia like the benighted lands formerly under ISIS.
What is Gaza like under the rule of the terrorist group Hamas? Hamas's Taliban-like mini-emirate is a brutal tinpot dictatorship where LGBTQ+ people and anyone living other than a strictly Islamic lifestyle lives under terrible repression. This reality may help us understand the insanity and brutality of the organization that just conducted a wild, self-destructive raid into southern Israel, leaving a horrific trail of rape and torture in their wake as they perpetrated the worst massacre of civilians in the history of Israel.
During this Saturday's attack, Hamas's monstrous tactics included killing indiscriminately in the towns they occupied, using rape as a weapon of war, and taking hostages—including young women, the elderly, and young children. Many have drawn comparisons to ISIS tactics in Iraq and Syria, where women from non-Muslim communities like the Yezidis were parceled out as sex slaves to fighters; thousands of those women were trafficked and remain unaccounted for to this day.
Similarly, at a huge dance-all-night "Peace Festival" outside Kibbutz Re'im, at least 250 young Israelis were murdered, while dozens of young women have been taken captive. In one widely-shared video, the half-stripped body of an unconscious female was driven around the streets of Gaza in an open-bed truck with one leg splayed at an unnatural angle as men disgraced and spat on her.
This is the violence that Hamas has implicitly sworn to commit in its very founding charter, which states, "[Hamas] strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine... Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it."
It bears repeating that there is no moral equivalency between a nation that targets murderous terrorists and a terror group that targets civilians.
One obvious difference between Hamas and Israel is that Israel could never attack a music festival in Gaza—because music in public is illegal there. More importantly, Israel goes to a great deal of trouble to avoid causing civilian casualties or harming the mosques, schools, and medical facilities where Hamas hides military targets.
In contrast, just listen to the chilling message of 22-year-old paramedic Amit Maan, hiding in the clinic where she worked, with automatic fire in the background, before her phone went dead: "Please make it stop, please make it stop... Where is the army?"
What kind of consequences will Hamas's actions bring to Gaza? Israel has vowed a "mighty vengeance," and there is already discussion of a long war and a possible Israeli ground invasion of Gaza. Some have even suggested that Israel end the rule of Hamas over the strip.
We have seen this movie before. As Israel clears the remaining terrorists from its territory and pushes forward into the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, Hamas plans to use their own people and the surviving Israeli hostages as human shields as they have done time and again. Callow media personalities may start to forget the horrors of yesterday and return to simplistic tropes about the "cycle of violence."
Israel, a thriving democracy with vigorous internal debates, is now staunchly united to bring its citizens and family members home. In Gaza, the opposite is true: Free speech is vigorously crushed, and the people yearn to breathe free of Hamas rule.
For the sake of both the Israeli victims and he Palestinian people, I urge you, dear reader, not to forget the faces of the fallen and the kidnapped.
Bassem Eid is a Palestinian human rights activist.
https://www.newsweek.com/gaza-could-have-been-singapore-hamas-turned-it-isis-opinion-1833145
For the last bit, would these reparations involve, for example, support of apartheid South Africa invading a black neighbour or Bantustan whose people had participated in the slave trade? Otherwise I'm *really* struggling to see the parallel, since I specifically used the word "transferring".You're annoyed by Germany's obvious desire to do everything possible to side with Israel/Jews, to try and make up for the terrible wrongs they did in the past?
This sentence is interesting:
I wonder if you would ever use that phrase about reparations for slave trading, or colonialism?
Israel National News: The AfD surge in Germany is good for Jews and Israel
The German right-wing party Alternative for Germany (AfD) won an absolute majority in local elections for the first time ever. The government-funded German Jewish Council was appalled, but AfD is the most pro-Israel party in Germany.
So what does it mean when a far-right party that is opposed to collective guilt, is more Catholic than the Pope when it comes to their policy towards Israel? My suggestion (also in that post) is this uber-hawkish policy is a transfer, rather than acknowledgment.The party is pro-Israel.[14][204][205] AfD supported the decision of US president Donald Trump to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital
