Unfortunately, the analogy doesn't quite do justice to the long term complexities of the situation (whether 10/7 or the preceding decades before).
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This is misinformation, any attempts of an assassination have been denied and the video shows a clash between Palestinian gangs, entirely unrelated to the Palestinian Authority.
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Displaced / orphaned children at Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza are having to hold a press conference about the living conditions they're in, and the constant bombardment as an appeal for clemency.
That's the world we're living in.
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So the plan is to fight in and clear Gaza City?
If so, then surely South Gaza is next? I don't see any way to "clear Gaza of Hamas" without the military going through every neighbourhood and district.
From what I've seen so far, it appears the plan is to cut off north and south Gaza, get as many civilians out as possible, then eliminate any Hamas resistance in the northern sector, neutralizing tunnels and freeing hostages along the way. Once complete, then begin gradually moving into the south.
The only leverage Hamas have at the moment are the hostages, but it seems the Israelis are more interested in getting rid of Hamas once and for all, than actually prioritizing the return of their own people. This may of course just be a propaganda talking point used by the Israelis to scare Hamas into giving them back.
They're obviously being instructed by Hamas militants
Well you hit all the buzzwords there, well done I guess.
Israel isn't analogous to an abusive husband.
I bring up an abusive husband as a counterexample. I believe the moral logic and principle of the post I was responding to is weak and does not hold up on its own. Instead, it is carried by unspoken judgments — that not everyone shares.
An abusive husband, on the other hand, is one example where we all share the same judgment. When we apply the same principle (and words, and phrases) to this example, it doesn't sound great. It sounds callous, at best.
Have you criticised the Israeli Governments consistent statements that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza?
And why will you not acknowledge the awful nature of your comments about why other countries won't take in more refugees? Could it be because those countries already host literally millions of refugees? Could it be because when refugees seem to leave this particular bit of land, it tends to be a one way exit?
Can you not see that this phrasing is exactly the same awful and anti semitic argument that's historically been used against Jewish people?
Of course, apologies the sarcasm of the first sentence didn't come out there.
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Yes, the IDF is very protective of the civilian population in Gaza.
The most sensible approach, although it will probably not happen without Israeli oversight as they're not likely to go through the trouble of removing Hamas from Gaza, only to mortgage their future security to the peacekeeping prowess of the UN.
Imagine any other country in the world do that, any country and do not get backlash. They have a free ticket to massacre civilians and international NGO workers with absolutely zero repercussions.
If you can not put UN peace force in the WB to prevent the terrorist settlers and the Israeli state from stealing their land, then get the feck off.
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Imagine living like that not only on your own land, no, but in your own fecking house, and then comes a philosopher with his donkey logic and fecked up reason trying to explain why it is not a viable option for two state.
It’s so fecked up. Then having to read about ‘extremist Palestinians’ being the problem on top of that.
Absolutely, I am more than happy and open to criticise the Israeli government regarding their dismissing of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. It serves only to dehumanise and justify the extremity of their response. Have I posted it here? No, because this thread is absolutely full of this sentiment already.
This response has come from me highlighting a vile interview where the leader of Hamas denied the killing of women, children and innocent people in Israel by Hamas terrorists. But apparently you can't do that without having to also dive into a plethora of whataboutism. My bad. I'll be sure to note Israeli atrocities whenever criticising Hamas and other extremist groups in the future.
And to your last point, no - you're the first to mention it. Actually, Palestinians are treated like shite in Egypt and in Jordan. Nowhere nearly as badly as by the Israelis but they are far from welcomed with open arms. I'm not fecking defending this, it's an additional branch to an already awful tree. One of the many reasons for this is because the governments in other countries are fearful of the spread of extremism that may come with this.
Are you honestly suggesting that Islamic Jihadist ideologies aren't an issue in Palestinian territories? Remind me again of the charters of both Hamas and the PIJ, and the regimes who support them?
For the record - I am incredibly critical of Israel. I think their current government poses immense threat to all in the region, including their own people. It's a government that needs to be moved on asap.
I also, however, think largely the same of the governing bodies in Gaza and the WB, and without the reinstating of new governments on all sides you won't have peace and you won't ever arrive at a two state solution, however distant it may feel now. But it's the only solution - one that includes the return of land to the Palestinians btw - that won't result in the mass extermination of huge swathes of peoples from both sides.
I'm genuinely sorry if any of this is offensive in any way, it's truly not my attention.
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The Palestinian heart & courage is unmatched.
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Another indefinite occupation.
Must have been tunnels under the Trucks.
Unnamed Hamas leader hiding under the bonnet?
As if the IDF knew whose Hamas and whose not. All they got to do is ditch their weapon, bring some gear and voila they're citizen.
They should create a good living conditions with good paycheck and healthy environment for Palestinians, that'll will greatly reduce the urge to become Hamas. All these bombings would only bolster Hamas number, maybe not immediately but everyone involved would likely resort to become the next Hamas
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Also, the occupying forces have a population registry with addresses and occupations
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I don't think many of the hysterical American journalists who were always talking about how "chilling" and "dangerous" it was when Trump called one of them a fat toad has said much about this.Tweet
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Also, the occupying forces have a population registry with addresses and occupations
I'm just waiting for the number of Palestinian deaths that will cause Kirby to blubber on TV again
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It’s a bit late for that.
Sounds like you're probably more in tune with a lot of this than I am. I am really trying hard not to paint an entire group with a broad brush, again, reflecting on what the Trump presidency was like in the US. That said, certainly seeing a lot to substantiate what you're referencing. Since this is a football forum, just came across this which was pretty shocking to me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/YMxFH5Ijjv
What in the absolute fck reality are we living in right now!?
Stay safe out there. Doesn't do much me saying it but really hope you do
Backlash? A full inquisitions, economic embargo, and full blockade
So heart breaking. I cannot bear to watch the news coverage as it is deeply upsetting. Poor helpless people with no hope for freedom or a future.
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Racists will racist