Not true, the plan of an israel state was before
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It's true that most of the arab countries have given up on Palestine but they also don't want refugees there because Israel has a history of not letting them back, which has a big chance to happen this time. They also don't have the means to take in that much at once.
Jesus Christ, I've yet to find a german poster in this thread who's halfway educated about this topic and doesn't have an absolute nightmare. And I thought the one-sided coverage from the german media was bad enough
Feingefühl, Empathie, Wissen and ausgewogene Beurteilung der Lage sind echt nicht zu finden.
Thank you for the kind words. My point still stands. I’m aware that they have a very difficult time to came back. As I’ve pointed out at multiple occasions. I simply believe that they themselves are the ones who should make their decisions based on these considerations and no one else. So if they were to decide to flee, even though they can’t come back, it’s their decision to do so. Not yours. Same if they choose to stay.
I’m also aware that many countries in these regions do house plenty refugees (however nice of you it is to pretend I don’t, for whatever reasons). This doesn’t change their morale obligation to me. An obligation that obviously extends to the western world, which shares the responsibility to do everything possible to aid these suffering people.
Haven’t seen this kind of war in a long time, some serious old testament sodom and gommorrah shit
A bunch of them have dual nationality, perhaps they should leave and return when the threat is no more. For the average Palestinian, this land is all he has. And I have followed your posts , without a doubt I am astonished by your take on the refugee crisis and how to deal with it, your posts lack empathy and disregard for the rights of the Palestinians.
You would be surprised even some ex-military personnel said is impossible to get near the fence without all the alarms to go off. The prime minister wants more power and nothing better than a massacre to change people’s mind. I’m pro Israel but this doesn’t look right.Yes, the US wanted for Hamas to commit this attack.
I have absolutely no idea how you arrived at this conclusion. I have voiced nothing but the wish that the Palestinian people get provided with humanitarian aid and refuge. I have absolutely no idea how that constitutes a lack of empathy. But feel free to explain this to me.
All I said in the quoted post is that I understand how Israeli citizens can feel threatened and see Hamas as a threat to their existence. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Unless you see otherwise. So again, feel free to educate me.
Same Citizens harrasing and killing Palestinians in the westbank? One would think the Palestinans should be the ones afraid of existential threat
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I never claimed there is no existential threat towards Palestinians. So I really don’t understand the point you are trying to make.
He's one of the worst posters I've ever had the displeasure to read and I just can't access to his profile to put him on ignore and spare myself his drivel. Any way to solve this?
Sorry mate, I shouldn't have written that and even less make it a blanket statement.
Let's just agree to disagree and call it a day.
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Thanks a lot.
I can live with that. I would just like to point out that the views I shared in regards to Palestinian refugees are not at all exclusive to this war. It is a view I hold about all conflicts in general. I absolutely believe that it is every single countries obligation to do whatever it can, to alleviate the suffering of people who fell victim to conflicts of any kind. And neighboring countries even more so, as they are closest and therefore in a position to offer the best help. These countries, however, need support by the rest of the world and can't be left alone with this enormous task. It is not exclusive to what is happening right now. And I don't judge the countries, who in my eyes are failing to help Palestinian refugees, any more harshly than I judge others, who make the same mistakes in other situations. To me there simply is no valid reason not to take in refugees. Even if the people at fault for the need to flee are happy to see them gone.
I understand your point of view, and again I jumped in recklessly just to rant and took it out on you.
My emotions got the better of me and it's all on me.
That is pretty grim. Both sides (Israel and Hamas) are making it up as they go and the entire conflict is now in uncharted territory. The lack of a publicized Israeli strategy (other than to simply want to "get rid" of Hamas) is probably going to drag the trust in government numbers down even further over time. Even more so if the hostages don't come out of this alive.
No hard feelings. It is an highly emotional topic, after all.
I understand your point as well @HTG. And millons of Palestinians based in neighbouring countries proves it.
What is the problem with this? Hamas in Gaza attacked them, they want the population to leave so they can get to Hamas and reduce civilian casualties.
Hamas didn't give the Israelis any warning before they raped and butchered them in cold blood.
I dont know if it is true ir not what that tweet said, so i am basing this reply on "what is the problem? (If it were true)?": Are you fecking serious asking what is the proble. To deport 2.4 millions from a country that is not yours to a country thatvisbnot yours? Do you even think what you are posting? Do you know even the meaning of any of it? For any of this 2.4 millions? Do you think they will give them a condo, with a job, food, school, health care...WTF dude...everyone of your posts are ridiculous half cooked thoughts diattached of reality
You don’t see anything wrong with forcibly removing 2.4m of the native population out of their home and land? After already killing 7k of that population with 5k being women and kids? Are you for real?
So you call Gaza an "open air prison" and when Israel suggests leaving the "prison" to be safe from Hamas and Israeli bombs. They are the bad guys?
So what's better?
tell them to stay in Gaza while they bomb Hamas targets.
or
leave Gaza to be safe while they bomb Hamas targets
Leaving an open air prison to go to an open air prison with tents with a fraction of the already miserable life they have
What about stop bombing 3000 kids and women? Is not that stupod dichotomy
15 and 16 are devastating to read.
Short of no bombing at all, the ideal situation would've been to create a UN run facility just outside Gaza in the Egyptian Sinai where civilians could remain until hostilities are over. This would allow them to stay out of harms way and still be able to go back in immediately after the fighting stops without the need to repatriate them from other countries. Obviously Sisi, Hamas, and the Israelis would need to agree to something like this.
Exactly
if they were out of Gaza they wouldn't get caught up in the violence. That's the point of evacuating them.
The same way the British evacuated their children from major cities in WW2
Tell me of a single Palestinian refugee that was allowed to return to their home after leaving for their safety.
Here's a crazy idea. How about they just don't bomb a civilian population centre at all?
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That would be easily mitigated through an agreement among all parties before proceeding. The fact that they would be just outside Gaza would make it all the more easy to adhere to.
I've heard that Hamas leaders are annoyed at Hezbollah's lack of interest in fully jumping in (probably because they don't want to deal with the retaliation).
Yeah right, you think this Israeli government will ever allow them back in gaza? Surely you know that
The guy claims to be a proud communist and asks his users to pay $3 for his for profit Twitter premium content. God bless America. The grift is real.
As stated in my post above, it would need to be agreed to by all parties including the Israelis.
Like Oslo agreements? Camp David? I could go on and on. The State of Israel have shown they dont care about agreements and nobody will bring them to order.
Since the Oslo agreement, settlements have trippled